After reading Long Yi, why and how to continue to decrypt Yi Ching ?

Matali · Oct 12, 2020

Hello !
I just read Long Yi's explanation in the shared readings : it's dizzying and mindblowing ! So I wonder if the texts of each hexagram and each line really correspond to something ? Example for 8.3: for me, it was the worst line of the hexagram 8 (with line 6) ! And in his explanation, it's the opposite... :spinning:

Well, what is his school ?

Trojina · Oct 12, 2020

He uses a completely different system so you can't compare it at all, in any way, to the way others here interpret. It's not mind blowing just looks complicated and is predictive.

moss elk · Oct 12, 2020

Bradford Hatcher referred to that system as,
"A mile wide, and an inch deep."

It generates completely different answers than the Yi text we know and study here,
and impresses those who are easily impressed by complexity.

Trojina · Oct 12, 2020

Matali said:
Hello !
I just read Long Yi's explanation in the shared readings : it's dizzying and mindblowing ! So I wonder if the texts of each hexagram and each line really correspond to something ? Example for 8.3: for me, it was the worst line of the hexagram 8 (with line 6) ! And in his explanation, it's the opposite... Well, what is his school ?

Re 'what is his school' he should have a link in his signature that will take you to an explanation of his method. It is in the forum rules that anyone using a method unrecognisable to most put a link in their signature to an explanation over here in Exploring Divination.

Trojina · Oct 12, 2020

You could also message Long Yi privately.

Trojina · Oct 12, 2020

I just followed the link in his signature and it takes you HERE

Matali · Oct 12, 2020

Thanks Trojina

, I'll go this closer... I am very intrigued by this because it is all about human relationships, men and women... And I think more and more that YI Ching is talking about this... and not if the cat goes into the garden or not

Trojina · Oct 12, 2020

Matali said:
Thanks Trojina , I'll go this closer... I am very intrigued by this because it is all about human relationships, men and women... And I think more and more that YI Ching is talking about this... and not if the cat goes into the garden or not

if the question is to do with a heterosexual relationship then the answer may be about that. But if someone asks another question, and God knows there's more in life than that to ask about, then the answer will be about what they asked about.

If someone asks about their cat there is no reason the answer would not be about their cat unless you believe the only thing that matters to anyone in the world is male/female relationship which would be a very narrow focus.

I don't know what you mean.

Matali · Oct 13, 2020

Trojina said:
if the question is to do with a heterosexual relationship then the answer may be about that. But if someone asks another question, and God knows there's more in life than that to ask about, then the answer will be about what they asked about.

If someone asks about their cat there is no reason the answer would not be about their cat unless you believe the only thing that matters to anyone in the world is male/female relationship which would be a very narrow focus.

I don't know what you mean.

When I say "men, women ", I mean the lives of human being... Heterosexuals, homosexuals and others for that matter ! I see hexagrams as situations in life, possible evolutions towards the best, defects, qualities, job, psyche and steps of self-realization....and the future somethimes ! For example, the answer of Yi Ching and Long Yi about this woman who wants to see her son, it is very surprising 58 - 8 : it is very different from the context... Well :spinning:

Trojina · Oct 13, 2020

I see. I didn't know what you meant by

Matali said:
and not if the cat goes into the garden or not

I still don't know what you mean by that ?

Trojina · Oct 13, 2020

Matali said:
For example, the answer of Yi Ching and Long Yi about this woman who wants to see her son, it is very surprising 58 - 8 : it is very different from the context.

Yes but I'm not sure what your point is ? What are you asking for in this thread ?

Matali · Oct 13, 2020

Trojina said:
Yes but I'm not sure what your point is ? What are you asking for in this thread ?

58- 8 : this doesn't look at all like the context of their relationship, which seems complicated...

Trojina · Oct 13, 2020

Matali said:
58- 8 : this doesn't look at all like the context of their relationship, which seems complicated...

