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Tohpol

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Any fresh thoughts on 11.6?

Looking through my notes I'm still hazy as to whether the defensive walls are no longer needed...Or...Is that the defensive walls are crumbling leading to a reversal in circumstances? Depends on context of course, but interpretations vary...

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I don't know how fresh, but I view it mostly as a stage, when after everything has reached a perfect state of equilibrium, the superstructure doesn't stick together and begins to crumble.

It fits militarily with the fact that 11.6 changes to 26: taming powerful forces; hence, use no army now. Just try to keep your own together peacefully.
 

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Any fresh thoughts on 11.6?

Looking through my notes I'm still hazy as to whether the defensive walls are no longer needed...Or...Is that the defensive walls are crumbling leading to a reversal in circumstances? Depends on context of course, but interpretations vary...

Topal

we were just discussing it in CC on a retrospective whodunnit ! you shouldn't have left .!

my current perceptions of it are often what you thought was valuable and maybe permanent and worth defending...suddenly isn't for some reason..which can be quite disconcerting, like the rug was pulled out from under your feet. You were all ready to go to war and suddenly no ones that interested in the cause. Bruce linked it the other day somewhere to meeting indifference..which i could certainly relate to in my own experience. Its like you had something valuable on the insideof the walls, but the walls crumbled, through lack of interest for there was no use so stoutly defending that which noone wanted to plunder anyway. In CC i said it reminded me of those stories of WW2 soldiers stranded on some remote island thinking the war is still on.

I think you need a little space and time to readjust in 11.6...it can feel quite disorientating...and then figure what you are going to do next. Hilary talks of going off to cultivate land in peace elsewhere...well it may have been in her commentary.

so yes i think the defensive walls are redundant..they weren't knocked down they just crumbled into the moat and walls only crumble when noone is concerned enough to repair them...and when nooneis concerned enough to repair them it often means there is no longer anything remaining there worth battle...all the energy or focus of the situation has gone elsewhere

In an nutshell i think its a time of readjustment..one can feel very :eek:uch: disorientated
 

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I agree with Meng and my comprehesion is:

Tai signifies prosperity, while Pi means adversity. Prosperity reaching its upper extremity is doomed to decline; according to the sequence, Tai will change to Pi if it continues going forth.
11.6 gives a warning that long built Tai has collapsed down like the city wall falling down and its soil returning to the moat where it had originated. It is recommended not to enlarge one’s territory, i.e. not to keep on developing outwardly, but to take good care within one’s own domain. If one still acts as before, this will lead to resentment.
Provided that this line can change to the masculine, the hexagram will become Da Chu: large storage or great restraint (26); storage means to enhance oneself (in order to make achievements), while restraint signifies to discipline oneself (with view to taking correct actions).

Regards
Tuck :bows:
 

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Hmm........

I just had this recently and for me it related to something I had worked very hard to maintain both physically and mentally, literally collapsing.

It didn't feel like a "stage" though (except in the grand "scheme" of things) - it was a rather shattering collapse and yes, as said above, what I was struggling to maintain just wasn't there any more.....

But as I commented in the CC discussion Trojan mentioned, I often see quite "dark" undertones to most of the lines in 11.

Lucia
 

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Hmm........

I just had this recently and for me it related to something I had worked very hard to maintain both physically and mentally, literally collapsing.

It didn't feel like a "stage" though (except in the grand "scheme" of things) - it was a rather shattering collapse and yes, as said above, what I was struggling to maintain just wasn't there any more.....

But as I commented in the CC discussion Trojan mentioned, I often see quite "dark" undertones to most of the lines in 11.

Lucia


Yeah well, that's pretty much it. The "peace" of 11 is the kind of peace one gets when you're free falling from the 54th floor it seems.

It's like 11 is smiling sweetly and benignly while it beats the living crap out of you. Like your aged, frail and rosey-cheeked grandmother suddenly tossing away her crutches and unzipping her dufflecoat to reveal her KIll Bill tracksuit and bushido blade. "Oh, I'm sorry - I thought you took two lumps..." FWiiiiish. (splatch) Sugar turns to crimson...

Dear God I am so very weary....:rolleyes:

Thanks to all for the responses up till now, will reply later while I navigate yet another "dark undertone" (tow)....

Oh, to sleep, perchance to dream...

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It's like 11 is smiling sweetly and benignly while it beats the living crap out of you. Like your aged, frail and rosey-cheeked grandmother suddenly tossing away her crutches and unzipping her dufflecoat to reveal her KIll Bill tracksuit and bushido blade. "Oh, I'm sorry - I thought you took two lumps..." FWiiiiish. (splatch) Sugar turns to crimson...

