21.5 -> 25. Did I bite through too hard?

[poeticwalking]

Situation came up in the music group I've been in a total of 8 years over 15 years I could have (I moved away for 7 years in the middle but have been back for 5). I have been dealing with minimization and exclusion, even discrimination due to ethnicity in the group. I voice my complaints here and there, whether among others (basically trying to understand if I'm off...they agree generally but too tired to speak up for me) or directly if there's a person involved.

Recently a situation arose where several people in the group were accused of gatekeeping/exclusion. I wrote this was unacceptable (these were the most open and generous people in the group!) and I thought that their opinion was thoughtful and considerate. Then another follow up had comments on every person who had ever been involved in the group (or even! not) in some way, with comments on how OP was super inclusive, or X person wasn't etc. Some were even described as saying racist things, or minimized dramatically. All of those people (I was one of them) happened to be women which I did not appreciate either. I don't think these people making the accusations think of themselves as non-inclusive but I couldn't take it anymore, I felt the need to call out these actions.

I wrote my own history of the situation (others also did this) and wrote about the countless times I was excluded, minimized, discriminated against, etc etc. I contacted a few people (these were people not included but talked about in a negative way) to see their take on the situation (this was not the first time they were talked about in a negative way to prove a point, and I knew that things did not happen the way OP described) and I included their words, so not as to speak for them. I did mention an issue that happened to an ex member that was not public knowledge without their permission. That was not cool and I was sorry (they are both upset). I was also upset and only brought it up since I had the same thing happen (private communications from OP putting me down and pushing me out, even taking me off gigs) for the last couple years, and I felt triggered bc I knew about the other person's history. That still didn't give me the right, I apologized.

Anyway it's been sooooo quiet since then. I am afraid I will be fired though also maybe it's good also. I just feel despair as my personal life is a mess I've been holding together just barely and I have simply no time or desire to start my own group, I don't know anyone anymore other than these people, etc. There is no other group to play with in this area, it's kind of obscure. I love playing this music and there have been a lot of good memories there too mixed in with the bad.

I asked Yi "What are people from the group thinking about me right now" and got 21.5->25

My feeling is that although not the best way this was honest and important to share but it's hard AF right now and will take a lot of work to resolve. Some people have already mentioned apparently that we will come out better on the end of this, but I've not had any direct communication from anyone since.


Side note I was gonna bring a food offering to the next time we meet (If I'm not kicked out before then!), I pretty much need to bring Black Angus gold beef amirite? hahaha

Side note #2 I cast an electional astrology reading on this and had to throw it out- ascendant was between 0-3 degrees, situation is still in early stages too early to make a call...

 

[Trojina]

Anyway it's been sooooo quiet since then. I am afraid I will be fired though also maybe it's good also. I just feel despair as my personal life is a mess I've been holding together just barely and I have simply no time or desire to start my own group, I don't know anyone anymore other than these people, etc. There is no other group to play with in this area, it's kind of obscure. I love playing this music and there have been a lot of good memories there too mixed in with the bad.

I asked Yi "What are people from the group thinking about me right now" and got 21.5->25

My feeling is that although not the best way this was honest and important to share but it's hard AF right now and will take a lot of work to resolve. Some people have already mentioned apparently that we will come out better on the end of this, but I've not had any direct communication from anyone since.

You've asked what they are thinking about you, but I think Yi has commented on the question in the title 'did I bite through too hard?' You are asking what they are thinking about you because you fear you bit through too hard. I don't know what they are thinking but the important part of the answer is no you didn't bite too hard. How they react to you biting down isn't a measure of whether it was the right thing for you to do or not. They may not like it but still it was not a mistake


'Biting through dried meat,
Gaining yellow metal.
Constancy means danger,
Not a mistake.'

So this wasn't at all easy, being true to your values, using constancy brings you into danger and that would be the consequences you fear yet Yi clearly says despite any consequences this is 'not a mistake'. Can't say it clearer than that - you made no mistake in confronting injustices. Also something valuable, the yellow metal, is gained. It may be hard now but there are rewards for taking this on, you've 'done your' bit as it were. Saying what you said is also freeing ultimately (25) there's lots of issues there you have described that you'd want to be disentangled from and you have taken that step even though it was hard.

