Who will be President of the United States?

[soshin]

WelI, I think he has failed on his task. Case more or less closed.

I asked the Yi again. This time with the question:

Please characterize Hillary Clinton.

34 no changing lines.

And: Please characterize Donald Trump.

21, 1,3,4. to 52.

While the main problem of Mrs. Clinton seems to be to learn how to use her power wisely, Mr Trump seems to be, well, a person with a more complex task .

Would love to learn from your insights. :bows:

In which position is Mr. Trump now?

29, line 6 moving to 59.



Phew.

God bless America! :bows:

 

[steve]

yes 29.6 gives the idea of someone almost in an illusion, not good for what he should be doing, however its not over yet,

Steve

 

[mirian]

Also, someone who makes mistake after mistake and has no one else to blame but himself.

 

[canislulu]

During this election season I keep thinking of Tim K.'s question in post 111 on this thread in which he asked if there would be a 45th president of the US and received 40.6 --- I think there is going to be a big surprise this year. I do not think that the polls are at all accurate. The system is clearly rigged on a lot of levels. Jill Stein says she would be an "organizer in chief" instead of a "commander in chief". I think if she were to win the election she would transform the role of "president" into something completely different so that in a way the psychic prediction that the 44th president would be the last would be true.
I am connected to a great ground swell of support for her that is not being televised. What worries me is that many left leaning folks who would choose Stein are not connected to the ground swell and are so (understandably) worried about Trump that they are not willing to look at the unpleasant truths about Clinton. If something could unify progressives something wonderful, in my humble opinion, could happen. But I don't things are determined at all at this point.

 

[steve]

These wiki leaks are constantly dripping and they are hurting the campaign and there are plenty more to come, I think Assange thinks his life sways is in the balance if Clinton wins, Clinton on the other hand will have her investigation re-opened if she loses, maybe she might need to choose between freedom and being the president, Its under 30 days so will find out soon, personally i think these emails leaking may take their toll. The only person who could pull the left together i think is Bernie Sanders or maybe Elizabeth Warren. Its really crazy situation however wall street doesnt want Sanders or Warren. I believe its the left who will need to make a decision, the right have a clear path, Trump supporters are very loyal. Some people on the left are starting to see more about what Clinton really stands for. They have really underestimated social media ,

Steve

 

[canislulu]

Yes, social media has been underestimated.There is a reason that corporate media did not allow Jill Stein into the debates. If she got that much coverage she would be a contender for sure. It is interesting that conservative Fox news has given more coverage to Stein than other networks. My mother is a lifelong Republican. She has seen and heard Jill Stein on Fox new which she watched all of the time and she is going to vote for Jill Stein. In a way, Jill Stein is truly offering what some Trump supporters think he will give them, i.e., someone free of the establishment. And I think Stein could unite reasonable voter from the right as well as the left and stop the polarization we have been seeing. There really isn't anything progressive about Clinton who will just give us more politics as usual.

 

[mirian]

There really isn't anything progressive about Clinton who will just give us more politics as usual.

Very interesting interview on BBC radio 4 with a Republican representative saying how the "two-party system" has failed American voters who now feel between a rock and a hard place, having to choose "the lesser of two evils".

I asked the Yi what the American presidency will be like after the Elections.
Hex 49.3.4 > 3

I had in mind the system itself and how the result (either Clinton or Trump) will have an impact on it. So I see this reading as pointing to changes, things will not be quite the same. It looks as this Election is not just a matter of getting someone in the White House and get on with it, business as usual. Things will not be quite the same afterwards. Maybe the "two-party system" days are numbered?

 

[steve]

Will trump win the election 26.1.2.6>15

This is the first time I have asked if Trump will win and I believe that he will according to this reading.
The surprise I think may come from wiki leaks and do the final damage, the left is really hurting from this drip drip of emails and it is taking its toll. When asked about the content of the emails they deflect and say its the Russians. They dont address the content because they cannot.
The other thing is the polls in some of the mainstream media is stating I believe are not accurate. CNN have said that clinton won all three debates easily and that is simply not true. I hear people saying that when they are on the street that do not see clinton flags and bumper stickers although they see trump stuff. You can see the rallys, clinton compared to trump. There are nobody at her rallys compared to his. I am going with Trump according to my reading.

26.6 is very fortunate, lines one and two are his shaky start but I believe he will get the momentum to pull this off. This leads to Hexagram 15
Wilhelm/Baynes: Modesty creates success. The superior man carries things through.

If the reading is correct the left have no-one to blame but themselves. They could have won easily with Sanders. However its not there agenda to be left I believe they are more right in some respects than Trump.

Steve

 

[rosada]

Question:
Will Trump win the election?

Answer:
Modesty creates success.

Hmm... I take that as a "no".

 

[steve]

I know what you mean as you wouldnt call him modest however he has grown more professional in his approach especially in that last debate. Dont get me wrong I am not voting as I am not a citizen, I think neither of them should be running, 26.6 is a pretty nice line. I could be wrong on it, but its the clearest answer i have got so far, so i will run with it.