Por Dios Topal that's graphic but it made me laugh - the Kill Bill tracksuit - I love it! :D

Hey they Spanish for undertow - resaca - is the same as the Spanish for hangover!

A teenage boy once wrote me an essay about young people and alcohol in English which finished with the immortal line...

"....and you wake up with an undertow and you are f****d."

I know the feeling........................!

Hang in there.

Lucia
 

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...but ultimately I've found 11.6 a great chance to get some kip. okay its no fun at first really but later i theres a good deal of freedom from those walls crumbling...free to go and adventure elsewhere
 

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I'm looking at 11.Peace to be a summation of a story..
The final lines to read:

11.5 And they married and lived happily ever after.

11.6 The End.

26.Then this completed story is stored in the archives, our subconscious or maybe Group Consciousness. The judgement and image suggest a person can have the experience and learn from it, take it with him as he goes out in to the world (judgement), and furthermore he can tap into and learn from the past experiences of others (image).

Other thoughts..Also thinking 11.6 is telling us how to handle a situation when it's time to move on - relax and let it go - and 26 reassures that nothing is ever lost, we can take our memories, our learning with us, and also that we can learn from others experience.

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Or, it can be understood:

From the perspective of history, actually the marriage of 11.5 is a political one. The father of Di Yi of Shang killed the father of Zhou Wen Wong. After Di Yi succeeded, there were battles between them, and Di Yi had his sister wedded to Zhou Wen Wong in order to pacify the tensions between these two clans (although Zhou was defeated). Hereafter the masculine and the feminine (i.e. line 2, the representative line of Qian, and line 5, the representative line of Kun) mate and the crisis is eliminated; the world will become peaceful and everything can prosper; all are blessed with welfare and this is greatly auspicious. However, if this line is activated and changes to the masculine, the hexagram will become Xu: to wait (5), since peril lies in front, suggesting the truce is a temporary compromise if the crisis is still there; from the perspective of Zhou, people’s slack in peace will be the cause of Tai’s collapse (11.6. i.e. Shang perishes at the next position). However if 11.6 can change, it will be like Zhou Wen Wong who accepted his failure and didn’t take revenge but enhanced and disciplined himself for future correct actions and achievements.

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Tuck :bows:
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...but ultimately I've found 11.6 a great chance to get some kip. okay its no fun at first really but later i theres a good deal of freedom from those walls crumbling...free to go and adventure elsewhere

What is kip? kitchen in pajamas?

I see your point about relief from crumbling walls. Maybe it can be like "letting your walls down", letting go of what you had to work at to maintain a certain status or position or relationship.

"And so castles made of sand melt into the sea, eventually." Jimi Hendrix

"Down the street you can hear her scream "you're a disgrace"
As she slams the door in his drunken face,
And now he stands outside and all the neighbors start to gossip and drool.

He cries "Oh girl, you must be mad,
What happened to the sweet love you and me had?"
Against the door he leans and starts a scene,
And his tears fall and burn the garden green.

And so castles made of sand, fall in the sea, eventually.

A little Indian brave who before he was ten, played war games in
the woods with his Indian friends, and he built a dream that when he
grew up, he would be a fearless warrior Indian Chief.

Many moons passed and more the dream grew strong, until tomorrow
He would sing his first war song,
And fight his first battle, but something went wrong,
Surprise attack killed him in his sleep that night

And so castles made of sand, melt into the sea eventually.

There was a young girl, whose heart was a frown,
Because she was crippled for life, and couldn't speak a sound
And she wished and prayed she would stop living, so she decided to die.
She drew her wheel chair to the edge of the shore, and to her legs she smiled

"You won't hurt me no more."
But then a sight she'd never seen made her JUMP AND SAY
"Look, a golden winged ship is passing my way"
And it really didn't have to stop...it just kept on going.
And so castles made of sand slips into the sea,
Eventually"

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YF4-r2MpRMs
 
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A 'kip' is a nap, a little sleep(or maybe a bigger one, Topal needs one) The first thing one might do after all that 11 type activity....going with the flow can be exhausting...and now, when theres no need to keep defenses up, or keep that particular project on the boil, one is free to go..and so after the intial disorientation...would seem a good time before you set off for pastures new...to just lay down and have a good kip...why not, noone gonna attack you :cool: and all that defending activity, whatever form it took, must have been tiring..plus sleep aids the minds reorientation (of course sleep is not actually mentioned in 11.6 at all..it just seems a good idea and in my own 11.6 times i needed sleep first, before the next thing)

'Castles in the Sand' is perfect for 11.6, especially the warrior boy, that is soooo 11.6.
 
