3>7 & 42.4 capital cities, armies and getting established

[kestrelw1ngs]

a blessed new year for those who follow the gregorian calendar.

today for some appraisal of the RIDICULOUS number of problems, rejections and chaos in my life currently, I asked "what is it with/about me that leads to all these difficulties!!!!!!!!"

42.4>25

this isn't very clear but I do tend to get that "moving the capital city" line in issues related to sense-of-self and locus of control/power. codependency, etc.
one interpretation: due to openly communicating my values and moving my center of power, I face loss & challenge externally, but there is no blame...innocence? 25

second cast: stumbled across this charming fellow who has asked me on a few dates. so far, he appears to know what he's about, is from the area & well-established. he expresses interest, is in no rush to get physical, attentive, communicative. but more important i feel relaxed around him and no need to impress him. the dates have been a nice recourse amidst all the heartbreak, depression, and confusion lately of political organizing and poverty.
...but its easy to get ahead of myself.

"what do i need to know, if anything, about this guy"
3.1.2.5>7

don't like that line 2
"Difficulties bring things to a dead end.
Carriage and horses are separated."
BUT
after reading Hilary's article on hex 3, where she mentions it may have originally been a military image, not a seedling. had an AHA! moment. since i recently moved to this area....3>7....scouting and establishing oneself in the area, before settling on a goal and a direction.
might it be safe to say the lines may be less relevant than this transition? as in "you're still getting established and finding allies, don't settle on any one direction just yet"?

to quote Hilary on 3,

It is not often easy to live with ‘no direction’. The nuclear hexagram here hints at just how difficult it can be: it’s 23, Stripping Away, a hexagram of loss and often-excruciating ‘clearing out’. It, too, says that there is ‘no harvest in having a direction to go.’ The core need here is to clear the ground of preconceived ideas about where you’re headed, or even who you are, so that the new growth can emerge naturally and find its own shape. Consequently, this hexagram often comes as a reminder that you stand at the very beginning and are trying to predetermine too much, too soon.

if there is advice here maybe its that, moving to a new place is effing difficult.
thanks for any interpretations offered, as always

EDIT: correct line 3.3 to 3.2

EDIT 2: ARGH...it was 3.2. don't edit while sleep deprived!

 

[Hans__]

Hi
First of all, all the best for 2024. Hopefully it will be a great year for you.

42.4>25

this isn't very clear but I do tend to get that "moving the capital city" line in issues related to sense-of-self and locus of control/power. codependency, etc.
one interpretation: due to openly communicating my values and moving my center of power, I face loss & challenge externally, but there is no blame...innocence? 25

H42 is Wind/Wood over Thunder.
Both Thunder and Wind belong to Spring. In addition, both trigrams belong to the Wood element.
Spring and the Wood element are about growth and development.
In H42, you can see the life force/energy (Thunder) spreading (Wind).
Wind as the yin aspect of Wood struggles to express emotions and ideas. Wind as a trigram with a moving line tends to put things off, put things on the back burner, the attitude of "that will come later".
The inner emotions and ideas arising from Thunder are bottled up in Wind with a moving line at the 4th position. The effect is the well-known straw that breaks the camel's back.

Wind generates Heaven through the moving line at the 4th position. This combination asks you to take charge (Heaven) in communicating your emotions, your state of mind (Wind) to the outside world.
The moving yin line at the 4th position calls for taking charge, here influence on circumstances can be exercised provided leadership is taken.

The nuclear hexagram of H42 is H23 > This is indirectly about letting go of control; the process of Stripping Away in H23 is a natural one. Trying to control this process has disastrous consequences.
To grow, to increase, it is necessary to let go of control and also strip away the old. In this case, the "old" seems to be the bottling up of ideas and emotions.

Wind is also the trigram that sets things in motion. The initiative comes from Thunder and Wind sets in motion the process of realisation.
So the Wind - Heaven combination also shows the importance of taking the lead to set things in motion, not waiting for others to do it, but taking the lead yourself. This can range from expressing emotions (not expecting others to understand you) to implementing your own ideas.

This would be my interpretation. As always, take what resonates and leave the rest

 

[my_key]

I asked "what is it with/about me that leads to all these difficulties!!!!!!!!"

42.4>25

42 <> 25
'Augmenting' through 'Disentangling'
The difficulties can be seen as ways in which you are succumbing to, in some way, events in the outside world that challenge you. By coping and learning from them, having to adapt to things on the move, you are freeing yourself and nurturing at the same time (25). 42 carries a sense of development or personal advancement and indicates the shift in your perspectives that come from facing the difficulties allows you alter the stance you take for the future. Try considering each difficulty as a blessing.

"what do i need to know, if anything, about this guy"
3.1.2.5>7

7 indicates that the circumstances around this guy is that he carries with him a legacy of grief and sorrow. He perhaps views your relationship as being a way of gaining support to help with his confusion, but is struggling to organise the chaos he experiences on the inside.

He is struggling to bring forth the new him, and is fearful of leaving the safety his own comfort zone. You may be able to relate to this and how important support can be (3.1) in these early days. Als, if you can, recall how difficult it can be to reverse negative emotional traits that have taken hold. Sometimes apparent / superficial hostility is the best that can be offered to any relationship (3.2). His behaviour may change in small ways given time (3.5).

... of course, there may be other interpretations that make more sense to you.

