Energy, focus, positive space...

iams girl · Jan 7, 2014

These have been really great for me for more energy, focus, and a sense of positive space and thought I'd share them to start the new year:

Clean energy sounds: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fcR4vIRNLeE

3 hours meditation/yoga (but great for anything): http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=suW_Fhv9wPU

The best wind chimes ever: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uSqHrZgiwRM

:bows: Iams girl

iams girl · Jan 19, 2014

Think I'd like to add:

Don't know much about chakras, but do feel these vibes in the different centers, great for releasing tension empaths tend to take on: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=R_mjh0K4nEM

Best healing running creek water: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8QiOAM1FquQ

Anyone care to add favorites that soothe a soul on the weary Way? Feel free to add...

iams girl :bows:

Trojina · Mar 8, 2014

This thread http://www.onlineclarity.co.uk/friends/showthread.php?18308-Quagmire and others have made me wonder if it's a good idea to have a place, a thread, for everyone's ideas about how to feel better when you feel down and totally crap. Then I recalled iams girl's thread here more or less has that intent doesn't it iams girl ?

So am boosting it to top of pile in particular in response to the 'Quagmire' thread from Wisewoman where I have been bossily instructing her to meditate less and wash her dog and tidy her room.

Everyone can probably remember things they did or heard or read that helped them climb out of a hole so maybe this is a good thread to share so that it might help others down in the depths.

Sometimes it isn't a particular thing that brings you out of the hole, it can just be a moment...like the sun coming out, that changes everything. Maybe if anyone has stories to share of how they found their way out of times like Wisewoman describes, it could be a useful resource thread which is what I think iams girl intended it as ?

Trojina · Mar 8, 2014

This is from the quagmire thread from wisewoman

she said

I am in the middle of nightmare, in the middle of the night, (4.37am) the Sage just drops in and out, I feel the villain and the hero, and am not sure quite which trajectory is in possession of me. So, I rest my case once again. Confused, frustrated, frightened, stuck in paradox with no companions, of double mindedness, my head soaked, my axle broke, and now cut off at the bottom of this post.....and the reality is actually no one is there, no one cares, there ain't no mum and there ain't no Jesus to save me. Friendly universe anyone?

Hence this thread is pretty much anti quagmire , anti 'you are alone in the universe' and anti all nasty muddy holes where goblins trick you into despair.

Art work, poems, practical tips and experiences, and all that iams girl intended, can hopefully cook up a nourishing stew for the quagmire bound ?

Trojina · Mar 8, 2014

first quoting myself :blush:

because I think it's important , especially for newbies to know, if readings send you into hell and heaven. Others have said this before so am just repeating.

I also wanted to say, since I recognise how readings might send you into tailspin is to recognise the 'voice' we hear the answer in is the voice of our own Super Ego...or like the internalised voice of our parents.

If we have strict, critical or unforgiving parents then we are going to hear the voice of Yi that way since we kind of subconsciously hand authority to Yi. So when answers send you into despair or elation, just calm down and remember what you 'hear' is not always what Yi says.

An experience I have related many times that bought this home to me was with 62.1...'small bird flying to high'. One day a long time ago I cast 62.1 and took it as blame, as implying arrogance on my part and so on . Later (whilst cleaning) I heard a line from a song that was on the radio and suddenly I heard the 'voice' of 62.1 a whole new way . It was a Donovan song, the line was "Take care how you fly my precious, you might fall down." and it was sung tenderly....and I realised the message could be tender even in seemingly harsh answers.

So maybe when you next get a harsh answer or an answer that seems a judgement on you try to put those words into the mouth of someone who only cares for you. Then you might hear it differently.

The problems you are having is that you are hearing all of Yi's judgements through the filter of your own expectations of judgements and non acceptance and so on. Maybe try to make each answer sound kind in intent.

Hehe may be a challenge with 29.6......but if 62.1 can be a tender and kind message then maybe they all can ?