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Saw story of this singer on TV other night, dead now......the lyric, very melancholy, got me as i saw it that each day all concerns of that day were eroded, washed away..while i was watching i was almost thinking 36.6 but i feel theres 11.6 there too

"When the day is done
Down to earth then sinks the sun
Along with everything that was lost and won
When the day is done"

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Y2jxjv0HkwM
 

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... I just had this recently and for me it related to something I had worked very hard to maintain both physically and mentally, literally collapsing.
... I often see quite "dark" undertones to most of the lines in 11.
Hi, Lucía:

Don't worry for the things that have fallen. Of course, at the firs glance 11.6 don't looks very well but...

cheng2: city defensive walls
fu4: again/ to return
yu2: at / to
huang2: dry moat

wu4: do not
yong4: use / apply
shi1: division / brigade / troops // master / expert

zi4: self / oneself // since
yi4: city / town
gao4: to tell / to inform
ming4: destiny / fate / mandate

zhen1: perseverance // divination / omen
lin4: stingy / misserable / porca miseria


CITY WALLS RETURN TO DUST.
Defensive walls will fall.

DO NOT USE TROOPS.
Don't fight against destiny.

[THE] OWN CITY TELLS [THE] FATE.
The falling of the walls is telling a story of predestination.

OMEN: STINGY.
Sh_t!

A walled city (all the ancient chinese towns were walled) is speaking of the strenght of its enemies, then speaks of its own destiny.

But the walls are not the town, as the town is not the people.

True towns have no walls. Peaceful people have no troops.

Historic towns had walls and troops and were predestined to fall. No political strenght last forever.

In chinese history walls collapsed many times but chinese people continued extending. If defenses don't fall leaving people don't prospere. What have fallen is mere shell, the main is still alive.

And this is the good new.

Even more, lines 1 to 5 are not bad.
(to be continued)

Yours,

Charly
 

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Well, big thanks to everyone for that. I plucked out some of the gold as follows:

Bruce:

I don't know how fresh, but I view it mostly as a stage, when after everything has reached a perfect state of equilibrium, the superstructure doesn't stick together and begins to crumble.

It fits militarily with the fact that 11.6 changes to 26: taming powerful forces; hence, use no army now. Just try to keep your own together peacefully.



This fits. I'm in a situation that has, on the face of it, crumbled and sunk back into the moat. But this is more connected with my perception of the situation rather than reality. Keeping peace inside is pertinent and something I've developed well (though I say so myself lol) these past three years. Yes, another stage. Thanks Bruce.

Trojan talked about the other contextual possibility within 11.6 about defending something that isn't realyl worth defending - things have moved on, no army needed and no fear either. Just let it go and don't go against destiny. There is loneliness involved with that process but returns you to yourself. Paradoxically, when you are so used to struggling and fighting your corner the defensive battlements in life can actually prove a real impediment in relationships and life in general. It's like 11 is saying: Er...Topal. Umm..You don't actually need to reinforce the walls here...the situation is not ideal but that's all it is. You don't need to prepare for the picts to come streaming over the top...They decamped long ago. Put the knife down honey...lol

Trojan:

"I think you need a little space and time to readjust in 11.6...it can feel quite disorientating...and then figure what you are going to do next. Hilary talks of going off to cultivate land in peace elsewhere...well it may have been in her commentary."

Exactly right. I have to live right now by my own rules and very much "roughing it." Disorientating yes. Frustrating also as I feel I'm on the edge of something momentous.And when you feel that the anticipation a la 20.4 / 27.5 can often derail things. But you can't buck the process. It has to be gone through. It's very alchemical it seems with a lot going on inside: 36, 26, 34, 49.3 and 53 are the quarterbacks right now. Allow things to emerge. There's a microcosmic and macrocosimic season to all things and these "spaces of re-orientation allow you to sense them and act at the right moment.

Tuck Chang:

11.6 gives a warning that long built Tai has collapsed down like the city wall falling down and its soil returning to the moat where it had originated. It is recommended not to enlarge one’s territory, i.e. not to keep on developing outwardly, but to take good care within one’s own domain. If one still acts as before, this will lead to resentment.
Provided that this line can change to the masculine, the hexagram will become Da Chu: large storage or great restraint (26); storage means to enhance oneself (in order to make achievements), while restraint signifies to discipline oneself (with view to taking correct actions).