Steve

 

[Trojina]

If you could just humour me for a moment.....I've some questions not just for you but generally

Will trump win the election 26.1.2.6>15

This is the first time I have asked if Trump will win and I believe that he will according to this reading.

1. This thread is 10 pages long and my impression is this very question has been asked scores of times in this thread, but I've not counted. So you may not have asked but the question has been asked over and over and over again. Is the idea that the latest cast is the one to go by because things have changed since the earlier casts OR do all the earlier casts still 'count' ?

2. Do you think the I Ching would answer this question with no reference to what is beyond the winning bit ? You see if he wins this would be a huge disaster for the world. This man would probably not qualify for any number of basic jobs in the real world due to his racism, sexism and basic gross stupidity. Now if he gets in it's a disaster for the whole world. So my question is around my confusion over if you are just seeing the cast as 'fortunate' for him as a 'winner' or do you see the cast going beyond that to his impact in the world ?

How are you seeing this cast as him winning ? Do you think the I Ching is purely saying he will win whilst not going beyond that into the dreadful consequences if he did ? Imagine if you had asked if Hitler would get into power and you had 35.3 would you simply see that as Yi limiting itself to Hitler's personal success regardless of the fact he was a mass murderer ? I struggle with this concept myself.

Dont get me wrong I am not voting as I am not a citizen, I think neither of them should be running, 26.6 is a pretty nice line

Nice for who ? Just nice for him ? How can that be ? 26.6 treading heavens highway...the greatest good, a line of great power and auspice and you think it can apply to him himself a complete racist ? I find it hard to see Yi like a machine, no heart, emptily neutral....describing success of even a mad racist as 'heavens highway'....



3. And the old chestnut if you just wanted a yes or a no you could toss a coin and get a more definite answer...so what are you really after here ?

So we can all look at your answer and some see it as 'yes' and some see it as 'no' and how does it take us any further forward in any way ? If more and more questions are asked, the same questions, over and over again what are you or anyone learning here ? I don't understand.

To be clear I have absolutely no objection to these repeated questions but I don't understand where it gets you or anyone else ? Are you/we any further forward than at page 1 of this thread ?

 

[steve]

Hi
i havent asked if he would be the president I had been asking always about clinton, I dont see him in the same way some others do and also neither do many people. Personally i find clinton much more scary on a world scale. For a start she has very bad relations with Russia anyway thats politics and people will differ. I just thought I would share the reading as to me it was clear. Like I said I maybe wrong but this is who i believe will win. I have been following this election on You Tube daily sometimes hourly if something happens. i know what you mean in the way of progress, thats why i was giving my final assumption.
I see 26.6 as his achievement at becoming president and his party.

Steve

 

[Trojina]

In fact a useful exercise at this point if anyone had the time or inclination is to table all the reading results from page one of this thread. That is the readings for

1...all the questions asking if Trump will win
2....all the questions asking if Hillary will win
3....all the questions asking who will win

Collate them. See if there's a theme....otherwise aren't there just piles and piles of readings for the same question sitting here. Even with hindsight, when we know who won, how useful will the readings be with hindsight when there are 200 of them on the same question ?

What readings will be remembered or referred to ? The most useful thing I can think of to do is to collate the readings so far...however that would be very time consuming so I'm not volunteering

 

[steve]

As a reference thread its a bit like a maze.

 

[Trojina]

Hi
i havent asked if he would be the president I had been asking always about clinton, I dont see him in the same way some others do and also neither do many people. Personally i find clinton much more scary on a world scale. For a start she has very bad relations with Russia anyway thats politics and people will differ. I just thought I would share the reading as to me it was clear. Like I said I maybe wrong but this is who i believe will win. I have been following this election on You Tube daily sometimes hourly if something happens. i know what you mean in the way of progress, thats why i was giving my final assumption.
I see 26.6 as his achievement at becoming president and his party.

Steve

Achievement ? I struggle with this because I cannot easily separate his personal success from the devastation he would cause if he won. It wouldn't be an achievement it would be a terrible failure for the world surely. Not that Clinton is better but good grief.....

 

[liquidity]

I just asked "Prospects for Trump in the election?" and got 13.2 Fellowship with Men.

The moving line reads: "Fellowship with men in the clan. Humiliation."

I read this as referring to his incestuous relationships with his followers, whom he has converted into a kind of cult. Instead of using them as a base from which to expand, he's just going deeper into encouraging their conspiracy-minded madness.

 

[Trojina]

i havent asked if he would be the president I had been asking always about clinton, I dont see him in the same way some others do and also neither do many people. Personally i find clinton much more scary on a world scale. For a start she has very bad relations with Russia anyway thats politics and people will differ. I just thought I would share the reading as to me it was clear.

I don't think it's a clear reading, at least it's only clear if you just think 26.6 = 'yes'

I'd have a lot more hope for such a sublime line. You cannot argue with heaven's highway, the path is laid out in accordance with the way of heaven. If Donald Trump is that I'm a banana.