Liselle · Mar 8, 2014

trojan said:
So maybe when you next get a harsh answer or an answer that seems a judgement on you try to put those words into the mouth of someone who only cares for you. Then you might hear it differently.

Very helpful suggestion, thank you!

Two lines off the top of my head that usually seem that way to me are 22.1 (yelling at me disdainfully for wanting any help) and 24.6 ("You have really messed this up and there is no hope, ever, and you are doomed.") I rarely can muster a productive thought after getting those lines.

I suppose the trick would be to recognize when the I Ching is being kinder than it sounds[SUP]*[/SUP], and when you actually are being yelled at for some good reason. Sometimes we really do need the yelling. Probably

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[sup]*[/sup] A recent 22.1 example: I was having some trouble deciding how to order something online. 22.1 was not yelling. It was merely making the helpful suggestion that I start entering a "dummy" order, to manually walk through the process. Actually doing it, in a 22.1 way, enabled me to see the problem for myself, and then I could narrow down a solution. Thinking/fretting/asking about it (abstractly) would have been less efficient and maybe not useful at all.

anemos · Mar 8, 2014

Doodles like the pic below is for me a good way to relax and it doesn't leave much space for thinking if you choose to do something more complicate .

You only need a pen and a piece of paper and there are plenty sites you can find instructions .

anemos · Mar 8, 2014

anemos · Mar 8, 2014

Oh , and if you feel like cleaning the system - asemic writing its a fulfilling way.

a detail of a venting "session" - Venting with an elegant way

Guilt free venting !!!

Liselle · Mar 8, 2014

Anemos, those doodles are magnificent! (Doodling like that is real art, not "just" doodling. Look at the giraffe's eyes. Perfect.)

iams girl · Mar 8, 2014

trojan said:
Sometimes it isn't a particular thing that brings you out of the hole, it can just be a moment...like the sun coming out, that changes everything. Maybe if anyone has stories to share of how they found their way out of times like Wisewoman describes, it could be a useful resource thread which is what I think iams girl intended it as ?

Why yes, Trojan, thank you...a healing stream perhaps...:bows:

iams girl · Mar 8, 2014

iams girl said:
Clean energy sounds: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GSPA6hewfp0

Actually, I see this first one had copyright problems. Would it be possible to get permission to edit it or would a moderator please change it to the original I found here?: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fcR4vIRNLeE

anemos · Mar 8, 2014

lisa said:
Anemos, those doodles are magnificent! (Doodling like that is real art, not "just" doodling. Look at the giraffe's eyes. Perfect.)

Isn't it ? it needs a lot of patient to do that. There are beautiful creations if you google it .

I suggested doodles because I really used them some time ago when i needed to dive in something difficult. Didn't feel like doing painting so i choose doodles and made a image I needed to get out of my system. It really worked.

mandalas most of the times to me work the other way around; when its not clear what bothers me and try understand what is going on in this scalp its a good tool for digging . Not always tho, can be relaxing too

Liselle · Mar 8, 2014

Iams Girl, I believe the best way to make sure a moderator sees a request is to use the "Report Post" button (the exclamation point inside a triangle, at the bottom of the post next to the Thanks button). That button is not just for reporting "bad" posts that need moderation. It can also be used for requesting threads be moved to the proper forum and so forth.

So, you might want to use that button on your original post. When you click on it, you'll get a box in which you can explain your request. You could write out exactly the edit you'd like the moderator to make (if they can't set it to allow you to edit it yourself, which I don't know about).

Trojina · Mar 8, 2014

I have a mandala colouring book...it's the kind of colouring book you have as a child except it's for grown ups. I think colouring in patterns is therapeutic especially of mandalas since mandalas are said to create order in the mind.

Like this book http://www.amazon.com/Mystical-Mandala-Coloring-Dover-Design/dp/0486456943

or I guess you can draw your own. There is something soothing about colouring in when you have impossible stuff on your mind. I have heard it said tracing a mandala with your finger is just like taking your mind for a walk.