I really don't know what you mean ? I don't understand that sentence. The person gave the context and the reading, they know the context.

You are discussing someone's reading in Shared Readings here in Exploring Divination. Why not discuss it on the actual thread there, why here ?

I don't know what you are asking about Long Yi ? Everybody gives different interpretations, we don't have to agree with them they could be totally wrong. You could ask Long Yi on that thread why he is giving that interpretation. It is okay to ask someone about their interpretation.

Long Yi is here so it seems odd to start a thread about him without talking to him first.

Matali · Oct 13, 2020

Trojina said:
I really don't know what you mean ? I don't understand that sentence. The person gave the context and the reading, they know the context.

You are discussing someone's reading in Shared Readings here in Exploring Divination. Why not discuss it on the actual thread there, why here ?

I don't know what you are asking about Long Yi ? Everybody gives different interpretations, we don't have to agree with them they could be totally wrong.

Yes I know... difficult to explain my thoughts (French, English, Yi Ching!) on this reading that I do not understand ... See you soon for new readings :rofl:

IrfanK · Oct 14, 2020

Where is this thread?! I'd like to know what this is about. No point reading the meta thread if I can't see the original

Trojina · Oct 14, 2020

There is a link in blue in post 13 2nd paragraph. But one wouldn't generally start a discussion here about a reading in SR because well it's someone's life problem. One also wouldn't generally start a thread about another member here without communicating directly with them. So I can't really understand why matali did this but there is a language barrier. Why start a thread about Long Yi when he is actually around to speak for himself.

IrfanK · Oct 14, 2020

And now I want to know if the cat goes into the garden or not. I do hope it's a happy ending!

IrfanK · Oct 14, 2020

Okay, got it. The cat only plays a cameo role. Hmm. It seems like there are quite a few divination systems involving hexagrams that are only peripherally related to the I Ching, if at all. Nothing wrong with that, just not the I Ching. I get the same vibe from this as when I see the fortune telling corner down in the big temple in the old market district in Jakarta. I also felt the same way when I read about the system that uses astrology to derive a birth hexagram and so on. Delightful! But too bad I don't really believe in astrology.

IrfanK · Oct 14, 2020

By the way, @Trojina, I thought about your comments about "trigram analysis" when I thought about this. I don't put it in the same category, but I can see how someone might.

Trojina · Oct 14, 2020

There's a link, as I said, in Long Yi's signature explaining his method. That's a requirement, forum rule if approach veers quite a long way from what most recognise as I Ching.

I don't know what matali is asking for or where the cat comes in or why he started a thread on someone here without including them.

I don't know what you mean re trigrams or what comments you mean but if you want to talk to me about it contact me and tell me what you are talking about.

IrfanK · Oct 14, 2020

Trojina said:
I don't know what you mean re trigrams or what comments you mean but if you want to talk to me about it contact me and tell me what you are talking about.

No big deal. We were talking about viewing inner and outer trigrams, with the inner trigram referring to the querent and the outer trigram referring to the situation she is facing. You weren't so enthusiastic about the concept. I find it useful, but as an add-on to the interpretation of the text itself, not as a replacement.

Trojina · Oct 14, 2020

No I don't think that was me, can't recall it at least not recently. Perhaps you would send me a link. Is it a CC thread ?

It has nothing to do with this thread any way. I think its possible you are talking of a recent CC thread where that may have arisen but I made no comment there. Yes forward me a link.

Trojina · Oct 14, 2020

It occurs to me the cat in the garden referred to might be connected to your cat thread in the free public forum, SR. It was there after all that a discussion took place about letting cats outside. Hence matali may have been referring to your cat.

IrfanK · Oct 14, 2020

Trojina said:
It occurs to me the cat in the garden referred to might be connected to your cat thread in the free public forum, SR. It was there after all that a discussion took place about letting cats outside. Hence matali may have been referring to your cat.

Hehe. It seems like there are a few cats on this forum.

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