Couldn't see this clearly before but it seems it's a really perfect mix. It is both an unpleasant collapse in the sense I have no idea what to expect, yet the collapse was chosen - it was not unexpected nor avoided. And the idea of 41 and "enhancing oneself" with discipline. So, very much both of the ideas it seems. Yes, there is a lack of certain things - a collapse or an apparent decrease in fortune, but those type of defences are not needed anymore yet at the same time you don't let it all hang out. There's a process going on that you have to pay attention to before the 49.5 / 53.6 / 63 period. In my own situation there's certainly nothing about failure in this context as I willingly took the choice to change my life according to certain principles directly related to the principles of the I Ching and Taoism. So, the "collapse" is exhausting but desired as it is only focused on the external.

Lucia:

I just had this recently and for me it related to something I had worked very hard to maintain both physically and mentally, literally collapsing.

It didn't feel like a "stage" though (except in the grand "scheme" of things) - it was a rather shattering collapse and yes, as said above, what I was struggling to maintain just wasn't there any more.....

But as I commented in the CC discussion Trojan mentioned, I often see quite "dark" undertones to most of the lines in 11.


Indeed. The dark undertones are often a blessing in disguise however "from fire comes the light." I have very much had to have gone my own way (61.4) against all logic and rationale - really swimming upstream against the current in a way that seems ludicrous to others, for the same reason follwing taoist teachings seems crackers too lol. So, why should I worry? What's a little material discomfort? Struggling to maintain things that exist in our memories or our misconceptions...

Rosada:

I'm looking at 11.Peace to be a summation of a story..
The final lines to read:

11.5 And they married and lived happily ever after.

11.6 The End.

>snip<

Other thoughts..Also thinking 11.6 is telling us how to handle a situation when it's time to move on - relax and let it go - and 26 reassures that nothing is ever lost, we can take our memories, our learning with us, and also that we can learn from others experience.



Yes. But it's never the end is it? At least I hope not for my sake! lol.
But I like your take on it Rosada, especially about the group consciousness as finally it is never just about our own journey but the intimate connections we have with others in both the sentimental sense and in a very real non-linear, complex, beatuifully chaotic and creative sense, where everything fits as it should at precisely the time that it should despite the seeming randomicity and disconnectedness of it all. That Grand Illusion at play. In the end, whatever the circumstances, the peace is there within you having transferred itself from all those (sometimes necessary) defences; sifting the gold through the mud of trauma and suffering until we have the small beginnings of an enduring centre that can ride through any storm. That is the ideal. And when you are there, then perhaps you can act as an anchor for others.

At the moment I'm still a stuffed hare with a red spotted handkerchief all over again.. lol

Thanks people for the input. It's allowed me to gater energy for this period. (Dofting of hat).

edit: Oops. How could I forget Charly??

CITY WALLS RETURN TO DUST.
Defensive walls will fall.

DO NOT USE TROOPS.
Don't fight against destiny.

[THE] OWN CITY TELLS [THE] FATE.
The falling of the walls is telling a story of predestination.

OMEN: STINGY.
Sh_t!


LOL. Precisely. It's interesting that 11.6 is related to the idea of defences and material battlements or city walls. My own predicament is very much associated with the wandering of 56 and the search for a real home that has been found "inside" and now I'm awaiting that to manifest somewhat on the outside. Very much about allowing things to crumble in order to have the space for destiny to take root.

Yes. Meanwhile, as you gristle and groan about the temporal things you lost the danger is you become irritable and "stingy" with your freedom: Don't you know you been given a gift?? The Yi has said to me before now...(14). If you'd only trust the process...

Topal
 
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Maybe time to change the scale of your thinking, since the world has suddenly become so much larger. Horizons have receded. Maybe a whole paradigm shift that looks at the meaning of walls instead of the method of their construction. A time to think who you are and your place in the larger scheme of things, and then, as the text suggests, stay put and reorganize yourself.
This does not mean that the walls should not be rebuilt.
 
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Maybe time to change the scale of your thinking, since the world has suddenly become so much larger. Horizons have receded. Maybe a whole paradigm shift that looks at the meaning of walls instead of the method of their construction. A time to think who you are and your place in the larger scheme of things, and then, as the text suggests, stay put and reorganize yourself.
This does not mean that the walls should not be rebuilt.

That's about as accurate a description of my current inner / outer life yet I reckon.

11.6 is much clearer now after this thread.

