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OVERLOADED ON THE BACK YET RIDING IN A CARRIAGE. YOU'RE INVITING ROBBERS. ZEST. REGRET. Ability unequal to the position is shameful. You invite disaster to yourself, who is to be blamed?
Two little love-birds are sitting on a fence singing to each other and advertising their happiness to the world.
六三 負且乘。致寇至。貞吝。
liu4 san1 fu4 qie3 cheng2 zhi4 kou4 zhi4 zhen1 lin4
Frank:... This is also the line place of personal passion (in the hexagram of sexual climax)...
Frank:
Are you saying that all H.40 belongs to sexual climax? Then «releasing» is allowing oneself to get the climax?
In this line the lover is lost because of excesive passion?
That makes me think some things:
- Maybe line 1 is only setting matters : «no blame», nothing wrong nor right, nothing about moral principles, only matter of facts.
- Line 2 could be the main promess: if your are shrewd you can get the jackpot.
- Line 3 could be a warning: don't be excessive or you'l be lost and you will not arrive to the 6th. line, the summit.
What do you think about?
Yours,
Charly
Frank:Hi Charly,
Hexagram 40 ... It is not just sexual climax, but sexual climax as the ultimate quiescent state which completes the set of male/female interaction as a social institution of marriage and the family... Hex 40 recognizes the importance of regular sexual relations (with climax) between spouses that both completes the courtship and powers the continuing development of the family as the foundation of all civilized society...
... The line judgment in the Wilhelm would then be a caution that married sex (the carriage of social approval) requires a change in self-development from the attitudes of the young man out on the hunt, taking whatever he can get and moving on. A husband who continues to think only of the pleasures of sex while being in the institution of marriage is truly blameworthy...
Hi Charly,
Hexagram 40 all and totally refers to the 10th hexagram of the set that begins with hex 31--the sexual attraction between male and female as regulated in proper courtship.
You're saying that 40 is exclusively about sexual energy? Couldn't you say that for all the hex's depending on context?
Topal
I agree Charly, though I don't quite see the distinction between practical and philosophical. From the analysis of the KWS this view of the hexagrams is both ultimately practical, insightful in 1100 BCE to the best our science can do today, and a sophisticate philosophy that can only be viewed with awe.But I continue having the feeling that the YI was less philosophical with more practical although hidden meanings.
Topal-- No, all the hexagrams are not about sex, though to the pure all things are pure or upon the context of sex everything looks like sex.
This set of hexagrams are about the social structures that take basic sexual attraction between specific persons and build from that marriage and family as the basis of society.
This hex 40 is about the vital importance of regular, satisfying sexual relations to maintain the working marriage and functional family. It is a similar insight to Virginia Satir in her final years and much of family therapy--if husband and wife fail in their intimate relationships a disruptive family dynamics arises.
Although now that I think about it, bad sexual relations are probably what created the need to learn forgiveness in the first place!
Frank, I didn't write sex - I wrote sexual energy. That is quite different. Indeed, "upon the context of sex everything looks sex..." But that wasn't what I was suggesting though you took it as such. Maybe you're not as pure as you think?
One could say that, according some esoteric gnostic fragments, sexual energy IS Creativity - it has no specific "centre" it pervades the human mechanism and intellectual, emotional and instinctual energy uses sexual energy according to our state of awareness. So, in this context, sexual energy = creativity informs the I Ching. It can be creative or entropic.
I think the beauty of the Yi is that it's many, many layered - multi-dimensional even - as I'm sure you'd agree. So, therefore, I'd say that this set of hexagrams CAN be about that - but they can also be about many other principles and interpretations. (just saw this: "All other interpretations of the Yi remain valid. It is just that the structural analysis gives the inner meaning of the Yi system and adds depth and color to the specific words used to interpret the text." - ok.)
However, I don't see any "maybes" or "perhaps" or "it could be" in your descriptions. If the Book of Changes is anything, it is constantly fluid - much like reality.
Topal
Hi Rosada,Yes, I think we are all developing our own plot lines as we decipher what the I Ching means to us individually. Frank is reading 40 as a guide to sexual relations, I am looking for what it says about forgiveness. So while I am fascinating to read what you have found in your studies Frank, that doesn't mean they need disrupt my story.
Although now that I think about it, bad sexual relations are probably what created the need to learn forgiveness in the first place!
When newbies come along, saying "why, of course, that is SO VERY obvious now" next year I will move on and accept being a has been from back in the day when there was no TV remote and folks didn't know the simple secrets of the Yi construction. Till then, let me enjoy my 15 minutes in the Sunshine...
Ey, Frank:...
My apologies, I took your remark as sex obsessed rather than sublimated sexual energy expressed as creativity. My Freudian roots were showing. Didn't Freud also comment about Da Vinci's sublimated gay sexual energy giving great creativity? Maybe he was just commenting upon his situation with Fliess.
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I thought my posts were like the ones citing the Chinese text to complement the Wilhelm, only from the structural analysis alternative...
Rosada:...
40.6
The prince shoots at a hawk on a high wall.
He kills it. Everything serves to further.
Again with the dealing with negative attitudes. Wow, interesting how only the first two lines are devoted to the actual forgiveness...
... Sorry for the tangent off topic, just a reaction to the off-topic reactions to the notion of hex 40 as referring to marital sex...
Frank:
Don't worry. I'm obsessed indeed.
Help me with the hawk. Maybe for getting married is needed to be fierce like a hawk.
Yours,
Charly
THE PRINCE SHOOTS A FALCON ON THE HIGH WALL. CAPTURES IT. EVERYTHING FRUITFUL. Having both wisdom and courage you can break the back of rebellion.
The masquerade has long been in progress, and laughing young ladies at last have forced the final male to unmask.
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