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Hi Laurie,
If you have the time to do either one, which one is your preferred method of consulting the Yijing, stalks or coins?
L
Its so tedious I get it over as soon as possible
Its so tedious I get it over as soon as possible
Me too. Even though I carry a set of Han coins around my neck, I barely use them.
L
You mean Han... HAN or Han type ?
Han Dinasty... The babies hanging from my neck are well over 2000 years old...
If anything, it gives me a perspective of time where no matter how old I am, I'm still a baby...
L
I like this subject, tossing. I hold my hands loosely, like a sieve, (I imagine the hands to be a turtle shell), and shake till they fall out. This allows some randomness regarding when the coin will fall, and it helps me to feel the question, and deepen or explore my focus on the question.
I too experiment to find both original and new ways of tossing my yarrowstalks. My latest "invention" is eight possible results each symbolizing a trigram. The trigrams are numbers made of : = 2 and I = 3 so = 6 I:: :I: I = 7 :II I:I II: = 8
and III = 9 so each line of a hexagram is in this metod a trigram with the same odds as tossing coins. I think this method will help me to read the steady 7 and 8 lines, because they are like a development of three phases.]
Group readings were actually instituted due to the Book of Kau (chapter 24 the Great Plan):I gave a few lectures and with this method the people from the group made a group hexagram. This was really fun to do this way.
Odd is a whole line I (3) and even is a broken line : (2)
Three lines together is a trigram of (6) and I:: :I: I (7) and :II I:I II: (8) and III (9)
Six of such "line-trigrams" are together a hexagram of 7/8 steady lines and 6/9 changing lines.
waste of time - get the IC to ask YOU questions. Chris
Can you elaborate on that ? :bows:
I like this subject, tossing. I hold my hands loosely, like a sieve, (I imagine the hands to be a turtle shell), and shake till they fall out. This allows some randomness regarding when the coin will fall, and it helps me to feel the question, and deepen or explore my focus on the question.
I like to burn incense too.:bows:
OMG!!! NOOO!!! You should never, ever, ask Chris to elaborate on anything...
L
... But tossing has more significance... you want to contact "Heaven" and carry its "message" to Earth (landing). So, the correct technique might be to toss as high as possible while maintaining the coherence (the group of objects together in flight and at landing)... your accuracy increases when more you polish this technique...
... tossing was not always the way, there was hot rod cracking of shells and bones, flooding of ponds and leaves (or sticks), hanging of bamboo stalks (from where windchimes came), rope knotting and entangling, rolling of stones, drum and quake balls, etc ...
...there is nothing wrong with experimenting the older methods ... and why not new methods...
...the objects used must be in close contact with you as your question is, must be left to free flow, unattached to you and free in the flow of Nature to be "caught" or influenced by Natural Flow, then come back to you, so you can read them...
Much methods give results even when not well applied, and given that I Ching final results depends from a personal interpretation, results quality relays more on personal openess than on ritual operations. Most people prefers quick methods.
Now I have one set from the Qian dynasty (qian is the same character as hex. 1) and one from the Tao dynasty (same as Tao-Dao-road, ya know..). So I can use the one I need at that moment, Qian for when I need some action, Dao for something spiritual.
That does sound like fun!You can try the Nanzan method of wind reading the Jing: light 7 inciense sticks, let them settle (when all the smoke lines are straight) then wand your hand over them one time strong while asking the question and take note of the lines: straight (even if to one side or horizontal) is Yang, spiral or interrupted is Yin, is any stick is anomalous (no smoke or is flaming) substitute looking the seventh (which is always left a bit separated)
It is quite fun but also brings interesting results
Fast eyes needed though
Clarity,
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