Anyway I recommend a box of bright felt tips or crayons and a colouring book for days when your mind has crashed. This can be especially therapeutic whilst something mindless and harmless is on TV. Nature programmes are good...well they aren't mindless but you know what I mean

You can be furiously distracted and still be colouring in mandalas and it helps you think in the way sometimes driving helps you think or sitting in cafes. It's as if a certain level of the right kind of noise or activity is soothing to the mind.

Recently my nephew had a radio station on with nothing but the sound of vaccum cleaners and washing machines. He said it was soothing background noise.

Trojina · Mar 8, 2014

I found this through one of iams original links...it goes on for 8 hours..

[video=youtube;2G8LAiHSCAs]http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_detailpage&v=2G8LAiHSCAs#t=6[/video]

Trojina · Mar 8, 2014

Two lines off the top of my head that usually seem that way to me are 22.1 (yelling at me disdainfully for wanting any help) and 24.6 ("You have really messed this up and there is no hope, ever, and you are doomed.") I rarely can muster a productive thought after getting those lines.

Though for 22.1 Yi only says something like "he leaves his carriage and walks", it's Wilhelm and other commentators that make out it's about not using shortcuts. I think it is about going the easy way since walking is actually simpler than catching buses and trains.

Re 24.6, I think I wrote about examples of that in wiki. I have only ever found it to describe a plain fact of something being too late to restore. It's too late to rectify something so don't try. I've seen it always in situations where there is or can be no judgement..If it is too late to restore something to how it was then it's too late. That doesn't mean you messed anything up, it can just be a neutral statement of fact. I have seen it a few times near the end of someone's life. They didn't 'mess up' but it would be daft to imagine all was recoverable. Don't worry I have seen it in other scenarios too.

iams girl · Mar 8, 2014

anemos said:
I suggested doodles because I really used them some time ago when i needed to dive in something difficult. Didn't feel like doing painting so i choose doodles and made a image I needed to get out of my system. It really worked.

mandalas most of the times to me work the other way around; when its not clear what bothers me and try understand what is going on in this scalp its a good tool for digging . Not always tho, can be relaxing too

I never heard of doodles or asemic writing before, they are a beautiful way of "letting go." Thank you for the explanation about the difference between doodles and mandalas.

sooo · Mar 8, 2014

anemos said:

Either the giraffe has been eating funny mushrooms or I have. Or maybe I am the giraffe or he or she is me. Either way, it's a groovy day.

sooo · Mar 8, 2014

Funny how different people see certain lines differently. 22.1 always gives me a sense of release and freedom. I can leave behind any sense of office, prestige, status or obligation to fulfill anyone's expectation (all associated with riding in a carriage at that time), and just move along on my own two feet at my own pace and free will. It gives me autonomy; something which the rich and famous can seldom enjoy.

Liselle · Mar 8, 2014

trojan said:
I think it is about going the easy way since walking is actually simpler than catching buses and trains.

sooo said:
Funny how different people see certain lines differently. 22.1 always gives me a sense of release and freedom.

It never once occurred to me to think of 22.1 the way you (Sooo) and Trojan are explaining it, lol. I always just saw it as being lectured, which, as Trojan said, may be from paying too much attention to commentaries.

So I really appreciate you both mentioning this

. I can see how it makes sense, and it fits the order form example.

24.6, on the other hand - pretty much my least favorite line to get in the whole I Ching. Instant terror. I can see what you're saying, Trojan, that just because something is unrecoverable doesn't mean it's anyone's fault, end of life being a good example. But, maybe because of the kinds of questions I tend to ask, if I care about something enough to ask about it, the very last thing I want to hear is "calamity," "blunder," "defeat," "disaster," and "ten years, incapable of marching out." The actual words of the I Ching seem very dire in this line (in 22.1 they're really not, as you pointed out).

