I bought a pair of shoes on Ebay. It was a spurra the moment kinda thang. Which basically means I won them with one low bid before I even had a chance to decide if I really wanted them. BOOM: These Prada scandals are yours for the low low price of $61.00!!

The problem was A) I did the same thing the night before and BOOM, became the proud owner of a pair that basically would have served the exact same purpose except that B) When those shoes came in the mail, I wanted to return them, that's just how ugly they were in person, which made me realize a little too late that C) It's pure stupidity to buy shoes online that you can't return.

All to say, once I had in my possession a pair of new shoes I hated, I decided to ask the IC how much I would like the Prada's, which hadn't yet arrived. I received 2.4>16.

Today my shoes came in the mail, so I will be able to tell you what 2.4>16 in this case means if anyone is interested in taking a stab? I'll wear them for a week or so, just to make sure...depending, I guess, on whether I want to and can.

Only fit for the trash as you don't want to be seen in public wearing the things.

K, duly noted, thanks for playing, next?

I'll let ya know in a week.:bag:

By the way, if anyone out there is put off by the question itself, don't be. Of course it seems on the surface to pertain to a pair of inanimate objects, a concept about which I'm guessing some of you do not condone for use with the Yi. I assure you, however, that there is plenty of meaning to be had.

Also, for anyone who is uncomfortable with the thought they are in some way being "tested," I also assure you this has nothing to do with me. This is an opportunity for you to grow. How often do you really hear about what happens after your chat session here ends? Hardly ever from the looks of these here threads, so this is a simple chance for you to expand your stuff.

I've got very particular feet. They're a bit narrower than the average, and the left foot and right foot don't match. I don't think I've ever had a pair of mail-order shoes that fit. (Doesn't stop me from trying every now and then, though, but only from merchants who accept returns.)

As to your Pradas, let's see ... how much do you like them? So-so. They look OK, at least in the abstract, but they aren't entirely comfortable. Something about them is not "wearer-friendly", and/or they might have functionality problems. They may grow on you, though (metaphorically speaking, of course), since we can get used to all sorts of thing. Or you may put them in the back of your closet and forget about them.

16 could be...

Enthusiasm of the seller...the sale was in the bag!

Your own enthusiasm...you should have kept your purse closed to begin with

Lise calls 16 "Weaving Images"...that kind of fits - you had a picture in your head of what these would be like, should have left them on eBay

Trojan might be correct honestly. I was thinking something similar though not that it wasn't answering but that by # 2you would see when you got them.
I think you may be able to enjoy them if you want to, they may be attractive to others when/if youwear them which is what the 16, Enthusiasm means.(?)

If you look in the archives there is a thread on 2.4 from last xmas about a xmas present . While there are different circumstances there are also similarities.

http://www.onlineclarity.co.uk/friends/showthread.php?t=7190

I think the eBay challenge is quite funny and while I think every girl should own a pair of f***me shoes, Pradas are Hex 16 puro..........

So yeah I reckon Trojan is probably onto something and meanwhile the 16 aspiration/illusion/delusion/enthusiasm is firing on all cylinders ha ha........

they probably won't fit........ Two pairs in two days? Ha ha!

But you rather cheekily (it seems to me ), question Trojan's perspective and also raise the issue of "intuition". Get lost this is Prada's we are talking about and you seem to want a vending machine answer - intuition?? Hold on, I'll just plug the Blackberry into my third eye and see what comes to me...

Yep! The spirits have spoken the vendor was a lying B and they're fake DKNY two sizes too small.

Intuition (if there is such a thing )is between you and the ching it doesn't come out of a tap or even bottled and labelled as nature allegedly intended. So while I aint moralising about ching usage - lets not get cosmic either 'cos it lowers the tone.

And as for growth as a motivation for participating well maybe the interpretation really is in the bag and hex 16 is your "roll up roll up come and get it" slightly fair ground attitude - trust me, whatever happens on this thread, 5 pesetas says it ain't offering me no growth opportunity.

Is there a prize? I like prizes and I definitely look forward to the deadline 'cos I do want to know. But not for any reason other than its a bit of nonsense. I want to say tonteria but it doesn't translate very well.

Lucia

deedeebird said:

Trojan, why don't you put your answer here instead of on the other thread?

You know, the answer you gave about how the Yi couldn't tell me the answer?

That was your answer, yes? That the answer can't be known because the shoes were in a bag, in the mail, at the time I asked the question?

I totally get this and I'm not even saying it isn't true, but what I really want to know is, Where did you find the rocks and scroll that spelled out all these secret rules involved with the ancient, magical Yi? Because you seem to have so many hard and fast rules about what is and is not workable in terms of the Yi, and what is and is not acceptable, and what can and cannot be done, that I'm wondering where I can get my hands on the version of the book you got.

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I can't recall saying there were secret rules. I think everyone forges their own relationship with the Yi which changes over time and changes all the time. Its suprising how often though some of us feel we talk to the same being or energy or however we choose to think of it. Its seems to have a sense of humour, doesn't always answer questions directly but tells you what you need to know and you know when that happens only through your personal connection to the Yi. I do not think one improves ones understanding really in the same way as one develops skills, its very personal, a three way relationship between the Yi, the world and you. Seeing how other peoples answers play out is always interesting but I wouldn't say its especially instructive in terms of ones own development. Someone else answers can shed light, show another aspect of an answer

Take the shoe question. All I have learned is that for whatever reason Yi seems to have just presented you with the situation as is. But on other occasions, similar question, it may answer entirely differently, maybe more predictive or cautionary or whatever. So its not that the Yi doesn't give info about shoes..it just didn't to you on this occasion IMO.

