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Trojan:Wondering if the idea of not being able to 'rescue' another is a really fundamental part of 52.2 ? I assume 'rescue' must be in the original chinese as most seem translations seem to use the word ?
I'm asking as it puzzles me in my own experience certainly it seems a line of not being able to make a connection, not being happy about it ,"your heart is not glad" (Hilary i think) but i never can see any rescue aspect at all ...
So do you think rescue is very much part of 52.2 ?
Odd conclusion.
'Stilling the calves' is stopping.
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Maybe it is the time you see someone you care about a lot , and want to take the pain away from them but you can’t . or you see doing something wrong and want to stop him but you can’t . Its not possible .
Just a thought …
In practice the advice of this line is simply to stop. The business of calves not stopping thighs, leading to a fall, is overinterpretation and nothing to do with the line at all. With all this difficulty about the meaning of 'stilling his calves', which is as simple as anything, I wonder whether we will ever get on to the much more interesting question over who is sad and why, since that's another old misinterpretation that's been taken for granted but no-one seems much interested in.
http://www.onlineclarity.co.uk/friends/showthread.php?t=3121 is where the ideograph of sui was discussed.Can a reader of old Chinese tell us whether sui was in fact much used to mean people who follow, rather than as a verb?
ps. this is my first post, in appreciation of the fabulous community from onlineclarity
Line 2: it is like knowing what is the right thing to based on what the mind can express and then there is the will of the heart. If you allow your heart to drive even though you may know logically and intellectually that moving in this direction is not effective or will cause issue...You heart can override and can find yourself or watch yourself go down a dreadful path and has nothing to do what is the right thing. The stronger master is the heart if you are not careful and although the mind/reason can give you the answer all day long the heart cannot be rescued from its will unless the mind has quieted the movement of the heart
It was not an interpretation like on Shared I was trying to give my opinion of what 52.2 means.
Please help me understand. I am absorbing anything and everything I can. I need feedback. I need a mentor.
The I Ching tells me the heart's will cannot be controlled only the movement of the heart. The ability to determine movement of the heart is in the choices one makes. The idea is do you lead with your heart or with your mind. Which master is being served in 52.2 - the heart or the mind.
In 52.2 as unit the body is in motion with heart and mind and man is swept along. Even if stops because there is a choice to be made... the mind may tell you the truth and so it stops the body but the heart sweeps you along and you end up falling on your face. The master in this case is the heart and the servant is the mind. I am going to respond to your post, if you do not mind.
Yes rescue-failed threw me too. For one, I can't think who! The various men in my life are unlikely.I wonder if it is my eldest son who has been my mainstay thr' separation from my ex his father? I hope not.Wondering if the idea of not being able to 'rescue' another is a really fundamental part of 52.2 ? I assume 'rescue' must be in the original chinese as most seem translations seem to use the word ?
I'm asking as it puzzles me in my own experience certainly it seems a line of not being able to make a connection, not being happy about it ,"your heart is not glad" (Hilary i think) but i never can see any rescue aspect at all ...
So do you think rescue is very much part of 52.2 ?
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