Good Luck

 

[Liselle]

don't like that line 2
"Difficulties bring things to a dead end.
Carriage and horses are separated."

Kestrel, isn't 3.2 this?

'Now sprouting, now hesitating.
Now driving a full horse team.
Not outlaws at all, marital allies.
The child-woman's constancy - not bearing children.
Ten years go by, then bears children.'

A lot more encouraging, but I agree the reading's nicely in favor of taking your time, getting to know each other, everything you said.

 

[Liselle]

Well, you asked about him, not the relationship per se or how you should proceed. It's a good description to go on with, though, I think.

 

[kestrelw1ngs]

Kestrel, isn't 3.2 this?
'Now sprouting, now hesitating.
Now driving a full horse team.
Not outlaws at all, marital allies.
The child-woman's constancy - not bearing children.
Ten years go by, then bears children.'

A lot more encouraging, but I agree the reading's nicely in favor of taking your time, getting to know each other, everything you said.

Editing again:
I'm not sure how it got mixed up twice (lack of sleep?) the actual line cast was 3.2
I don't know why I edited to say 3.3
the translation on Ewald Berkers site has it:

3.2 "
Difficulties bring things to a dead end.
Carriage and horses are separated.
It is not enmity, but a love marriage.
The young woman persists, and does not betroth.
In ten years, then she betroths."

there are horses the "not (outlaws, enmity) but (marital allies, love marriage) as well as 10 years before (bearing children, betrothing). but its not the same line...is it? just a different translation?

 

[kestrelw1ngs]

Well, you asked about him, not the relationship per se or how you should proceed. It's a good description to go on with, though, I think.

yes, to be honest I did not want to ask Yi at all about it as it's going well and there's no anxiety about simply seeing what happens.
Which is nice to not have many worries.

But sometimes I don't see things clearly and thought might as well check...like you would ask a good friend or auntie to tell you what they thought of a potential partner.

 

[kestrelw1ngs]

42 <> 25
'Augmenting' through 'Disentangling'
The difficulties can be seen as ways in which you are succumbing to, in some way, events in the outside world that challenge you. By coping and learning from them, having to adapt to things on the move, you are freeing yourself and nurturing at the same time (25). 42 carries a sense of development or personal advancement and indicates the shift in your perspectives that come from facing the difficulties allows you alter the stance you take for the future. Try considering each difficulty as a blessing.

If I had read this last night I would have been angry!
But today, that makes sense. Not that the difficulties are a blessing w a meaning...but an opportunity to learn a new skill or advance how I handle my emotions.

7 indicates that the circumstances around this guy is that he carries with him a legacy of grief and sorrow. He perhaps views your relationship as being a way of gaining support to help with his confusion, but is struggling to organise the chaos he experiences on the inside.

He is struggling to bring forth the new him, and is fearful of leaving the safety his own comfort zone. You may be able to relate to this and how important support can be (3.1) in these early days. Als, if you can, recall how difficult it can be to reverse negative emotional traits that have taken hold. Sometimes apparent / superficial hostility is the best that can be offered to any relationship (3.2). His behaviour may change in small ways given time (3.5).

... of course, there may be other interpretations that make more sense to you.

Good Luck

Interesting.
I assumed he is more strong in himself, comparatively to me...maybe the Yi was talking about me instead of him?

Then again we do have some similar struggles shared this far. Mostly mental health. We are both deep into therapy, talked about it today and I got a clearer issue of how he struggles, but he presents very much with self-reliance and navigates with spiritual practice.

But there can be much I do not know.

 

[kestrelw1ngs]

Hi
First of all, all the best for 2024. Hopefully it will be a great year for you.

Thank you and the same to you. I am grateful for all your responses in the past year to my posts!

Wind generates Heaven through the moving line at the 4th position. This combination asks you to take charge (Heaven) in communicating your emotions, your state of mind (Wind) to the outside world.
The moving yin line at the 4th position calls for taking charge, here influence on circumstances can be exercised provided leadership is taken.

The nuclear hexagram of H42 is H23 > This is indirectly about letting go of control; the process of Stripping Away in H23 is a natural one. Trying to control this process has disastrous consequences.
To grow, to increase, it is necessary to let go of control and also strip away the old. In this case, the "old" seems to be the bottling up of ideas and emotions.

Wind is also the trigram that sets things in motion. The initiative comes from Thunder and Wind sets in motion the process of realisation.
So the Wind - Heaven combination also shows the importance of taking the lead to set things in motion, not waiting for others to do it, but taking the lead yourself. This can range from expressing emotions (not expecting others to understand you) to implementing your own ideas.

Mm. The issues I asked about have all come up when perceiving that I am in "someone else's domain" and hesitate to take leadership, protective action, etc. for example my car window being broken in this new neighborhood, or being rebuffed by a new aquaintance, or removed from a band.

There is some thread there, of taking back my own life from the attack, perception, or tasks of others...thank you for the analysis.

 

[Liselle]

but its not the same line...is it? just a different translation?

It's a different translation of the same line. You quoted Ewald, I quoted the translation Hilary used in WikiWing.

Just to be crystal clear - did you cast 3.1.2.5 to 7?

 

[kestrelw1ngs]

It's a different translation of the same line. You quoted Ewald, I quoted the translation Hilary used in WikiWing.

Just to be crystal clear - did you cast 3.1.2.5 to 7?

Yes, that is what I cast. 3.1.2.5>7