Thanks to the help I got with my previous post :bows:

http://www.onlineclarity.co.uk/friends/showthread.php?t=5821

and a download of the advanced course, I was able today to calmly just ask one question of the iChing with some focus. So I asked the iChing 'what is happening with the situation between me and X? Please give me an overview'.

I liked the answer but I just don't really know what it means !

5 - waiting, nourishment. The hexagram talks of perserverance bringing good fortune and it being good to cross the great river. I'm not sure how that relates to a 2-person dynamic - if it were just about me I'd say 'great, I'll step outside my comfort zone (cross the great river) and trust my heart on this one, perservere in my totally illogical but heartfelt belief that we could have a future'. But it's not about me, it's about the situation and of course the other person has free will etc so I don't really know how to interpret this.

The lines speak of a lot of good fortune apart from the 4th, which says 'get out of the pit', and the sixth intrigues me with 'three uninvited guests arrive' but if I honour them there will be good fortune. I could think of two of the guests - doubt and fear, or am I totally wide of the mark there? Is the 'pit' my pit of intellectualising?

56 - the wanderer. As the relating hexagram, this presumably refers to me because I'm a little adrift at the moment, just trying to do my own thing as much as possible, get on with work but quite unsure of a lot of things. Again it talks about perserverance and success through smallness. To me the smallness suggests not doing any bold gestures to try and change the dynamic, but maybe in small ways something could change and there would be success.

I guess where I'm conflicted is that I can see my own personal dynamic here but I don't really see what it means for the dynamic that exists between us, and it was a general overview that I asked for. Does the reading mean that we're both sort of sitting back and waiting for another time? I would never usually hope or believe that if someone breaks up with you they could come back but this guy has turned so many of my preconcieved notions totally on their head at a very deep level that I don't have any reference point any more .

Clearly, any help would be appreciated!

Applegirl

So many moving lines, just look at the sentence the two hexagrams makes to get a simple overview. Looks like waiting for a temporary arrangement to change, this hanging in the balance, waiting period seems teetering on the edge of change...or the other way around waiting for the period of drifting to end... i don't know I'm just suggesting before becoming drowned by the meanings of the lines play about with the two hexes in your mind a bit.

In your last reading i think you got 35.4 suggesting someone is not being entirely upfront..possibly your ex which is why you might be feeling confused if hes sending mixed signals. I think from the above, your latest reading, whatever your're needing, waiting for, shouldn't be too long in revealing itself - though i wouldn't like to say in what direction as its difficult for me to see how 56 might play out here. Sometimes i find 56 just refers to a very transitory situation rather than me being a stranger or traveller etc. In which case its played out as 'no need to stress this isn't a permanent problem'

Hi applegirl

Just in case the comment could be useful

I would read your answer like this:
The relation is facing a time where you cann't take the initiative; this is not a time to make decisions, this is not a time to undertake new achievements. This is a transitional time, when you better wait with patience and calmness. You may trust that everything would be clear and in good order at it's due time.

The lines shows a progression of events:
1.- Between May 1st and May 15th seems like the relation was not an issue... is a situation like when the enemy's army is far away outside of your own town. One traditonal comment for this line said "don't rush to seek difficulties"

2.- Then, between May 16 and May 31 something happened that changed the situation. Now is a difficult and risky situation, like an army that is waiting in the sand (bad place to wait; if you are attacked in this place, you can suffer a serious defeat). The line talk about misunderstandings, even gossip. There is a need to avoid taking in consideration what others may say. Could it be that some people talk to you against be in touch one with each other again? Here, one risk is to going into quarrels and discussions.

3.- From June 16 to June 30, the relation may find a serious dificult time; like someone waiting in the blood. There is a risk of emotional hurts. To avoid that, you need to act with calmness, clarity but energy. Being humble is the best aproach to take.

4.- From July 1st to July 15th, the relation may face a better time.. a time to improve and solve dificulties. Patience would be rewarded.

