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willowfox · May 3, 2009

The administration of this site has now resorted to deleting my posts. It would appear that they are trying every possible underhanded approach to stifle my freedom of speech and ban me from this site.

The next step they will take is to ban me like they did before. Yes, you can block my I.P. address but can you block a thousand different ones, or two thousand different I.P. addresses? I have the time, do you?

The administrator has definitely taken sides here as I am not allowed to post any comments in the reading section anymore, if I do then they will be deleted.

I was warned today, to stay away from this site, lovely people.

Go ahead and ban me and I will be back 10 times a day with a different name and a different I.P. address.

When you start to listen and not follow the orders of the likes of trojan, angels goldenrose and a few others, then I will stop my anger and just calm down but you seem insistent on pouring more oil on an already burning fire.

Sparhawk · May 3, 2009

Hey, perhaps we SHOULD GO to that forum and tell the fine people there the kind of tantrums you throw here. I'm sure that if they are the much more balanced people you claim they are they will take exception with your conduct.

willowfox · May 3, 2009

sparhawk said:
Hey, perhaps we SHOULD GO to that forum and tell the fine people there the kind of tantrums you throw here. I'm sure that if they are the much more balanced people you claim they are they will take exception with your conduct.

Okay, lets all do that shall we and you lead the way as you have seemingly elected yourself spokesman.

Sparhawk · May 3, 2009

willowfox said:
Okay, lets all do that shall we and you lead the way as you have seemingly elected yourself spokesman.

I'm just suggesting some ideas for the ones that would give a hoot about your tantrums. From me you'll get the time I took to find your baby pictures and these two messages. For the rest, have fun harassing Clarity, Hilary and the rest of us here with your current and invented identities and endless supply of IP addresses. I'm sure the game will do wonders for your pride and self-esteem. That's what's really important here.

Kind regards,

willowfox · May 3, 2009

sparhawk said:
From me you'll get the time I took to find your baby pictures and these two messages.

Thank you for wasting your valuable time, as it was really not necessary for you to go out of your way on my behalf, your generous act and your kindly nature overwhelm me. It is a pity that there are not more people like you on this site.
Anyway, I will do what I have to do, I'm that kind of person. It is a shame really how things turn out but every dog has their day.

enmedio de la tierra · May 3, 2009

"The administrator has definitely taken sides here as I am not allowed to post any comments in the reading section anymore, if I do then they will be deleted"

So, you did try to post again in the shared readings area; as I say you will do. Thanks for the confirmation.

bamboo · May 3, 2009

enmedio de la tierra said:
"The administrator has definitely taken sides here as I am not allowed to post any comments in the reading section anymore, if I do then they will be deleted"

So, you did try to post again in the shared readings area; as I say you will do. Thanks for the confirmation.

no need to kick someone when they are down.

gee whiz, how did all this happen?

enmedio de la tierra · May 3, 2009

bamboo

Let me remind you how this is happening

Willowfox is trying to confuse new people here, with the story "I'm a victim, I'm a victim, I'm a victim; Hillary is so unfair".

She is the one who said "I wont' post again", because she felt attacked (when actually, WF is the one who attacked another consultant).
When she posted again, and I pointed that, she said "I won't post in the reading area"
Now that she did try again to post in the reading area, she say "I'm warned... but I'll continue to attack Hillary"

If I remain in silence; I'll be contributing to an unfair acussation against Hillary. I do have several disagreements with Hilary's techniques. But I do recognize her as a sincere and noble-one person.

Now, do you agree with Willowfox attacks against Hillary? Do you believe Hillary is a vulgar one? Think it twice

Blessings

willowfox · May 3, 2009

enmedio de la tierra said:
"The administrator has definitely taken sides here as I am not allowed to post any comments in the reading section anymore, if I do then they will be deleted"

So, you did try to post again in the shared readings area; as I say you will do. Thanks for the confirmation.

Yes, but I was not doing a reading, I just posted some extra information on the tail of the angel goldenrose thing about her boyfriend, criticizing the way people on here jump to conclusions without even investigating the evidence, just like you do.

enmedio de la tierra · May 3, 2009

Ok, let me see the "evidence"

I'm finished here...
well, not; i'm only not posting in the readings area
well, not; I'm only not posting a "reading" but "extra information" in the readings area
well, not I'm only.....

You said it was not in your best interest to remain in this SITE... but here you are

Trojina · May 3, 2009

bamboo said:
no need to kick someone when they are down.

gee whiz, how did all this happen?

Once again..it happened here http://www.onlineclarity.co.uk/friends/showthread.php?t=7780 which I've only posted for your clarity...

willowfox · May 3, 2009

enmedio de la tierra said:
Willowfox is trying to confuse new people here, with the story "I'm a victim, I'm a victim, I'm a victim; Hillary is so unfair".