Cheers,

Topal
 

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...but ultimately I've found 11.6 a great chance to get some kip. okay its no fun at first really but later i theres a good deal of freedom from those walls crumbling...free to go and adventure elsewhere

Actually, now I think about it (and am not actually IN it too much) I think you are right - a sense of freedom did arise once I'd got to grips with the situation.

Meng
What is kip?

that's as sweet as my not-native-English speaking partner once asking (with baffled look on face) "what's a cuddle?"

Hi, Lucía:

Charly
Don't worry for the things that have fallen. Of course, at the firs glance 11.6 don't looks very well but...

But the walls are not the town, as the town is not the people.

As 46.3 testifies......... gracias Charlie es verdad..........

Brad
Maybe time to change the scale of your thinking, since the world has suddenly become so much larger. Horizons have receded. Maybe a whole paradigm shift that looks at the meaning of walls instead of the method of their construction. A time to think who you are and your place in the larger scheme of things, and then, as the text suggests, stay put and reorganize yourself.
This does not mean that the walls should not be rebuilt.

In my particular 11.6 that is true - after some metaphorical kip (Trojan :D) the world became absolutely huge...............

Nice thread Topal.....

Lucia
 

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... As 46.3 testifies......... gracias Charlie es verdad..........
Lucía:

I go to take a look to 46.3, meanwhile, here's 11.4 as an example of no bad line in H.11:

pian1: fly fast /
pian1: fly fast /

bu4: negative prefix / not / no /
fu4: rich /
yi3: to use / according to /in order to / by / with / because /
qi2: his / her / its / theirs / that / such / it /
lin2: neighbor / adjacent / close to /

bu4: negative prefix / not / no /
jie4: swear off / warn against /
yi3: to use / according to / in order to / by / with / because /
fu2: trust / sincere / reliable // captive / capture / to catch /


The last character of the previuos line was fu2: good fortune of HAPPINESS and the reduplication 翩翩 pian1-pian1 with which 11.4 begins can be translated, I believe, as FLAP-FLAP = onomatopoeia, noise of BAT'S WINGS ... (1)


SAY, HAPPINESS FLYING AROUND YOU.​

A literal translation::


FLAP-FLAP.
Noise of bat's wings.
Flying happiness.

NON RICH ACCORDING TO SUCH NEIGBORS
... like the ours.
We're like any son / daughter of neigbor.

UNWARNED, ACCORDING TO CAPTIVES
.. like ourself.
Ignorant of our own destiny like any prisoner of war.


Moral:

Happy people is never alone. Happiness brings us brothers and sisters. When happy we are like all the humankind.

Richness makes enemies from our neigbors, brings us conflicts and bitterness.

Worrying about our future make us weak and shy.

Our human condition make us poor and ignorant, we are unwealthy and captives of our human condition. The sooner we realize it, the better.

Happiness is not lack of sadness, it's a way to trascend our condition.

BETTER TO BE HAPPY THAN TO BE RICH OR SAGE.​

Good omen the noise of wings, don't you believe?

all the best,

Charly

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(1)
The BAT, small, nimble, and smart, can catch mosquitoes, moths, and other insects, bringing benefit to the people. The characters of 蝙蝠 (bat) and (good luck of happiness) have the same pronunciation and tone. So, the BAT becomes an auspicious symbol of good luck or happiness. If a design consisting of five bats surrounding the character 壽 (longevity) or a peach, the design is called Five Happiness Holding Longevity. If the bats hold peaches or two coins, the design is known as Enjoying both Happiness and Longevity.

Source: http://cgi.ebay.com/HAPPINESS-LOVELY-BAT-LEAF-RUYI-ICY-GREEN-JADE-NECKLACE-/180497704550

P.D.:


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Source: http://www.speleobooks.com/stat.html

Ch.
 
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that's as sweet as my not-native-English speaking partner once asking (with baffled look on face) "what's a cuddle?"


And of course you proceeded to illustrate exactly what a cuddle was! Yup, international relationships and language learning - a hands on approach is always called for.... :D

Topal
 

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hi there all!

it's been a couple of years since I follow your comments and discussions but never got in to post or comment myself.

I am into the iching since several years, probably half of my life, but since the last 3, getting better at conversing with it.

I just wanted to add to this very interesting and enlightening thread on 11.6 that it was th reply I got to asking: What is after life? What is beyond life as we know it?

I think that all the things you say here pretty much resemble death (The End), and I wanted to share this reply I got from It with you.