I see 26.6 here as a cosmic dustpan and brush sweeping away all before it, including Trump and Clinton ...but then it's not my reading....Miracles can happen, well they stand a good chance in 26.6

 

[diamanda]

In fact a useful exercise at this point if anyone had the time or inclination is to table all the reading results from page one of this thread. That is the readings for

1...all the questions asking if Trump will win
2....all the questions asking if Hillary will win
3....all the questions asking who will win

Collate them. See if there's a theme....otherwise aren't there just piles and piles of readings for the same question sitting here. Even with hindsight, when we know who won, how useful will the readings be with hindsight when there are 200 of them on the same question ?

What readings will be remembered or referred to ? The most useful thing I can think of to do is to collate the readings so far...however that would be very time consuming so I'm not volunteering

Totally agree, great idea.
I'll be that geek - I've just collated everything concerning Clinton and Trump on a table (38 questions in total!) and I'll start another thread, as this one's getting way too long.

 

[Trojina]

Bravo ! It's a big job ! :claps:

 

[diamanda]

New thread with summarised readings: Trump or Clinton?

 

[mirian]

Let me get this right. We are now being told how, when and how often we should ask questions about subjects. So this thread is not an open forum anymore, but rather it is subject to views and decisions of whoever decides to be the regulator.

Thanks, but no thanks.

 

[diamanda]

Mirian I hope you didn't misunderstand me placing all the readings in one (another) place. My only purpose was to have a full picture of all readings on this subject, for anyone interested in looking for patterns/repeated answers etc. As far as I understood, Trojina said that she's not against repeated questions but they sort of get lost in a maze of too many pages. Please feel free to ignore the other thread if it annoys you, I won't get offended

 

[mirian]

That's absolutely fine, thanks Diamanda. No worries :bows:

 

[svenrus]

"I: Give me a picture of the new president of USA".
I: "8-7-7-8-8-7"
So, to me, the answere given by the I is hex. 18
The oldest daughter is arriving and the yongest son is departing.
According to the meaning of the ideogram, hex. 18, Alfred Huang mentions:



" The pictograph of Gu shows three worms in a container. It indicates that in a container not used for a long time worms grow and develop, symbolizing a situation of ruin and decay and a need for remedying and innovating" (1)

What did the I react on ? Hex. 54 (nuclear hexagram) which talks about unification in marriages.

What I see is a picture of a woman taking the struggle on her bag to clean up a lot of mess....

1) A. Huang, Complete I Ching

 

[mholden1969]

Greetings,

I want to thank everyone's responses on this thread. I am so grateful that it received so much attention and the number of insightful, profound responses on it astounds me.
So glad to have been a part of this beautiful discussion.

I also want to apologize for my lack of participation on this thread for the past few months.
I followed Trojina's suggestion and collected all of the questions, but I see Diamanda already did that for you all and I'm happy to see that because it looks much more organized than mine!

However, I also collected questions throughout the thread that weren't necessarily "Trump/Hillary" questions and I would like to post them here.

“Please describe the gender of the next American president.”
Hex 8.3-39 (Page 8)
“Give me a picture of the next president of the USA.”
25.4.6-3 (Page 11)
“Will there be 45th president?”
40.6-64 (Page 12)
With 40.6 --- Could Yi be saying, "Before the election of the 45th president a major elite contender will be "shot down". This will Deliver the country from it's ruling elite system making way for a leader of a more democratic, people-led nature." ?
(quote taken from jumpingmouse's response to Ashteroid)
“Will Obama be the last president?”
64.1-38 (Page 12)
“What is the dao of the US after the 2016 presidential election?”
44.2.3.6-45 (Page 16)
“What is America’s fate in this election?”
58.3.6-1 (Page 17)
“Hilary & Trump- will the next president be one of them?”
24.1.5-8 (Page 17)
“What the American Presidency will be like after the Elections.”
49.3.4-3 (Page 19)

 

[liquidity]

One more: Hillary's electoral prospects?
59.4 Expansion > 6 Stress
"Expansion intimates that there will be progress and success. The king goes to his ancestral temple. It will be advantageous to cross the great stream. It will be advantageous to be firm and correct."
.4: "The fourth line, magnetic, shows its subject scattering the different parties in the state, which leads to great good fortune. From the dispersion she collects again good men standing out, a crowd like a mound, which is what ordinary men would not have thought of."

 

[mholden1969]

I heard somewhere that several psychics from even medieval times (one from Spain I think), predicted that 44th president will be black skinned, but also that he will be the last one.
Some said that he will be assassinated but I don't know .. what's the point.

Maybe something major will happen to USA for real .. and maybe that is what Yi is pointing at.
Just my point of view.

Will there be 45th president ? 40.6 → 64
Killing a hawk on a wall (the ruler ?). Oh my.
But my thoughts were that people will get rid of the whole system of ruling elite/party, gaining freedom and moving towards a real demo-cratic, people-ruling society perhaps.

I read something about Nostradamus predicting Obama as the last President. His readings are open to interpretation but you bring up a very interesting point here.