She is the one who said "I wont' post again", because she felt attacked (when actually, WF is the one who attacked another consultant).

Say what you want but the trouble originally started with trojan continually knocking my readings then it spread to angel goldenrose who complained to Hilary that she did not like the reading that I did for her. In her reply to me she agreed with what I had said, then trojan butted in and changed her mind. So this angel person then made a complaint. Hilary automatically jumped on me and said that I was to blame without even reading through the whole thread. Do you consider that fair and just. As you are another who doesn't like me, then my problem is now delighting your warped sense of humour. Go read the post and see what I said was nothing rude or derogatory towards this angel person.

:brickwall:

willowfox · May 3, 2009

enmedio de la tierra said:
You said it was not in your best interest to remain in this SITE... but here you are

With idiots like you on this site then it is in nobody's best interest to remain on this site. :duh:

enmedio de la tierra · May 3, 2009

willowfox said:
Go read the post and see what I said was nothing rude or derogatory towards this angel person.

willowfox said:
your stubbornness in waiting has now caused things to go totally s*** between you.

willowfox said:
Now, ask yourself why he needs to be so very cautious about this relationship? As it takes two to make a relationship work then the problem in his head lies with you.

willowfox said:
I see you clearly to be part or the main reason why the relationship is in the state that it is in today.

willowfox said:
You screwed up and you know it

willowfox said:
And, I was rather offended by your flippant approach on here, about a situation that was meant to be so very close to your heart, I see no funny side to this story, in fact I find it very sad that such a true friendship gets destroyed by stubbornness, willfulness and laziness.

willowfox said:
Because this whole stupid story is a childish game and to all readers, rest assured nothing is clouding my vision or interpretation.

Read this before Hilary deletes it!

Nothing rude or derogatory..right :footinmouth:

. Sincerity is just not one of your best qualities, right?

willowfox · May 3, 2009

enmedio de la tierra said:
Nothing rude or derogatory..right . Sincerity is just not one of your best qualities, right?

I consider what I wrote was an honest view of the situation. Look at the first post, she even admits at the very beginning that she is to blame and all I did was read some of her answers which did indeed confirm that she was partly or even wholly to blame for his lack of contact. Next time don't quote bits out of context. Read the part where she couldn't be bothered to contact him properly for 5 months, she sent a couple of texts with absolutely no follow ups,. Is that the true friend she wants us all to believe that she is?

:duh:

enmedio de la tierra · May 3, 2009

The lack of sincerity is not in your interpretation of the readings/answers; but in your view of the conflict with Hilarry.

You did say something rude to the consultant; and you did say derogatory things about her. Then, your claim that you didn't say anithing rude or derogatory shows lack of sincerity.

But I won't upset you anymore in this thread. My goal -point that you are not the victim you proclaim you are- is achieved.

Blessings

willowfox · May 3, 2009

enmedio de la tierra said:
Ok, let me see the "evidence"

That is what this post is all about the "evidence" was deleted by Hilary without warning. I then received an email which stated that I should indeed take a break, ie, go away, if I hang around writing more posts then I will be banned forever.
(The banning is done by blocking one's I.P. address, quite effective unless one has access to other computers and I do.)
:brickwall:

willowfox · May 3, 2009

enmedio de la tierra said:
You did say something rude to the consultant; and you did say derogatory things about her. Then, your claim that you didn't say anithing rude or derogatory shows lack of sincerity.

When I write and when I talk to people I am totally honest and therefore do not consider my remarks to be either rude or derogatory.
I cannot sugar coat my readings and I refuse to do so. You see I have nearly 3000 points or whatever you call them, if I am so bad how come I have done so many readings without complaint from any querents? This was the very first querent to complain that they did not like what I had written. I will stand by what I have said, trojan pushed her to complain :duh:

Trojina · May 3, 2009

When I write and when I talk to people I am totally honest and therefore do not consider my remarks to be either rude or derogatory.
I cannot sugar coat my readings and I refuse to do so. You see I have nearly 3000 points or whatever you call them, if I am so bad how come I have done so many readings without complaint from any querents? This was the very first querent to complain that they did not like what I had written. I will stand by what I have said, trojan pushed her to complain [/

No I did not ! Don't lie. I had no idea she would complain but if she did thats her right to do so and none of your business.

You are now harassing me in a way that I have never done to you..all i did to you was explain the problem i had with your reading, raising points you haven't bothered to answer. But thats okay i don't want an answer now but I am telling you to quit harrassing me here, its not okay and its certainly not I Ching News

I thought you were leaving anyway as you said in last 'I Ching News' bulletin here

http://www.onlineclarity.co.uk/friends/showthread.php?t=7787

jesed · May 3, 2009

willowfox said:
This was the very first querent to complain that they did not like what I had written.