5.- Finally, between July 16 and the end of the month, something unexpected may happen, that wouls shake the relation. If you open yourself to that, the relation may find a positive outcome to this transitonal time.

After July, you may ask again.. in order to figure out what may be the new time for the relation.

Best wishes

what is happening with the situation between me and X? Please give me an overview'.

The overview suggests nothing is happening between the two of you.

willowfox said:

The overview suggests nothing is happening between the two of you.

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That's to the point ! Yes, nothing is happening externally because I cut the contact but as I explained, internally I am quite conflicted so I am consulting the iChing to reveal more than the surface dynamic and help me negotiate this time. Thanks for the observation though.

@Trojan - thanks for your insight, I didn't see that interpretation before that one or both of us is not being upfront, but I do have a reference for that and it's spot on - there's a lot of self-protection in the dynamic, he's a very internal person so I think that refers to him and his way of negotiating the situation. I am also hugely holding back. So many changing lines indeed, I guess that shows how much the situation is in flux. The sentence the hexagram makes is 'waiting (nourishing), the wanderer' - to me that could indicate waiting for the wanderer, for someone conflicted and confused? If I'm honest with myself I guess that's what I'm doing. Thought the wanderer is me but maybe it's the two of us, both drifting a little.

@jesed - again, thanks so much for the time you took to reply. Just to offer you some feedback, the time frame you indicate is scarily spot on!

line 1 - I cut the contact on May 2nd and there was no contact until 1 e-mail on May 14th, so your timing is correct there.

line 2 - this time frame is when the contact and meeting was re-established, although I am still not furthering it beyond what contact I need to have. Your insight says I am correct to still do this because there is still a risk of misunderstandings or worse. Funnily enough when friends ask how the situation is at the moment, I am not inclined to talk about it at all, so maybe this is correct seeing that there is a risk of gossip etc.

line 3 - again, scary! I just found out yesterday that he will be going away on a work related journey with me and another colleague (great fun eh!). He is not meant to be involved in this project at all but our head of department has suggested he go . The dates we will be away together are during that time frame - definitely an indication for an emotional time!

Because of the accuracy of this, I will bear in mind lines 4 and 5 coming into July. Thank you all most sincerely for the effort you have put into helping me with this. I don't want to just come to this forum to 'take' the interpretations, so that's why I want to feed back to you what I think is also going on. Hopefully maybe other newbies could learn from this too.

Just one last question for jesed - I am only beginning the advanced course, is there something in that about predicting the time frame like you so accurately predicted? I just wonder how you saw the first dynamic in that two week frame etc? I don't see a pattern to the time frame myself so some references would greatly help if they're not included in Hilary's course.

It's times like these I wish I was more accomplished with the iChing but I'm loving getting to have a relationship with it!

Thanks again

Applegirl

Hi applegirl

First; i must clarify myself. The numbers wasn't the numbers of the lines, but the steps in the process (you must skip line 3, because that was an unchanging one)

So, what I said in step number 1 is line 1; what i said in step number 2 is line 2; what i said in step number 3, is really about line 4; step number 4 is about line 5; and step number 5 is about line 6.

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applegirl said:

I don't see a pattern to the time frame myself so some references would greatly help if they're not included in Hilary's course.

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I hope this link can help you to try this technique. Of course, this is only one, not the "correct" or the "only" one. But I have find it quite accurate, so I trust in it.

http://www.onlineclarity.co.uk/friends/showthread.php?t=259

Best

Thanks jesed, both for the clarification and for the information, which I will be trying to study over the next few weeks. It's all so fascinating and I'm aware of how little I know about the iChing! I would love to hope that some day I would know as much as yourself and others here. I feel a resonance with it though, like it's a dialogue but I'm only very new to the language that it's speaking, hence needing interpreters!

No doubt I'll be back soon with more questions!

Thanks again

Applegirl