15.1.3.5 toiling humbly

[kestrelw1ngs]

hello again,
lately I only feel called to share repeat castings here as they feel like something I'm not "getting"
And this place is somewhere that people seem to really acknowledge the inherent difficulty of life which may be what my idealistic mind is struggling against....platitudes and encouragement can only go so far as I set out into my 20s expecting almost none of the difficulty they have turned up.

So "modesty" makes sense as a repeat reading but there is some blockage in my mind to understand! I tend to be very literal which does not always serve well with Yi.

15.1.3.5 and 15.3 showed up repeatedly when asking about moving up to a new area into temporaryhousing. At the time, I may have misinterpreted the "humility" aspect to mean not to try, that i can only do what I am capable of and am not capable of much, very mentally unwell.

It felt like a kind answer but going either way of do it, or don't do it. Or, you will need a lot of help if you even try.

I do not have much idea of my own limits/capacity and this makes asking for help confusing at best...in some sense I have always been looking for some guidance on what to do and someone to step me through it, like a child in need of tutoring.
Lots of negative thinking that limits me to the worst and least capable I have been, alternating with grandiose fantasies of what I could, should or ought to be, or can do. In short my mind and reality seem at odds.

Today in asking about a painful relationship I received 1.6>43 which, yes, confirms that sense of being a reckless Icarus sort who doesn't know when to stop and tried to take on too much responsibility.

Over the past few years I have overstayed this current housing to the point my presence caused severe distress and harm. Seeing myself as victim of rising housing costs and life in general.

Acquaintances gave me several chances to "escape" but the Yi did not give positive readings on those situations, and for good reason as I didn't make enough money to afford any of those options yet...and felt afraid to disappoint new people with my mental illness and bad habits.

It seems I need to work much much more, and put my talents to use for $$ if I am to get out. Being caught in a cycle of people pleasing and guilt, and in general at the mercy of pretty severe ADHD/delusional thinking that has led me down rabbit hole after rabbit hole of abandoned ideas, every day is a temptation to just give up. Despite that there are nice things in my life, I wasted many of them by not Seeing and always living in the future where I am a successful artist/designer/do something worthy that contributes to society.

In this cast, these lines seem to indicate finishing something "about" where I am, and all I can imagine is an apology or restitution for harm done, but give the harm I have also experienced, that interpretation feels like it could be keeping me trapped.

Line 1:​

Humble, humble is the noble one,
needing this to cross the big river.
Good fortune.

Being humble in order to get something done that is not easy. Things go well.
(The big river is much stronger than you. That force needs to be respected humbly in order to cross the river safely.)

Line 3:​

Toiling humbly.
The noble one brings things to a conclusion.
Good fortune.

By working hard and humbly things will be completed. Things go well. If one wouldn't be humble, one might overestimate oneself and be satisfied too soon, not making the effort needed to actually finish the job

On the other hand, line 5 suggests that I need to apply force and get out.

Line 5:​

Not enriched by one's neighbor.
It is better to invade and grasp.
Without disadvantage.

One is not given what one does need. It doesn't help to be humble and stay low here, it is better to forcefully take it. This doesn't give any problems

Anyways this reading came up again after I asked Yi "give me a hint about what direction to take to make money?"
It answered 56.6>3, the ol traveler burning down his camp.

"What do you want me to do about 56.6!"
15.1.3.5

So the interpretation could be, stop trying to escape before you've finished your work (what is it then? 18.1...fathers corruption, probably not working towards my passions) or, just go and burn down the bridge (but then where do my cat and I go!!!!!!!)

I am trying to see the "right" thing to do keeping in mind the other person as in the past I have acted very grandiose and inconsiderate and with learned helplessness. However they punished me for this already, it feels over.

I would welcome outside perspectives especially line 15.3.

 

[Liselle]

15 isn't really humility or modesty the way we usually think of it, it's more like realism, being realistic, authenticity, integrity.

If I follow this correctly, your first question was "give me a hint about what direction to take to make money?," and Yi said 56.6: "The bird burns its nest. The wanderer first laughs, afterwards cries out and weeps. Loses cattle in Yi. Pitfall."

Then you asked, "What do you want me to do about 56.6!," and Yi said,
"At one in integrity, the noble one
Uses this to cross the great river.
Good fortune."

"Toiling with integrity,
A noble one completes it.
Good fortune."

"Not rich in your neighbour,
Fruitful to use this to invade and conquer.
Nothing that does not bear fruit."