But, it is very good to know it's not always that way. Will have to look through my 24.6 readings and see what phantom catastrophes I may have invented. And it gives me (and anyone else who hasn't seen a different side of 24.6) an alternative to think about the next time it's in a reading :claps:.

anemos · Mar 8, 2014

iams girl said:
I never heard of doodles or asemic writing before, they are a beautiful way of "letting go." Thank you for the explanation about the difference between doodles and mandalas.

they are natural tranquilizers

btw, I agree with what trojan said about coloring mandalas. Just, for me, when I draw my own , most of the times I lose my sleep.

sooo said:
Either the giraffe has been eating funny mushrooms or I have. Or maybe I am the giraffe or he or she is me. Either way, it's a groovy day.

it works !!!

anemos · Mar 8, 2014

lisa said:
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24.6, on the other hand - pretty much my least favorite line to get in the whole I Ching. Instant terror. I can see what you're saying, Trojan, that just because something is unrecoverable doesn't mean it's anyone's fault, end of life being a good example. But, maybe because of the kinds of questions I tend to ask, if I care about something enough to ask about it, the very last thing I want to hear is "calamity," "blunder," "defeat," "disaster," and "ten years, incapable of marching out." The actual words of the I Ching seem very dire in this line (in 22.1 they're really not, as you pointed out).

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I can't say that I haven't felt that terror, lol. Its " OMG, what is going to happen ?!!! " But sometimes its not that bad. It works as a "pause" to think twice before losing an opportunity. I got it once for a not very serious thing and i thought " why so much drama". When I had to face the certain situation there was a possibility for something harmful to happen but it didn't so in that case for me was a hint not to lose a nourishing experience.

sooo · Mar 8, 2014

Lisa.

Most every time, I've seen 24.6 play out as a self-fulfilling prophecy due to obstinacy in a refusal to compromise or to reconsider ones obstinate position.

The antidote is as plain as the nose on ones face in the relating/changing hexagram, and in particular, the realization of the fan yao: 27.6, to give something, often times a voice to the other or others. That is all it would take to return to the original enthusiasm and purpose.

But once that is passed up, not considered or rejected, it's all over but the shoutin'.

iams girl · Mar 9, 2014

lisa said:
Iams Girl, I believe the best way to make sure a moderator sees a request is to use the "Report Post" button (the exclamation point inside a triangle, at the bottom of the post next to the Thanks button). That button is not just for reporting "bad" posts that need moderation. It can also be used for requesting threads be moved to the proper forum and so forth.

So, you might want to use that button on your original post. When you click on it, you'll get a box in which you can explain your request. You could write out exactly the edit you'd like the moderator to make (if they can't set it to allow you to edit it yourself, which I don't know about).

It worked, Lisa, thank you!

anemos · Mar 9, 2014

sooo said:
Most every time, I've seen 24.6 play out as a self-fulfilling prophecy due to obstinacy in a refusal to compromise or to reconsider ones obstinate position.

Can you elaborate it please? I'm asking that because in the incident I share I think I acted in a very stubborn way and refused to adapt to the reality of the situation; the danger was real and if an accident would happened I was throwing out of the window a medical treatment and the many-months effort to rehab. That was the voice of reason that ignored in a very stubborn way because there was an object of desire that to me was Nourishment and my natural way to heal myself -through art.

I can't agree more to that :

to give something, often times a voice to the other or others.

I've experienced that in the most literal way. Since I couldn't go to the place an art seminar was held someone escorted me. She was the voice of reason I mentioned before, but she was speaking to closed ears :lalala:

. Her words were dragging me down and she kept saying who stubbornly i was behaving.I refused to hear them although I too knew the consequences. Maybe Yi was telling me to just give up and return home., was a thought in my mind before deciding to go for it.

