Will Trump Be President Beyond 2020? 53.1 > 37.

Lavalamp · Oct 3, 2019

So I actually went back to 1991 and Visonary Software's "Synchronicity" app to cast this reading, using an Emulator program with Mac OS 6.7. Jeez, in 1991 I was still in the recording studio and hadn't quite moved into TV Broadcasting yet. Almost a life time ago. The Syncronicity program is an old friend for casting the Yi, it gives you the sounds of a virtual flowing stream of water, frogs croaking, a burning candle and reminders to clear your mind, breathe and focus - and only want to know what is true.
Anyway as divination answers can be cryptic sometimes, I tried to word this as carefully as possible.

Will Trump be President beyond 2020?
53.1 Legge: The first line, magnetic, shows the wild geese gradually approaching the shore. A young officer in similar circumstances will be in a position of danger, and be spoken against; but there will be no error.
Commentaries -
Confucius/Legge: The danger is owing to no fault of hers in the matter of what is right. Blofeld: `The younger son is in trouble' is just a way of saying that there is trouble for which we are not to blame. Ritsema/Karcher: Righteous, without fault indeed.
Legge: In line one the geese appear for the first time in the season approaching the shore. Then comes the real subject of the line -- she is magnetic in a dynamic place and without a proper correlate above. The difficulty and danger of her situation are seen as the result of circumstances -- the young officer has not brought it on herself.
DeKorne "Of the three elements, earth is the most solid and the shore is where they all meet. As a creature at home in air, water or on land, the goose symbolizes a force which grounds an abstraction where it can be seen, grasped and understood."

S0 - Appearing for the first time in the season, magnetic in a dynamic place with no one in the position above. There are words - against him certainly - and maybe his own, but he has no blame.
I take this to mean Trump will not be removed as President ( due to his words ) and he will be reelected.

>37 Family.
With a single line I read the resulting hex as context. Confucius comments on hex 37, ""That in the family there is an authoritative ruler is a way of naming father and mother." This refers I think to elections as a metaphor for leadership in a family.

- LL

foxx777 · Oct 3, 2019

lavalamp said:
Confucius/Legge: The danger is owing to no fault of hers in the matter of what is right. Blofeld: `The younger son is in trouble' is just a way of saying that there is trouble for which we are not to blame. Ritsema/Karcher: Righteous, without fault indeed.

So Trump is a righteous man, and this impeachment trouble is not his own fault. OK

Fanofenka · Oct 3, 2019

I follow several tarot card readers on YouTube and have been saying that there is loss given that more will come out. However, a psychic said that the impeachment is the start of Trump's fall.

Yet, I feel that asking such a question has its own biases where others on the site have said that the leaders themselves may use the Yi for themselves.

foxx777 · Oct 3, 2019

Fanofenka said:
I follow several tarot card readers on YouTube and have been saying that there is loss given that more will come out. However, a psychic said that the impeachment is the start of Trump's fall.

Yet, I feel that asking such a question has its own biases where others on the site have said that the leaders themselves may use the Yi for themselves.

That’s the thing about the I Ching. Over the past 20 years I’ve found it often reflected my own biases back to me as prophesy: Either what I believed ought to happen or what really ought to have happened. But it didn’t, in the end.

Lavalamp · Oct 3, 2019

foxx777 said:
That’s the thing about the I Ching. Over the past 20 years I’ve found it often reflected my own biases back to me as prophesy: Either what I believed ought to happen or what really ought to have happened. But it didn’t, in the end.

Well if you do not believe the Yi is an objective tool for Divination, but simply a pool in which to view your own mind reflected, then you probably should not ask it to divine the future for you.
For many years try as I may, the Yi would always throw my questions back at me, and not give me anything predictive. But lately things have changed.
Perhaps the Yi thought it was better to point to what I really needed to do in the present, being present, than to live in the future. And sometimes the Yi would say the future - the result - is not what is important, but doing what is right is no matter the outcome.