The fact you cast 21 shows there were things here to be tackled and you did, alone, so well done for that.

If I take it as a direct answer as to what they are thinking of you then I'd say they recognise the truth you've bitten through to even if they don't openly say it. Truth is truth it carries a force of it's own - in any case you've made no mistake here. You've taken risks, even on behalf of others (who weren't happy about it) and that's the danger but the person who takes it upon themselves to speak the truth and bite through injustice is often taking personal risk.

 

[my_key]

I asked Yi "What are people from the group thinking about me right now" and got 21.5->25

My feeling is that although not the best way this was honest and important to share but it's hard AF right now and will take a lot of work to resolve. Some people have already mentioned apparently that we will come out better on the end of this, but I've not had any direct communication from anyone since

You story shows clearly how deeply you have been impacted by what you see as having been happening in the group. Your concerns now centre around about what may lay in wait for you with this group. You have very limited options to practice elsewhere and feel drawn to continuing with them.

Your question focuses on what the group is thinking about you right now.
Yi could well be saying something along the lines that the group thinking is directed towards getting a better understanding of you through words and questions. There is a a welling up of old hurts and issues, many of which have been ignited by your actions that that have left many things still to be resolved. From their perspective there will be no easy route to resolution although some progress will be made though applying of new strict rulings.

The wounds opened for many run long and deep and the way this situation has blown up has brought about strong reactive behaviours. They will not be easily letting go of their position or their protection. Perhaps through your generosity of character you may find ways to work within their new rules that will allow you and the group to achieve an place of equanimity. However, it may well be that what you have to sacrifice in yourself to bring this about will be too great a price to pay.

 

[Dracon]

"What are people from the group thinking about me right now"
21.5->25

Hi there @poeticwalking, there are many messages stored in this reading. Hex 21 is about justice, and I agree with your interpretation, it would be wise to walk very careful now, because 21.5 is about being as objetive and impartial as one can be in such a difficult situation, so as no to get entangled in more serious stuff.

Hex 25 line 5 (fan yao) is someone who has to recover, and should not use medicine (boasting, pretending). There is an advise in 25.6, which could be easily seen as the way the change moves naturally, I at least use it as a possible prediction or advise. Some may agree to this or not, but if you want to check it out by yourself, 25.6 indicates to let go if we can not hold our position, or we will commit blunders. I am sure you are right on time to avoid them.

 

[Trojina]

There is an advise in 25.6, which could be easily seen as the way the change moves naturally, I at least use it as a possible prediction or advise. Some may agree to this or not, but if you want to check it out by yourself, 25.6 indicates to let go if we can not hold our position, or we will commit blunders. I am sure you are right on time to avoid them.

If you think 25.6 is a relevant to the cast it is not a matter of whether we agree with you or not but of knowing what method/reason you are using to get there. So if you intend to use this method in interpreting you'll need to write a brief explanation of the method and post it in this thread

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Then link to that explanation in your signature. That way when you use that method everyone will know how you got there without you needing to fully explain every time you use it. It's a forum rule that if using methods unfamiliar to most people there needs to be a link in your signature to an explanation of it. That is telling us how and why, you would look at, for example, a cast of 21.5>25 and then read 25.6.

 

[Trojina]

Thinking about it if it's the 'transitional method' you're using, and I have no idea if it is or not, you won't need to write an explanation as someone else has done it

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so all you'd need to do, if it was that method, is put a link in your signature to that post, if you are using it the same way as Prismatic that is.

 

[Dracon]

Thinking about it if it's the 'transitional method' you're using, and I have no idea if it is or not, you won't need to write an explanation as someone else has done it

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so all you'd need to do, if it was that method, is put a link in your signature to that post, if you are using it the same way as Prismatic that is.

There are many ways to get to an interpretation. The "transitional method" is one way to do it. Why did I include line 6? 25.6 is in the reading, because the whole hexagram, with all its lines is contained as relating hexagram, Here I used 25.6 as a threshold for the mind. Don´t land there, disentagle yourself before it creates more problems, because if you push the situation to the edge, any mistake could make the situation so much worse, you don´t need that. BTW, thank you @Trojina for your excellent work here on this site.