And then there was the teacher whose words echoed my inner need - he knew (without explain him) why I need it so much ( its exactly the subject of this thread). So maybe the stubbornness was just a determination to get to that was nourishing for me and that there was something else in my mind that the reading prevent its manifestation. Maybe , if I hadn't ask and get this line, facing this obstacle would have just quit .

Your remark about self-fulling prophesy makes me wonder if that was the real warning and not that an accident might happen. It gives another spinning to the reading. Yet, not sure I comprehend it correctly - the quoted part, so It will be much appreciated for all of us, i want to believe, for those times we get this line.

Sorry to the rest of you for insisting on this line, but I feel is central to this thread because the underlining choice is to decide what it nourish us and what consume us .

Trojina · Mar 9, 2014

Sorry to the rest of you for insisting on this line, but I feel is central to this thread because the underlining choice is to decide what it nourish us and what consume us .

Well there will be as many ways to experience 24.6 as there are people. It could well mean one does not hear in time....infact it generally does, but even then that's life and a lot of regret does not much to help. One learns and moves on.

My examples from readings.

1.I asked if my partner would ever return to work maybe about 1 year or less before he died. Got 24.6 well no he couldn't resume a working life as his health was not going to return to normal. I could sit about cursing him for not caring for his health more but then again it's his life, his choice and everyone has gotta die sometime.

2. I asked how to pay off a lot of debt and got 24.1.6>23. Well it was too late to find ways to pay it off, not possible. So I took a form a form of bankruptcy. I could sit and curse myself for the mistake of amassing debt but actually bankruptcy was an option I was happy to take and a new start.

So it can be both you don't hear in time and it takes some time to recover and also I think that often recovery is not possible. Sometimes recovery is not possible. There has to be a line for that. Following 'unrecoverable' is inevitably a new start.

Often I think it's the 'damage is done, don't try to return to a previous state of wholeness, let this go, let it collapse as it surely will. That is your experience'.

It might sometimes be a warning "if you do this it won't be recoverable to turn back from" although I have never personally seen it that way yet."

In hindsight it was probably a mistake of mine to bring this into this thread because instead of being an uplifting thread, by bring readings in, it will be another thread of people arguing about interpretations....and we already have lots of those don't we ? I was hoping we could offer the more of the nourishing non judgmental aspects of those nasty looking lines.....since the thread is aimed at the nourishing of the times where people feel really low, rock bottom. More judgement doesn't help then does it.

Ah I was saying it was a mistake for me to invite discussion of those seemingly disastrous lines here...and then I found I didn't invite it I only said this

So maybe when you next get a harsh answer or an answer that seems a judgement on you try to put those words into the mouth of someone who only cares for you. Then you might hear it differently.

Maybe another thread for discussion of disastrous looking lines ? Maybe, maybe not ? I just hope we don't get back to quagmire in this particular thread

Oh here is a 24.6 thread I recall. I appreciated Hilary's input on it

http://www.onlineclarity.co.uk/friends/showthread.php?17857-Upcoming-chemotherapy-gt-24-6

she said of 24.6 in that example

hilary

Virginie, I'm so sorry you and your Dad are going through this. I don't know what your reading means in medical terms, but I can see one aspect of it that might be useful: the warning against 'mobilising armies'. There's lots of rhetoric about 'fighting' cancer - which is all very well, but what if life gets turned into one huge fight that devours all your energy and resources? What's left?

So... I think the reading nudges you away from the 'fight it with all you have and all you are!' mindset and towards a bit more relaxation, a bit more space for simple enjoyment of life. Life isn't meant to be a military campaign.

I don't think she is suggesting Virginie's father kicks himself for his obstinacy do you ?

Do we need a new thread for 24.6 ?

Great ideas about the different ways doodling and mandala affect the mind BTW

anemos · Mar 9, 2014

trojan said:
Maybe another thread for discussion of disastrous looking lines ?

yeah, maybe it better to open such a thread - no urgent tho.

back to the subject.