It would be great to deploy further the idea of 11.6 under the meaning of "Death", I'd love to know your points of view on it, but I don't know if you will get the notification of my post (don't know yet how the forum works!)

Thank you all for sharing your knowledge. There's a lot of people out there who don't post but read, like me, and who are very thankful and appreciative to you and yoru contributions!

Looking forward to hearing from you.
 

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I don't know if you will get the notification of my post (don't know yet how the forum works!)

Thank you for posting, the_alieness. Yes, your post can now be read by everyone at Clarity. It is in the Clarity index as a new post (posted today). Members receive a post as email only if they have subscribed to a thread.
 

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Thank you pocossin! I am getting used to the forum "from the inside"!

I hope some revive the thread, I found it very interesting and enlightening to understand the meaning of the line, as a reply to my question. It's rather important to mention that when I make this kind of "essential" questions about life, there are always triggered by some real worry (in this case the health of a close relative), and in those cases I tend to feel the iching is more willing to give me a helpful reply at the moment. Some times I felt like if I had no real need to ask such "big" questions, the reply isn't that meaningful, or that straight forward in its meaning (probably because the iching was addressing y no need to ask, than the question itself?)

Hope to hear from you. And again, thank you all (which I know by name, and your personal visions, mostly, for reading you for so long).

|-)
 

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Six at the top means:

The meaning of a line (in my minority view) comes from visual features of the hexagram. A clump of grass

Code:
▄▄  ▄▄
▄▄  ▄▄ stalks growing upward individually
▄▄  ▄▄
▄▄▄▄▄▄ 
▄▄▄▄▄▄  the unity of the clump
▄▄▄▄▄▄

The trigram of the line is , the single covering trigram . These visual features in the context of ancient Chinese culture are sufficient to account for appended text.

The wall falls back into the moat.

perimeter, wall. yin chaos.

Use no army now.

weapon. weak.

Make your commands known within your own town.

law; people. Wall imply a town. Note a similar use of in hexagram 21.

Perseverance brings humiliation.

perseverance, humiliation.

Line 6 is a line of excess in togetherness. Proprieties (proper boundaries) are neglected. Line 6 is also the line of spirits. Things are so lax and indifferent that the town is becoming a ghost town.

I won't be accused of too much togetherness in interpreting appended text :) Anyway, may this interpretation give you some ideas.
 

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I need help already. How does li come in?

Li is the trigram of line 6. I was trying to show how Li's multiple associations (correlativity) led the Duke of Zhou to the ideas expressed in the appended text.

The original question of the_alieness

I just wanted to add to this very interesting and enlightening thread on 11.6 that it was the reply I got to asking: What is after life? What is beyond life as we know it?

is serendipitous because the top line is the line of the end of life, the time of spirit, as pointed out by Lise and (I think) Whincup. Li is a ghostly head
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like the taotie on a ding.
 

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Great motto

"The Unity of the Clump!"

Thanks Pocossin!
 

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This is such a wonderful thread.

Updating a thread that's really old, but I got 11.6 today and was browsing around Clarity because I could not quite interpret it in the context of my question. I asked Yi to help me understand the meaning of 11.6 and got 2.6 - Dragons fighting in the meadow, their blood is blue and black.

Hillary commentary for 11.6 speaks of farmers becoming farmers again. Returning back to a state of balance? Reminds me of a Zen saying - before enlightenment chop wood, till soil; after enlightenment chop wood, till soil.

Lise says of this line (2.6):

Dao is the field that supports and brings to life everything, all beings. Dao has no action at all of its own and that frees the way for creation and energy. When everything is receptivity, nothing stands between man and universe or man and god. If man can merge with a thought, an action, an ideal, then nothing can stop him.

I am beginning to think that the meaning of a hexagram may depend on the context, and in this context I think the Yi is suggesting to actually bring down the walls that separate man and god and merge with an idea, or an action. Much like the Zen saying of mindfulness and becoming what you do.

I think there are connotations of bringing down walls that separate - with compassion?

There are hints to surrendering with faith, ending the conflict, letting go of attachments (things we protect with walls), and just being still in the present moment, doing what needs to be done with faith.

My question was about which spiritual path I should commit to. I think the Yi is pointing me to Zen Buddhism. :bows:
 
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Maybe one could view 11.6 as the end stage of peace - meaning no need of armies - and the walls being unused and unneeded meaning "beating your swords into plowshares." No need for battlements anymore, as it has been peaceful so long. No need to worry about foreign invaders - just take care of your great and prosperous people!
Hence 11.6 > 26 "Raising Big Cattle".
-LL
 
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