Another lie...

libelula · May 3, 2009

Not sure about what happened, but I appreciate the readings given by Willowfox.

hilary · May 3, 2009

*sigh*

Obviously not going to explain the contents of the post I deleted, as that would defeat the object of deleting it in the first place. Suffice to say that what it added wasn't information.

Willowfox - I'm going to suspend your account now for a couple of weeks, to give you time to cool off. After that you're welcome to come back and keep posting, provided you don't go back to posting personal abuse of querents (obviously). Please don't waste your time and mine creating extra accounts. (Everyone else - if she does, could you let me know? Thanks.)

Tohpol · May 3, 2009

libelula said:
Not sure about what happened, but I appreciate the readings given by Willowfox.

This is not about "appreciation." It is about the way we conduct ourselves when giving readings, not least how we handle criticism, however "unjust" we might perceive that to be.

Topal

jesed · May 20, 2009

jesed said:
Another lie...

WF send me another attack in private message; she acused me to lie in this post.

There was more than 1 people who did complain that they did not like what she had written.

Anyway... the fox is back, with the permission of the owner. If this is how Hillary thinks a sincere place to study the Yijing is about, well...

I'm definitve off of here. (and i'm real about it, not as WF)

fkegan · May 20, 2009

willowfox said:
The administration of this site has now resorted to deleting my posts. It would appear that they are trying every possible underhanded approach to stifle my freedom of speech and ban me from this site.

The next step they will take is to ban me like they did before. Yes, you can block my I.P. address but can you block a thousand different ones, or two thousand different I.P. addresses? I have the time, do you?

Hi WF and all,
Often there is a bit of clarity going back to the original. Although the posts were deleted, even just the remarks above quoted from the first post of this thread pretty well explain the issue. A number of the points in this short quote cry out in their logical ugliness, but let me limit myself to just the "Freedom of Speech" bit.

Freedom of Speech is certainly not that anyone can say anything without consequences. If others react badly to what you have said, their reaction is also just an expression of free speech. You may feel the need to "honestly" yell out 'Fire!' since that word was on your mind; but if it is in a crowded theater that isn't on fire, it is still a bad thing and deserving of punishment. Even with the most rigorous defender of Freedom of Speech (such as Justice Oliver Wendell Holmes) insisted upon such limits.

For the rest, it is either obvious what the problems are or nothing anyone else might say would be heard or make any difference. Threatening attack if you aren't allow to do whatever you will is basically terrorism and like piracy, unless universally condemned everyone suffers.

Frank

hilary · May 20, 2009

The fox is back, with permission, and under the same conditions as anyone else who participates here: it's about the I Ching, it's not about maligning other people. For the occasional need to vent, do so in Open Space. For a platform for a steady series of personal attacks, pay for your own website. For your help with people's readings, thank you.

lienshan · May 20, 2009

hilary said:
The fox is back, with permission,

Looks like you didn't hit 30.6 ... :rofl:

........................

Trojina · May 20, 2009

hilary said:
The fox is back, with permission, and under the same conditions as anyone else who participates here: it's about the I Ching, it's not about maligning other people. For the occasional need to vent, do so in Open Space. For a platform for a steady series of personal attacks, pay for your own website. For your help with people's readings, thank you.

You think some of these all knowing, all seeing pronouncements that come from Wfox have something to do with the I Ching ? When she told someone recently who was very worried about finding out test results for a serious inherited illness that they would be 'fine' do you think that came from the I Ching ? Or recently she told a man in no uncertain terms his wife just wanted money from him. You rely on people following in and countering such comments yet countering these comments will always cause another attack by her, even if relatively mild.

rosada · May 20, 2009

Jesed,
PLEASE reconsider your decision to leave. Your insights and generosity in sharing are extremely valuable to all of us who take the I Ching seriously.
Willowfox has posted unpleasant comments about me in the past and Hilary has been very gracious about deleting them as soon as I brought them to her attention.
I hope you will decide to stay.
Best wishes,
rosada

fkegan · May 20, 2009

So the tantrum is over. And life goes on. However, folks are forewarned, forearmed, and a bit more knowledgeable about what fortune tellers are all about.

As to hex 30.6, without an army, Gitmo, or a PTSD ravaged Cheney probably better to use the image of hex 55.5 where trigram Li disappears into the sunshine as the Yin line moves. The arrow disappears and each suffers or enjoys whatever they have coming next in their destiny and opportunity.

Frank

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