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Dense clouds, but no rain. When there has been a long dry period, we wait for the rain to come, especially farmers. The rain is the solution for their problems with the crops. They see the solution coming their way, but it is not there yet.Passive Restraint brings about progress and success. We see dense clouds, but no rain coming from our western borders.
It is raining; one can rest, respected for one's virtues. Continuing to hesitate like a woman brings danger; the moon is almost full. If the superior man sets forth, misfortune.
Waiting intimates that with sincerity and firmness there will be brilliant success and good fortune. It will be advantageous to cross the great stream.
I appreciate the response. That's how I've read it so far though I'm not sure in what way the rain has come for me. Perhaps it's in a way I've yet to ruminate on.Hi Matrixman,
The way I see it is like this,
To understand line 9.6 I first look at hex.9 in general.
The title of hex.9 is Passive Restraint.
Dense clouds, but no rain. When there has been a long dry period, we wait for the rain to come, especially farmers. The rain is the solution for their problems with the crops. They see the solution coming their way, but it is not there yet.
In line 6 the rain has come
The relating hexagram is 5 Waiting
Using hex. 5 as context, I see this as;
By waiting the solution will present itself in your situation.
On a personal note;
Don't let the past influence the now and the future. Things happened and if you own them and take responsibility for it, what does it matter what other people think or say.
Be proud of yourself that you found the strength to overcome a difficult situation and don't listen to the peanut gallery that always will find a way to put people down.
Good luck and I hope this will be helpful.
No need to do more in regards to confronting people:It's been a few years and I've managed to gather opportunities for myself that I've always dreamed of and never thought possible.
That is what hex. 5 Waiting is about .That's how I've read it so far though I'm not sure in what way the rain has come for me.
My query to the Iching was essentially will setting forth on this journey yield a happy ending. One devoid of past failures tainting future successes. So is the Iching responding more so to my current situation in particular? In that the confrontation I have been contemplating is futile even though the question wasn't phrased as such?Appreciate and respect the progress in yourself & your reputation that you have made so far, no need to do more in regards to confronting people: in fact the advice is that to go an expedition to vindicate yourself would fail.
There isn't much wisdom in yelling,
"I'm not a jerkface, jerkface!!"
people wouldn't tend to believe that person. Right?
My query to the Iching was essentially will setting forth on this journey yield a happy ending. One devoid of past failures tainting future successes. So is the Iching responding more so to my current situation in particular? In that the confrontation I have been contemplating is futile even though the question wasn't phrased as such?
Thank you for the responses it truly is appreciated from my end.Yi is responding to all three things:
1-Your past.
2-Your present.
(appreciate what you've already accomplished, any rain/blessing that has already fallen upon you)
3-and the idea of confronting the people.
(the expedition would fail)
Even when our minds aren't very clear in our questions, we still get a response that is wholly applicable to what's going on inside and outside us.
To the moment of comprehension,My question is how far do I go in my interpretations?
Could the masculine and feminine be interpreted literally in the verses as in real characters rather than the spiritual concepts?
Yi has a great mix of metaphor and symbolic/literal.And could potentially the environment alter the text? For example in hexagram 5 it says It furthers one to cross the great water. In my situation there literally is a body of water separating myself and the people I was considering confronting, which is why I was a little bit confused as to how to interpret this.
Yes, dash it.I thought it maybe meant that wait to confront until the right time but does hexagram 9 line 6 dash that possibility completely?
Thank you. Your perspective is very valuable in my eyes.To the moment of comprehension,
It is usually recognized as a spontaneous, "aha!" Followed by great certainty.
If you aren't getting a reading, the lovely people here will volunteer to help.
Yi has a great mix of metaphor and literal.
Experience is needed to discern which line or phrase is which type.
If it sounds like a metaphor (the cocks crow reaches heaven)
It probably is a metaphor.
If it describes a pattern or action... that is often the answer, literally.
Sometimes Yi mixes up the genders and we still have to follow along (eg: A male receives 54 lines and it calls him 'the marrying maiden')
(Crossing the great water is a metaphor, as are the few compass directions mentioned here and there,
they are not literal)
Yes, dash it.
Grow beyond... the inner impulse to confront them.
You can move on and prosper without that burden.
So uh... some recent developments have occurred which changed everything about my situation. Essentially the situation has developed in a way in which this would be my last opportunity to confront them before I will forever lose that chance. I can't help but feel all these developments are more than coincidence. As a result of that I consulted the Iching specifically as to whether or not to confront these individuals, as I couldn't get the 'subtle influence' portion of hexagram 9 out of my head. I ended up getting hexagram 28. Could the situation to have waited for been this? As hexagram 28 points to a perilous situation where action must be taken. Or should I ignore this latest hexagram?To the moment of comprehension,
It is usually recognized as a spontaneous, "aha!" Followed by great certainty.
If you aren't getting a reading, write it down, take a break, go back later, repeat.