- LL

lpkaster · Oct 3, 2019

lavalamp said:
So I actually went back to 1991 and Visonary Software's "Synchronicity" app to cast this reading, using an Emulator program with Mac OS 6.7. Jeez, in 1991 I was still in the recording studio and hadn't quite moved into TV Broadcasting yet. Almost a life time ago. The Syncronicity program is an old friend for casting the Yi, it gives you the sounds of a virtual flowing stream of water, frogs croaking, a burning candle and reminders to clear your mind, breathe and focus - and only want to know what is true.
Anyway as divination answers can be cryptic sometimes, I tried to word this as carefully as possible.

Will Trump be President beyond 2020?
53.1 Legge: The first line, magnetic, shows the wild geese gradually approaching the shore. A young officer in similar circumstances will be in a position of danger, and be spoken against; but there will be no error.
Commentaries -
Confucius/Legge: The danger is owing to no fault of hers in the matter of what is right. Blofeld: `The younger son is in trouble' is just a way of saying that there is trouble for which we are not to blame. Ritsema/Karcher: Righteous, without fault indeed.
Legge: In line one the geese appear for the first time in the season approaching the shore. Then comes the real subject of the line -- she is magnetic in a dynamic place and without a proper correlate above. The difficulty and danger of her situation are seen as the result of circumstances -- the young officer has not brought it on herself.
DeKorne "Of the three elements, earth is the most solid and the shore is where they all meet. As a creature at home in air, water or on land, the goose symbolizes a force which grounds an abstraction where it can be seen, grasped and understood."

S0 - Appearing for the first time in the season, magnetic in a dynamic place with no one in the position above. There are words - against him certainly - and maybe his own, but he has no blame.
I take this to mean Trump will not be removed as President ( due to his words ) and he will be reelected.

>37 Family.
With a single line I read the resulting hex as context. Confucius comments on hex 37, ""That in the family there is an authoritative ruler is a way of naming father and mother." This refers I think to elections as a metaphor for leadership in a family.

- LL

Absolutely wrong. Try using Yarrow next time, maybe. If I developed a reading so far from what we clearly see in the world, I'd question my sanity.

Trojina · Oct 3, 2019

I think fox was being sarcastic - well not exactly sarcastic but not serious.

Lavalamp · Oct 3, 2019

That's a huge accusation to make. Particularly from a moderator. But not unexpected.
That's why I detailed preparing myself to be objective before even asking the question.
How about you ask the Yi yourself? See what *you* get. That would be more constructive than claiming a reading you don't like only came about, because someone's personal bias somehow overwhelmed the Yi.
My question - unlike so many of FOF's questions - certainly shows zero bias one way or the other.
Ask the same question yourself Trojina - and see what the Yi says to you.
And let me remind you in 2016 the majority of readers here sharing their readings, got readings suggesting Trump would win the election, often complimentary, despite your protestations to the contrary.
That's what I got - to my own surprise - and it is what happened. And here we will certainly see what happens again.

- LL

foxx777 · Oct 3, 2019

lavalamp said:
Well if you do not believe the Yi is an objective tool for Divination, but simply a pool in which to view your own mind reflected, then you probably should not ask it to divine the future for you.
For many years try as I may, the Yi would always throw my questions back at me, and not give me anything predictive. But lately things have changed.
Perhaps the Yi thought it was better to point to what I really needed to do in the present, being present, than to live in the future. And sometimes the Yi would say the future - the result - is not what is important, but doing what is right is no matter the outcome.

- LL

Yes, I’ve definitely noticed this tendency at work and I do agree with you.

foxx777 · Oct 3, 2019

Trojina said:
I think fox was being sarcastic - well not exactly sarcastic but not serious.

I think it's a huge shame when people try to make Yi their puppet to spout their political views, especially when they don't even try to give their own interpretation.

I was in fact being wryly ironical.

foxx777 · Oct 3, 2019

lavalamp said:
And here we will certainly see what happens again.

Absolutely. My gut feeling is he will be re-elected despite many protests from us. Time will tell.