 

[Liselle]

Why did I include line 6? 25.6 is in the reading, because the whole hexagram, with all its lines is contained as relating hexagram, Here I used 25.6 as a threshold for the mind. Don´t land there, disentagle yourself before it creates more problems, because if you push the situation to the edge, any mistake could make the situation so much worse, you don´t need that.

Thank you for explaining. You'll need to explain every time you interpret in a way that isn't familiar to most people here. That's forum policy, as Trojina has said. The reason is so people reading can understand what you're doing and decide for themselves whether it seems useful or interesting, or not.

You can explain in each post as you did here, or if there's a method you use frequently, it might be more convenient for you to explain it once in the Explanations thread and then link to it in your signature. (Here's where you make one: https://www.onlineclarity.co.uk/friends/index.php?account/signature )

 

[Trojina]

There are many ways to get to an interpretation. The "transitional method" is one way to do it. Why did I include line 6? 25.6 is in the reading, because the whole hexagram, with all its lines is contained as relating hexagram, Here I used 25.6 as a threshold for the mind. Don´t land there, disentagle yourself before it creates more problems, because if you push the situation to the edge, any mistake could make the situation so much worse, you don´t need that. BTW, thank you @Trojina for your excellent work here on this site.

Thanks but as I said and Liselle said and I also said in pm if you want to go on using that method could you just write a short explanation in the thread linked to and then simply link to that explanation in your signature. Saves you time and gives everyone else clarity. If I use change patterns in interpretations I link to the explanation (as many won't know what they are)though it's not in my signature so you could just link each time you use it to the explanation and put it in your signature if you use it all the time. I have reference to Hilary in my signature because I'm always using her text from wiki and it saves referencing it each time.

 

[Trojina]

There are many ways to get to an interpretation. The "transitional method" is one way to do it. Why did I include line 6? 25.6 is in the reading, because the whole hexagram, with all its lines is contained as relating hexagram, Here I used 25.6 as a threshold for the mind. Don´t land there, disentagle yourself before it creates more problems, because if you push the situation to the edge, any mistake could make the situation so much worse, you don´t need that. BTW, thank you @Trojina for your excellent work here on this site.

Come to think of it if you are saying you focused on 25.6 only because it's a line in the relating hexagram then that's very random and not applicable. You wouldn't just pluck a line out of all the change lines in the relating hexagram to make it an important part of the answer.

25.6 just isn't part of the answer. With one line changing in the primary hexagram that really is paramount and with no particular method bringing you to 25.6 other than it's just a line in the primary hexagram - well why pick that you could have picked any line in the primary or relating to be just as valid. But the point is if you believe it is a useful way to interpret, plucking a line out of the relating hexagram and applying that as important then you do need to explain your ideas about that over on the thread we linked to.

Remember many people seeking help here aren't experienced with Yi so throwing in a random line with no explanation and putting emphasis on that line could very much confuse people at a detriment to their sense of the answer.

 

[Dracon]

"Remember many people seeking help here aren't experienced with Yi so throwing in a random line with no explanation and putting emphasis on that line could very much confuse people at a detriment to their sense of the answer."

@Trojina, let me respectfully disagree on "the random line" issue. The hexagrams are strings vibrating with each other. Its very complex, I understand your requests for more clarity. We are trying to predict or advise, it carries much responsibility, I understand.

Sorry, @poeticwalking, no intention of hijacking your thread.

 

[Liselle]

The hexagrams are strings vibrating with each other.

Reasonable viewpoint, but using 25.6 in an interpretation of 21.5 to 25 is not anything people here will understand without that sort of explanation. I am very sure of that.

You could write a few sentences in the Explanations thread along the lines of, "I see the I Ching as a complex network of strings vibrating with each other. Therefore when interpreting readings I might refer to a line that isn't connected to the reading in any clear, obvious way. For instance, in this thread [link to your post here], I thought 25.6 was important advice for a 21.5 to 25 reading."

Something like that, in your own words, of course. Maybe we could even call it the "Vibrating strings method." Then you could link to it in your signature to save having to write it out every time you use it.