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One builds up one's relationship with the ching - it is personal and as Meng says that in itself can have effects that knock on.
This is a tough area, confusing to me at least, and easy to ask the wrong question from a perspective that will only compound confusion. So, thought I'd enquire further what Jesed's perception was on asking relationship questions and along the way ask about whatever Meng had said, and recommendations from anybody else who is a past master of this area and can chime in. Thankx, Arabella
Maybe Lucia and Jesed will come on here and clarify what they were saying about relationship readings, if they can remember!
I think you've hit on a big point here. You're own sense of morality, fair play, whatever you want to call it, is certainly going to steer where you go with responses and maybe predict how much you derive from the IChing's guidance.
The "general diagnosis" casting said that in the beginning we really didn't like one another. Which is absolutely true. Just as a start, interesting this came through clearly.
Thanks Luis, brilliant recommendation and I'll read through carefully now what I have here. Maybe anyone else interested in trying Jesed's method could give their comments too.
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I'd like to add, without wishing to start any new flame wars, that this is what separates "Yijing advise" from "fortunetelling". One must find a way to "dialogue" with the Yi, on a personal basis, to find, by oneself, the right answers.
Hello Neegula, my original thought was...
Now here's another basic question I suppose, and could be about relationship readings, or any others certainly. That is, whether all readings "expire" or whether some are for all time. I've heard both points of view. One the sort of "chaos theory" version that butterflies moving their wings can be viewed as an "event" that changes elements of probability endlessly. And then there's the school that says, particularly judgment readings NEVER change. That is, this is the view for all time.
From what I know empirically, a reading that lasts endlessly is impossible. And even as I continued with the castings I've just done for this relationship, something changed and I could see what the casting had been saying was the "future"! And I believe it's already happened. So, based on what I'm seeing, Jesed's "future" can be an hour from now, not months or years. However, that having been said, there are those that advertise IChing readings as a "permanent" answer and would argue I'm reading something wrong.
This relates back to other parts of the relationship casting as well; that is, when one element changes in a relationship, do you redo all of Jesed's diagnostics to see "Where are we now?" And, when we're asking about the "future" view for a relationship as Jesed suggests, does the time factor vary in every case and mine just happened to be in one hour from now? New can of worms, I realise. And maybe one only he can answer.
Hello Luis,
Just like to say thanks for your 'pond' analogy - very applicable and helpful. Could it be taken further, perhaps, by visualising a primary, universal wave form upon which our individual ripples are super-imposed. That is, a universal process of change and flux with which our individual causality interacts. The closer our actions are to the universal source, the more our ripples will be congruent and in phase with this universal process; when our actions are detached and distant from this process then we create diffraction, wave-interference and a multiplicity of 'forking paths.' Add to this the compound effect of other people's karmic waves intersecting with our own and you have the potential for non-deterministic chaos. But, and here our views might differ, even within chaos there can emerge underlying patterns and, arguably, patterns of patterns that reduce all processes back to the underlying universal flux - ie. they are immanent within it.
I suspect that the I Ching super-imposes our individual wave potentials upon this broader universal flux and describes back to us the likely resultant pattern. In this broad sense it is predictive - but only by implication. In directing our path it implicitly allows for certain future events and implicitly excludes others. It is, from my personal experience so far, primarily path-specific rather than event-specific, that is, it seeks primarily to guide our individual growth and development rather than simply act as a predictive tool. Other methods, such as Plum Blossom Numerology, are designed to be more specifically predictive but offer no moral guidance whatsoever.
Any guidance we give to others can only be to help them identify and understand the 'patterns' they receive from the I Ching - to recognise, if you like, the 'segmental arc of probability' that you describe so well. Within that arc we are shown potential events, any one of which we can choose to collapse into a causal actuality. I see this as a balanced interplay between free-will and determinism. We are often faced with unavoidable karmic situations but we often have a free choice as to how we respond to them. Peter
Hello Topal and Arabella,
Many thanks for your comments. The mechanism by which the I Ching functions is not an easy one to fathom. The best attempt so far appears to be Jung's theory of Synchronicity - an acausal connecting principle between psyche - mind, and physis - material phenomena. Jung proposed an intrinsically meaningful symbolic structure within physical phenomena that corresponds to the structure of mind. At the deepest levels of the unconscious exists what he termed the 'psychoid' archetypal level, in which mind and matter co-exist as one unified field or essence. This is, arguably, the sub-atomic level at which quantum physicists observe anomalies, such as seen in the dual-slit experiment and the EPR paradox, produced by the collapsing of potential states into causal events when subjected to conscious observation.
From the subliminal level of this unified field there emerge the two corresponding orders, Physis (Yin) and Psyche (Yang) in a kind of balanced equilibrium and it is the correlation between them that produces the phenomenon that is synchronicity. It is, IMHO, important to understand that synchronicity does not occur directly between our thoughts and the I Ching. Rather, it occurs between our thoughts and the physical symbolism that we create when we make a reading - ie: the pattern of coins, yarrow sticks, cards etc. The I Ching translates the symbolic meaning of this pattern into a structured system of interpretation.
The key to understanding Jung's theory is, I feel, in grasping the concept that matter and consciousness are two sides of the one reality. They are in an immediate, reciprocal relationship with each other - and that is what we witness every time we see the coins fall 'miraculously' into a meaningful response to our conscious thoughts.
Hope this helps. Peter
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