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Mantras can be used for spiritual growth, working through karma, or to improve life circumstances (or some combination of these).
37.3 is generally a call to take things more seriously. You may think you are taking mantra selection seriously but is it becoming a bit of consumer choice, you want this mantra for this and that mantra for that ? Is this calling your attention to mantra selection as take any selection from the buffet according to taste.
Also maybe Yi has been negative simply because this isn't the best practice for you in the long run.
One does have to choose a mantra, whatever the mechanism. The advice from the mantra teacher that I follow is to seriously consider the range of problems or concerns one has, reflect and use one's intuition, and begin there. Is that "consumer choice"?
37 is a practical, down to earth hexagram - managing a household - so I wonder if Yi's trying to steer you towards more practical mantras? One like, "I will pick up the phone, call friends, and arrange to go out" if you want a better social life, instead of, "I will have a better social life" - see the difference?
I know this doesn't answer your question, but if I were divining this with you, I would want to know more details about a few of these mantras and the negative Yi readings you got about them. Could it be that the Yi was only offering some cautions or suggestions for how to use these mantras, but it wasn't rejecting them outright? Just wondering.But whenever I chose a mantra for my discipline and ran it past the I Ching, the answer was always negative, saying it was the wrong course of action.
So is 37.3, saying your way of going about selecting your mantra is the problem? Maybe too general? 42. Increase says, "Blessings in having a direction to go" so maybe you need a specific direction, be more specific about what it is you're wanting the mantra for?
Perhaps you'd get benefit from asking the I Ching what your mantra should be.
It just maybe that selecting the right mantra is not something we can 37.3 play around with and figure out how to do on our own.
Freeda, those are interesting thoughts. I do tend to view my own readings in a harsher light than those of others. I will give you a couple examples below that I had investigated over some days - let me know if I am being too negative in my views.I know this doesn't answer your question, but if I were divining this with you, I would want to know more details about a few of these mantras and the negative Yi readings you got about them. Could it be that the Yi was only offering some cautions or suggestions for how to use these mantras, but it wasn't rejecting them outright? Just wondering.
And as to your current reading, could it be suggesting that you just need to be more persistent in your mantra quest /search - e.g. rewarding the women's persistence (sort of like Edison trying a thousand times to find the right filament for the light bulb). And also that there is a balance you need to consider - to be thorough in your search for a mantra, but not so much so that it becomes a harsh and mocking exercise.
Thanks for your reply. As with any healing art or activity, they often dredge up old patterns, wounds (mental, emotional and physical), and places where we or are energy is stuck ... that seems to be part of the healing process, and I'd expect that using a mantra might be no different.Will this Mars mantra benefit my health? 1.3->10 (I took this to mean as possibly playing with fire.)
Will Mercury mantra benefit my health? 61.3->9 (Too wavering, not enough commitment, no tangible results.)
As to your Edison comment, perhaps you are right! Though it will be a massive task - the Vedas contain literally millions of mantras
Thanks for your reply. As with any healing art or activity, they often dredge up old patterns, wounds (mental, emotional and physical), and places where we or are energy is stuck ... that seems to be part of the healing process, and I'd expect that using a mantra might be no different.
So, I don't see negative messages here, but maybe just a few 'heads up' and a bit more info about these mantras. And as always, the proof of the pudding is in the tasting - I'd don't see anything here that is telling you to not try these mantras and see how they work - for you.
Yes, we can be our own worst enemy sometimes, which might be part of the reasons someone came up with the Yi!Thank you, Freeda. You've given me a lot of food for thought here, as well as a more nuanced and compassionate approach to this elusive topic. I appreciate you.
Will this Mars mantra benefit my health? 1.3->10 (I took this to mean as possibly playing with fire.)
Will Mercury mantra benefit my health? 61.3->9 (Too wavering, not enough commitment, no tangible results.)
Will I benefit from this [health-related] mantra? 45.3->31 (No benefit for an undertaking.)
That is possible, I suppose. I had cast an earlier reading for the question "Should I use mantra for self-improvement at this time?" And received 30.5->13 (Wilhelm: "Tears in floods, sighing and lamenting. Good fortune."). This I took to be generally encouraging for growth through difficulty or discipline.
Will this Mars mantra benefit my health? 1.3->10 (I took this to mean as possibly playing with fire.)
Will Mercury mantra benefit my health? 61.3->9 (Too wavering, not enough commitment, no tangible results.)
Will I benefit from this [health-related] mantra? 45.3->31 (No benefit for an undertaking.)
as I know them, my TM mantra for example is a sound that has no meaning, it wouldn't work if it carried associations of meaning. In TM as taught by Maharishi it's a sound deemed suitable for one's nervous system, one that charms the mind away from thoughts and into the level of pure awareness.
Om Braam Breem Braum Sah Budhay Namah
It seems you are making quite a few assumptions here that might not be true and might not relate to this person's reading:I've been learning Vedic Astrology ... and I've had a similar experience with gems. When asking about ... gemstones I always got negative answers .... the respective gems for it were not given good marks by the Yi.
Growing up as a Hindu my perception of how Mantras function vs how I've seen some westerners use them is ... different. Perhaps your teacher might be a little too liberal with using them (I'm assuming they're white)? ....
Don't mean to denigrate non-Indians for pursuing these practices. One of the weirder experiences ... was being chastised by a white-American Vedic Astrology teacher about observing strict rules when she had pretty poor Sanskrit pronunciation herself ....
... if you don't have much experience outside of Romance language / Anglic phonetics then Mantras might not be as beneficial to you. Practitioners often emphasize strict pronunciation ....
What does that sentence say ?
'Om' is a suitable mantra for those living as recluses, but it is harmful to people living ordinary lives as it takes their attention off their worldly duties. That's what Maharishi said anyway.
First, it was Indian Hindu / Vedic teachers who first introduced us 'white folk' to mantras, so if they don't work for us because we don't have proper pronunciation, then why did these teachers introduce Mantras to us in the first place?
Was it just to make money off of us?
And what does a westerner's improper pronunciation have to do with their spiritual understanding?
And if you go around massacring the pronunciation of Chinese words - as I likely do on a regular basis - does that mean that neither of us should be using the Yi?
Also, as I suggested above, maybe Ninagr's readings weren't really 'negative' - as in 'you shouldn't use this', but maybe they were saying, 'this mantra will be good for healing your emotions, but it will also stir some sh_t up, so be forewarned'.
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