Trojina · Oct 3, 2019

I'm not a moderator LL and I am sorry it came over as accusation i will edit my post.

Lavalamp · Oct 3, 2019

Okay thanks.

lpkaster · Oct 3, 2019

Trojina said:
I think fox was being sarcastic - well not exactly sarcastic but not serious.

I was redirected here from Hilary's e-mail concerning a program she plans in the near future. The post grabbed my attention, because I occasionally find apologists for 45, who has repeatedly committed grievous crimes. A suggestion that a leader who recommends shooting innocent people in the leg, separating children from their caregivers and putting them in jail. or impaling refugees on spikes at the top of a wall ( among countless other idiocies) is not a good leader, no matter how you might interpret the Yi. You know, if you look over a precipice and a sign tells you to step forward someone is messing with you. Or you should take a step back and question your interpretation of the message.

Anyway, I still haven't found the post I was supposed to be redirected to! I apologize for my apparent political comment, but I will never accept corruption as leadership. LPK

diamanda · Oct 3, 2019

Will Trump Be President Beyond 2020? 53.1 > 37
No, but Jared Kushner (the dangerous young son) will take his place. The presidency will stay in the family (37). I don't believe that's possible by the way.

lpkaster · Oct 3, 2019

That's not how our government works! Not yet, anyway.We still have the Constitution.When the President and the Vice President are fired from their jobs by the Citizens, the next in line is Speaker of the House.

Sorry, I keep getting involved with these political posts. But I promise not to initiate one.

diamanda · Oct 3, 2019

Yes, I agree, that's why I said I don't think it's possible, it wouldn't be a democratic thing to do.

foxx777 · Oct 3, 2019

diamanda said:
Will Trump Be President Beyond 2020? 53.1 > 37
No, but Jared Kushner (the dangerous young son) will take his place. The presidency will stay in the family (37). I don't believe that's possible by the way.

That actually fits. But not literally possible, as you note.

Lavalamp · Oct 4, 2019

Well the subject of the casting is Trump. If the Yi sees him as young and inexperienced, that's the Yi.
Father Abraham at 100 years old had a son. Old to us, but someone else with a wider view might see him as prone to youthful mistakes. Legge says "The theme of the hexagram is the advance of men to offices in the state -- how it should take place gradually and by successive steps." The context suggests he will advance, not be removed from office, and will be reelected.
The line says he approaches the land. The Wild Goose notably can live in the air, on the water and on the land. Here I find DeKorne's commentary interesting: "As a creature at home in air, water or on land, the goose symbolizes a force which grounds an abstraction where it can be seen, grasped and understood." In other words - the land means practical actions and steps taken rather than ideological, emotional or theoretical gestures.

And LPkaster, if here the Yi does not agree with your personal judgement - ask the Yi the same question yourself. Throw the coins or the yarrow stalks or use Lise's site and ask the Yi yourself, and then report back.
Better than just throwing out your own opinion.

- LL

Freedda · Oct 4, 2019

diamanda said:
Will Trump Be President Beyond 2020? 53.1 > 37
No, but Jared Kushner (the dangerous young son) will take his place. The presidency will stay in the family (37). I don't believe that's possible by the way.

I don't understand why you said this? What is not possible? That Jared could run and be elected as President? I don't think it's likely but it is possible - as in nothing in the laws or our Constitution that I know of that would stop it. (Think Bush Sr. and Bush Jr.) Though it is true, he is not at all in the line of succession after the speaker of the house and others.

rosada · Oct 5, 2019

53.1: Someone new on the scene?
37. Maybe a female?

lpkaster · Oct 5, 2019

I don't consult the Yi to predict the future. (I use Jiao bei sometimes for that. The Moon Dice prompted me to explore the terrain.)

I said earlier, "You know, if you look over a precipice and a sign tells you to step forward, someone is messing with you. Or you should take a step back and question your interpretation of the message." I think that was a sound assessment, and informed by my experience with the I Ching.