My new addiction is bookbinding. I had a pile of notes and i don't like the xerox shop's binding so I'm making my own. I'm crafting my first one

Besides the drama I'm facing at the moment i.e waiting for the glue to dry :hissy:

its so relaxing !!!! Keeps hands and mind busy and its cleaning at the same time. If the result is not embarrassing I might post a pic or two.

sooo · Mar 9, 2014

anemos said:
Can you elaborate it please? I'm asking that because in the incident I share I think I acted in a very stubborn way and refused to adapt to the reality of the situation; the danger was real and if an accident would happened I was throwing out of the window a medical treatment and the many-months effort to rehab. That was the voice of reason that ignored in a very stubborn way because there was an object of desire that to me was Nourishment and my natural way to heal myself -through art.

I can't agree more to that :

I've experienced that in the most literal way. Since I couldn't go to the place an art seminar was held someone escorted me. She was the voice of reason I mentioned before, but she was speaking to closed ears . Her words were dragging me down and she kept saying who stubbornly i was behaving.I refused to hear them although I too knew the consequences. Maybe Yi was telling me to just give up and return home., was a thought in my mind before deciding to go for it.

And then there was the teacher whose words echoed my inner need - he knew (without explain him) why I need it so much ( its exactly the subject of this thread). So maybe the stubbornness was just a determination to get to that was nourishing for me and that there was something else in my mind that the reading prevent its manifestation. Maybe , if I hadn't ask and get this line, facing this obstacle would have just quit .

Your remark about self-fulling prophesy makes me wonder if that was the real warning and not that an accident might happen. It gives another spinning to the reading. Yet, not sure I comprehend it correctly - the quoted part, so It will be much appreciated for all of us, i want to believe, for those times we get this line.

Sorry to the rest of you for insisting on this line, but I feel is central to this thread because the underlining choice is to decide what it nourish us and what consume us .

Well, there was a landmark incident which alerted me to this phenomenon, some 40 years ago, and I'd since witnessed this same dynamic accompany this line repeatedly, in some way or another, most of the time with myself being the obstinate one, who, in spite of knowing that nourishment was my heart's desire, instead was blinded by my will or self-serving ambition, rather than tending to the nourishment of the whole project, and opening up to the creative input of others involved.

The specific incident I had in mind was the breakup of a band, whose leader refused to give an inch to what we other band members had been suggesting during the one year of dedication to create the ‘perfect demo’ of original songs. He was so sure of himself and his direction the entire time until his frustration became overpowering. As a best friend and fellow I Chinger, he received 24.6, and with a great display of displeasure decided then and there that “we” had missed our chance and that it was over. To use his exact words, "We're all just masturbating!" Frankly, I was relieved that this 'my way or the highway' attitude of his had finally reached an end.

I continued on alone and sometimes gigging with the bass player, and made great leaps of progress in the two years that followed, while he grudgingly frowned on the whole experience. If only he’d have given Jim and I a say in the band’s approach, we wouldn’t have reached that ‘my way or the highway’ determination and obstinate refusal to try to nourish the effort and the others in the band by not insisting he knew better 100% of the time. But being so stubborn and strong willed, there was no reasoning with him. Jim was an Aquarius, enormously creative, had great ideas, and I wrote and sang most of the songs, but we had decided in the beginning we’d need one voice to determine what was best, in order to avoid conflicts, So I blame myself too for allowing that one sided control, but I never imagined it would become a dictatorship. At any rate, that particular effort passed up any hope of returning to our our original optimism and enthusiasm, which was the nourishing force behind the project in the first place. Without that, we were just going through the motions, masturbating, as he put it.

Not every incident of 24.6 which followed was as dramatic as that, but they all had the same basic premise of being in control regardless of the outcome, and in that sense was a self-fulfilling prophecy. In every case I can recall, it wasn't necessary, if only the nourishment and willing enthusiasm of the whole and being open to the input of others were taken into consideration.

sooo · Mar 9, 2014

PS: I also think Hilary's comment was right on the mark.

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