And you can always reach out to the lovely people here that volunteer to help.
Yi has a great mix of metaphor and symbolic/literal.
Experience is needed to discern which line or phrase is which type.
If it sounds like a metaphor (the cocks crow reaches heaven)
It probably is a metaphor.
If it describes a pattern or action... that is often the answer, literally.
Sometimes Yi mixes up the genders and we still have to follow along
(eg: A male receives 54 and Yi calls him 'the marrying maiden')
(Crossing the great water is a metaphor, meanings are involved in the few compass directions mentioned here and there,
they are not literal anymore.)
Yes, dash it.
Grow beyond... the inner impulse to confront them.
You can move on and prosper without that burden.
Thanks for the well thought out responses.28 situations are too intense,
the roof is going to collapse.
The advise is to get out of the situation.
Bradford- The noble young one, accordingly, stands alone and undaunted And steps back from the world without sorrow.
Notice this reading does not conflict with the 9.6 reading.
If you want to learn the hard way about ignoring Yi's warnings, you certainly have the ability to disregard the readings.
There was one time that I chose to ignore a warning from Yi.
It resulted in a car-tire blow out while driving. (near accident + expensive repairs)
Things could get more intense than you imagine here.
You are reaching into trigram interpretation, which can miss the forest for the trees. Roughly 3k years ago,What would the subtle influence portion in hexagram 9 mean then? I was under the assumption that subtle influence would've meant that I would have to try to reach an understanding with these people?
There's 9 for you.Or could that just mean working oneself?
The place to go is anywhere outside of the building/situation asked about that will collapseOn top of which Hexagram 28 says it furthers one to have somewhere to go
It not 9.6 And 5.so I assumed maybe 9.6 and 5 were telling me to wait for this moment to move.
I was thinking part of the confusion about the answer is the complicated question. What happens if you take the "or" out and keep the question simple?My query to the Iching was essentially will setting forth on this journey yield a happy ending. One devoid of past failures tainting future successes. So is the Iching responding more so to my current situation in particular? In that the confrontation I have been contemplating is futile even though the question wasn't phrased as such?
I honestly wish I could let go. The aversion comes from the pursuit and the nature of my transgressions. It's complicated but the gist is that it truly could damage my future if these flames are stoked.You are reaching into trigram interpretation, which can miss the forest for the trees. Roughly 3k years ago,
the trigrams were contemplated and assembled into hexagrams and the text was written. (there is no need to reinvent the wheel)
There's 9 for you.
Raise the chickens,
work on what you can,
polish yourself.
The place to go is anywhere outside of the building/situation asked about that will collapse
What many alcoholics fail to aknowledge and restrain is there own thunder/intensity.
(righteous indignation is generally much overrated, and often confused with things like indigestion or moods)
(I don't say this without reason:
I was raised inside a tavern,
I've worked as a bouncer.
much observation and experience here)
It not 9.6 And 5.
The reading is 9.6 (5)
I indicate this because you are ignoring the line text (which is where the answer is) and looking more at 9 and 5.
So, I'd ask you to reflect on this,
you don't have to answer here,
Why the aversion to letting go of it?
Will you cease to exist?
Something we haven't discussed is....
Do you really believe you have an acurate picture of all the past events?
Because, brother, I would wager you don't. Alcohol clouds *everything*.
And having made all the progress you have, your forward momentum,
if you were confronted with some ugly truth right now, would it be likely to boost you or throw you off track?
Do you need that?
And these people, what kind of temperments do they have? Are they vindictive?
What kind of reactions do you realistically think they would have?
Is there pepper spray or fisticuffs on the horizon? That would be a 28 scenario.
I am unclear about your question. Do you mean, "If I go forward on this path and confront the people..."
or do you mean, "If I go forward on this path without confronting the people?" I think you mean going forward without confronting anyone, in which case I think the I Ching is saying if you do that you may always be Waiting to see if anything is said some time down the road. That isn't necessarily a bad thing, it's just the way it is.
otoh, you might want to ask how it would be if you were to confront them. And as it sounds like there are several people you owe an explanation/apology you might need to ask about them individually. Some it might be good to talk to, others no so much.
btw, you use the word "confront" which implies you intend to be demanding, like, "Stop spreading those outrageous lies!" I think if that's your attitude now it might be better to Wait until you can feel less pugnacious.
Changing the question to a more simple "Can we reach an understanding if I talk to them" certainly yielded a far more favourable hexagram but I wonder now if the first reading is the most important? Should I ignore this hexagram? As I was under the assumption the Iching took the situation into account in totality even if what was asked was not necessarily phrased in such a way.I was thinking part of the confusion about the answer is the complicated question. What happens if you take the "or" out and keep the question simple?
I don't know if that means recasting. I never have a good result from something as nuanced as Yi if I'm not straightforward and clear.
Also, there is much good advice above.
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