For me, the Oracle is a guide to the circumstances surrounding current events. The wisdom I have found there for over 50 years has informed my daily life to the extent that I pretty much know what she will say. Yet, I still take some time to divide the Yarrow, often to confirm what I have been taught.

The Hexagram that informs the current condition is 8 Holding Together. The change is 20 Contemplation. (The latter reminds me a little of the Tower in the Tarot.)

Holding Together is what we really need to do at this time. A leadership that sets segments of the world against each other, that stirs up fear of our differences does not inspire unity. Quite the contrary. The changing line at the top speaks volumes. Now that we have reached a point of Contemplation, we have the possibility to both survey and reveal the entire landscape of corrupt power. This is what I learned.

Lavalamp · Oct 7, 2019

rosada said:
53.1: Someone new on the scene?
37. Maybe a female?

Well Rosada had I worded the question "Who will win the election in 2020?" that might be an answer.
But I specifically asked about Trump, so he is the presumptive subject of the reading. For the Yi to describe him as inexperienced is certainly true as a politician... Experienced politicians use surrogates, and keep their mouth shut.

- LL

rosada · Oct 7, 2019

Good points.
I was thinking that as the ic doesn’t have a straight yes or no, perhaps we were being given an image of who the president would be, leaving it to us to recognize if the image was of Trump or not.

rosada · Oct 8, 2019

Another thought:
The first line often describes a situation before the energy begins to manifest.
Like 1.1 describes the time before it’s time for Creating so the line says “Do NOT Create.”
Maybe 53.1 means “Don’t Progress. (Stay home with the 37. Family).”

Lavalamp · Oct 10, 2019

rosada said:
Good points.
I was thinking that as the ic doesn’t have a straight yes or no, perhaps we were being given an image of who the president would be, leaving it to us to recognize if the image was of Trump or not.

You're saying the Yi does not have a yes or no, but it is saying no. This is contradictory Rosada.
I think this is more typical of not liking the answer, and trying to find a way out of it.
But of course, events will unfold and we will see.

- LL

rosada · Oct 10, 2019

I’m not saying the I Ching is not able to indicate no, I’m saying it doesn’t have specific hexagrams for “yes” or
“no” and so communicates by responding with a hexagram that gives us an image of the result which we then interpret as meaning yes or no. Using this theory 53.1 - 37 should describe the next president and I don’t see (53.1) a couple at the very beginning of their journey to (37) the White House as indicating Trump.

Lavalamp · Oct 10, 2019

I think you misunderstand my question. I asked "Will Trump Be President Beyond 2020?" I did not specifically ask "who will win the election" - for they are trying to impeach Trump right now. The question was about a clear subject, would he both survive the impeachment drive and be reelected? So your thinking the description is someone else who would win in 2020 is a stretch at best.
The subject of the answer, because of the careful wording and context, can only be President Trump.
Clear question - clear answer. But again, time will tell one way or another.

- LL

rosada · Oct 10, 2019

Yes, I agree it’s a stretch but saying 53.1 describes Trump or a surrogate seems imaginative too. But anyway while mulling this over it occurred to me these lines are a heads up that we are entering a whole new phase. Maybe 53.1 describes a whole new group of people registering to vote (registering to enter the 37. Family.) and these voters will determine the results. Maybe Republicans who voted for him originally will be turned off by things he has done and maybe Democrats who were unaware of the achievements you mention will now be in favor of him.Maybe the IChing is saying we’re just at the beginning of the selection process. Whatever, it will be interesting to have this cast to reflect on in the months ahead!

Another thought, if not referring to his son, perhaps 53.6 indicates Trumps re-election would validate his presidency is not a fluke but the beginning of a new family dynasty with his son or daughter elected in 2024.

Andradelm · Nov 2, 2020

diamanda said:
Will Trump Be President Beyond 2020? 53.1 > 37
No, but Jared Kushner (the dangerous young son) will take his place. The presidency will stay in the family (37). I don't believe that's possible by the way.

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