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From the spiritual point of view, I’ve heard some people talk about ascended masters, subtle spirits, or entities, which the I Ching provides with a way by which the are able to talk to us, I’ve even heard some others refer to the I Ching as an actual concrete entity.
I like Carl Jung’s hypothesis that the hexagram resulting from the casting of the coins or the sticks is characteristic of the moment and therefore it tell us something about the moment, from a synchronistic point of view.
What are some of your ideas or experiences regarding the two above points of view?
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tarkus
I am generally a little more into the spiritual aspects of the I Ching than most people. I consider it first and foremost a spiritual guide which helps us to see ourselves. I don't just believe, I know, beyond any doubt, that there is a spiritual guidance taking place when we consult the I Ching.
I’ve heard some people talk about ascended masters
I know there are some who disagree with this. That is okay, they will find out in time.
Someone asked a similar question recently here where you may see various views
http://www.onlineclarity.co.uk/friends/showthread.php?22262-Just-what-is-the-I-Ching&highlight=jung
My view is Yi is an Oracle and Oracles are openings like wells. Through these openings one can draw on sustenance, wisdom and guidance. Some wells are clear and the water is pure, other wells less so. My sense is the I Ching is very much a good working well who's water gets more and more accessible thanks to the efforts and generosity of dedicated scholars and all those who sincerely engage with it.
I had the idea Jung, in his Foreword to Wilhelm's book, had written he had received 48 when asking Yi about itself. Scanning through my ragged copy it looks like it wasn't 48 but 50 .....but anyway to my mind asking the I Ching is like approaching an opening such as a well and of course there may be many occasions where the bucket leaks or the rope breaks !
But what is this opening an opening to exactly ? Everyone has their own ideas. My current conceptualisation of it is that it is an opening to a greater intelligence which can seem to be both within and outside of us, a universal intelligence if you like and yet even though universal appears to have it's own Oracular character. Can oracles have characters ? I tend to think so. For me consulting the Tarot feels absolutely nothing like consulting the I Ching and it's nothing like consulting with angel cards or anything like that. Most who have consulted for some time get a sense of this character as being both sharp with an acerbic humour but also deeply compassionate, endlessly patient and also playful. I even think we can come to love the character of the I Ching. I think I do and those who have a different view would think that silly but love is binding and I do find once a person connects with the I Ching they stay bound up with it in one way or another and if that isn't something to do with love I don't know what is. For this reason I hypothesise our answers actually come from love.
We are on the verge of the age of the Singularity, a time when we will indeed unite with the 'soul of the machine'.
Is that a glimpse into your transhumanist belief?
Me too. My suggestion is, be careful around people who talk about themselves as ascended masters. Case in point:
And my reaction whenever someone tells me how we all "MUST" use the Yijing is to run.
Anyhow if you want to know who you're speaking to, why not ask the oracle itself?
(Just popped in to read Trojina's thoughts on this; she usually has thought-provoking things to say. Sorry, carry on.)
Someone asked a similar question recently here where you may see various views
http://www.onlineclarity.co.uk/friends/showthread.php?22262-Just-what-is-the-I-Ching&highlight=jung
For me consulting the Tarot feels absolutely nothing like consulting the I Ching and it's nothing like consulting with angel cards or anything like that. Most who have consulted for some time get a sense of this character as being both sharp with an acerbic humour but also deeply compassionate, endlessly patient and also playful.
Could you please describe a bit the experience of consulting the Tarot (or some practice) compared with the I Ching?
Best,
tarkus
Most who have consulted for some time get a sense of this character as being both sharp with an acerbic humour but also deeply compassionate, endlessly patient and also playful. I even think we can come to love the character of the I Ching. .
You were asking for our personal thoughts about 'who' we are consulting when we consult Yi so what I meant was I get a sense of connection to the I Ching when I consult which does not occur for me with Tarot. I wrote of oracles being openings. Well my personal view is the opening that is the I Ching is more true, more present than Tarot and such which I find easily suggestible, more open to deception...well certainly more open to self deception as Rosada mentioned. When consulting Tarot cards I have no sense of presence, of being to connect with, which I do with the I Ching. That's just my feeling on it though, I'm not stating it as a fact because it cannot be a fact...but you asked for our personal thoughts.
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