(Those are Hilary's translations, to try to avoid the "humble" idea. But don't take "integrity" the wrong way, either. I don't think it primarily means you lack integrity in the sense that you're dishonest, immoral, underhanded and so on. Example: someone here got 15 once about a plant that died, and I thought it meant the plant lacked structural integrity. Realistically it couldn't live. Now also don't take that too much to heart - 15 doesn't mean you're ill. It's more the "realistic" idea.)

15 can also mean trying to find balance, and as the paired hexagram to 16, down to earth, not falling prey to overly-grandiose ideas, things like that.

As for what it might mean for your string of questions...have you ever given up a way of making money that in hindsight you would have been better off sticking with? Or maybe it's advice to keep in mind in the future. Of course it might not be that exactly, but somewhere there is or could be a nest you shouldn't burn that has to do with making money.

This part is a 16-ish sentiment, I think:

always living in the future where I am a successful artist/designer/do something worthy that contributes to society.

The idea of living in the future, imagining.

With line 5 in the reading I wouldn't say you can't accomplish what you want, but what's called for right now is more down-to-earth. Making a dream real takes a lot of 15-ish toil and stick-to-itiveness, in addition to the imaginative part.

Line 5 - not sure what to make of it, but it sounds like making a military campaign out of things, doesn't it? Maybe sit down with pencil and paper or the computer programs of your choice and plot your invasion. Do lists and diagrams and breaking things down help you? 3 is 15.1.3.5's relating hexagram - can you figure out exactly what would help you Sprout successfully?

 

[Liselle]

Another thought (I don't know if it's valid, but it seems reasonable) - 15 and 16 are a pair. Maybe use your 16 vision to motivate the 15-ing that's needed, and use 15 to move you towards your vision. They'd actually be working as a pair, then.


And of course in the meantime you do have to keep yourself and kitty fed and housed. That was your question, after all. Maybe once you have somewhat stable arrangements, it'll free your mind up for more of what you really want.

 

[kestrelw1ngs]

As for what it might mean for your string of questions...have you ever given up a way of making money that in hindsight you would have been better off sticking with? Or maybe it's advice to keep in mind in the future. Of course it might not be that exactly, but somewhere there is or could be a nest you shouldn't burn that has to do with making money.

Oh interesting, yes there have been many career ideas I've tried and abandoned more or less, and I just gave up on a path I've been on for years due to burnout.

My artistic career ideas also feel threatened by my increasingly volatile social media presence. Placing all the negative thoughts & emotions on my public presence felt quite 56.6 as it cut into ability to network and be trusted in the creative communities I crave entry to.

This is very rich as an interpretation, thank you very much

With line 5 in the reading I wouldn't say you can't accomplish what you want, but what's called for right now is more down-to-earth. Making a dream real takes a lot of 15-ish toil and stick-to-itiveness, in addition to the imaginative part.

Line 5 - not sure what to make of it, but it sounds like making a military campaign out of things, doesn't it? Maybe sit down with pencil and paper or the computer programs of your choice and plot your invasion. Do lists and diagrams and breaking things down help you? 3 is 15.1.3.5's relating hexagram - can you figure out exactly what would help you Sprout successfully?

Yes I love lists and diagrams immensely!

Often feel quite alone in the manifestation part of things though as my plans are quite communal or would require overcoming my tendencies towards isolation, poor communication, paranoia and forming trusting working relationships with an entirely new set of people who are on similar paths.

You are onto something with a military-invasion approach. Overcoming my significant emotional difficulties and tendency to self sabotage will require structural support, emotional support in close relationships, as well as discipline and accountability.
Not that I want to use people towards my ends, but a book is never written by any less than a village, much less the sort of projects these 16-style visions ask of me.

I have never felt very called to have children and these creative visions feel like planning to have a family/children. Which, if done with care, would imply longer vision, getting ready and finding somewhere to be stable and mature.

I believe everybody thrives with some kind of responsibility to tie us floating souls into this earth, and its been a cause of distress to feel strong allergic reactions to almost every responsibility assigned to me thus far in life....as if they threaten the idea-children.

Looking forward generationally provides a reason to exist especially for someone like myself born into a very "wrong" family, place and even body that requires leaving so much behind. Some days I feel so afraid I will drift out of life itself as I cut painful karmic ties.

Without a natural sense of belonging to my origins, there is an almost gravitational need to create purpose, connection and practices that keep me tethered to this world, to form a Real connection and counter dissociative tendencies to get lost in Ideals.

15 does seem very earthy (so humility, etymological root in humus, earth, could make sense, as in what is the material here? What are you working with?)

Thank you, your interpretation helped counteract my anxieties here and much food for thought