Anyway I didn't post idea about 2.4 here as had no intention of joining the thread. You told me elsewhere you didn't want me to answer you, on the same thread you said Hollis was on crack when she gave a thoughtful reply. The shoe issue came up on Sofias thread here http://www.onlineclarity.co.uk/friends/showthread.php?t=8468 where when you said she was confused, i could not help but wonder how you could call her so when you are asking if you like your own shoes or not (joke...yes i know you asked as you thought it would be instructive to others)


I have been consulting the Yi for over 30 years and have built up lots of notes and ideas around my own experience with it. I'm no scholar and don't know Chinese so i have limitations but i don't need to rely on any particular book though I do refer to them. So no you won't be able to get your hands on the book i've got because there isn't one, its my life, my understandings over all this time...obviously given massive boost on discovering this website.

All I do is share those thoughts/experiences whatever. I don't claim to know for sure how others readings will turn out and nor do i have any desire to read their futures....not at all

Wondering why I'm explaining myself to you who called me 'ignorant' on that other thread anyway as obviously if thats your opinion you won't be interested in anything i have to say, infact you already said that in that 'crack thread'


Enjoy..or don't enjoy your shoes.

deedeebird said:

Benediciones, Lucia.

Assumptions are bad things.

I would definitely not describe the scandals as "F Me Shoes." They are very practical and almost on the menswear side as far as style is concerned. Actually, I have never needed or wanted "F Me Shoes." You ask me, they try too hard and therefore attract pendejos.

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I assumed nothing and I was merely taking the p....
no sense of humour and very arrogant que pena - this is why I dont bother here too much anymore - why are you being so obnoxious?? My post was written in fun and I didn't even consider that your shoes were f***me shoes - I said every girl should own a pair - and Prada - gosh how cool....... ha ha - like I said hex 16 puro.

Who are you to point the finger at various people and get so stroppy in all your posts - you've spoiled what I saw as a bit of fun with your bs - do you really think you have something thats worth sweating over? Are you going to enlighten me? reminds me of a song.....

"Sell your wife and pawn your heater
buy a new Bagavadgita
do your pranayama 'til your spine gets sore.....
I'll tell you for free 'cos god told me
I checked it with the pope and now we all agree
WIll the real god please stand up"

Why cant you just post instead of getting gobby - I think you are making assumptions not me or Trojan or anyone else - YOU are incredibly rude to people and you dive in without pausing to consider very much. But na pasa na - I cant be bothered -

There is a prize, I'm glad you asked. For anyone interested in becoming a bigger, better person, here's your chance to see the obstacles you put in your own way. You might find out that you are more negative than you thought or that you make assumptions too easily or that you have very fixed ideas of what is right and wrong, allowable or not. See your habits, your tendencies, your pitfalls and the prize, if you let it, will be the gratification of becoming a wiser, more beneficial interpreter.

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I didn't realise you were so enlightened - (in Pradas no less wow - designer enlightenment at that) (but strictly the sensible variety of course)

You completely missed the tongue in cheek humour and have systematically managed to lower the tone of your own thread so perhaps a mirror might be useful.

Adios and in the immortal words of Mr Z

Kiss my aura dora...........

ciao bella

deedeebird said:

So how did Hex 16 figure into these two interpretations?

Was it the anticipation of receiving the shoes in the mail when the question was posed or is it the future happiness once the shoes arrive and are worn? Or is it the backdrop from which 2.4 emerges?

How do you know? Is it strictly a matter of intuition, different in every case?

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For me, interpreting the second hexagram always utilizes intuition. (So does interpreting the first hexagram and changing lines, for that matter.)

An analogy I like to use is jazz improv, where the participants riff off each other's contributions in creating the music. It's based on both learned skills as well as an intuitive "feel" for what comes next and for what the best interplay of all the elements is. It's never the same twice, and of course sometimes it works and sometimes it doesn't.

lucia said:

You completely missed the tongue in cheek humour and have systematically managed to lower the tone of your own thread so perhaps a mirror might be useful.

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deedeebird said:

Are you kidding me? This thread is proving itself to be all that and then some.

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Speaking of mirrors, here's the translation of and commentary on 2.4 from Akira Rabelais' site (Wilhelm/Baynes):

Six in the fourth place means:
A tied-up sack. No blame, no praise.

The dark element opens when it moves and closes when at rest. The strictest
reticence is indicated here. The time is dangerous, because any degree of
prominence leads either to the enmity of irresistible antagonists if one
challenges them or to misconceived recognition if one is complaisant.
Therefore a man ought to maintain reserve, be it in solitude or in the turmoil
of the world, for there too he can hide himself so well that no one knows
him.​

And I guess I've disregarded the advice given (maintain the strictest reticence) by posting this. Just chalk it up to my enthusiasm at seeing something and wanting to share it.

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An analogy I like to use is jazz improv, where the participants riff off each other's contributions in creating the music. It's based on both learned skills as well as an intuitive "feel" for what comes next and for what the best interplay of all the elements is. It's never the same twice, and of course sometimes it works and sometimes it doesn't.

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Very good explanation of a subtle creative process.

Is the verdict in on the Pradas? Flip, flop?