32.1.2.5.6>13 Do Things Differently? Man Endures

[thisismybody]

Q: Is there anything I should do differently in relation to X?
A: 32.1.2.5.6>13

Lasting to People in Harmony
32- Lasting
___ ___ Heaven
___ ___ Heaven
_______ Man
_______ Man
_______ Earth
___ ___ Earth

13 - People in Harmony
_______ Heaven
_______ Heaven
_______ Man
_______ Man
___ ___ Earth
_______ Earth

After looking at the lines, I thought it was interesting that both "heaven" and "earth" change completely. Heaven as yin changes to yang. Earth as yang/yin changes to yin/yang. "Man" stays the same. It's like the hexagram 32 itself. Seasons change, but what endures in man does not. Whether a path, a commitment, her Tao. So what does that mean to the relating hexagram, 13? Does this 32 to 13 change pattern reveal the character of 32 through 13--such that man should not change in her direction here?

As far as my reading, I should hold steady, with lots of caveats. The lines telling a story. And what about 13.3.4? Maybe that's important too? In the lines, man climbs a mound and a wall. From wikiwing on 13.3:

I see there are two schools of thought on what one should do, given the state of mistrust. I tend to think Yi is advising bold action to overcome the distrust and join in harmony. -- Ginnie

Man climbs a high mound with a weapon, does nothing for 3 years (13.3), and then realizes "no one is capable of attack" (13.4). Maybe having robust defenses does not mean being armed? How can we be in harmony with people here? Dis-trust is dis-harmony.

13.3 >25 affirms dis-entanglement. The opposite character of the line. One is "entangled" in inner turmoil on that mound. Very non-25.

13.4 >37 affirms harmony with people who are in the "home" or those within our walls. We have man climbing a wall in 13.4, while she should be within her walls, inviting people to join in a harmonious supper. Also from wikiwing:

It might help to think of these walls as like the dividing partitions within the home rather than around it. They are defining a space for you, a space for me; if we're each in our own space and know what it is, there's nothing to fight about.

13 zhi Hexagram 37, People in Harmony as People in the Home. Domestic security and peace.

Two states we don't want to achieve in 13: Entanglement on that high mound, fearful thoughts and people in disharmony; and dis-trust of those we should be in harmony with, 37, as "family" or our inner circle.

But maybe it's not just about not fighting, not being in conflict, but the opposite? Maybe it's about striving for peace and harmony. Peace is a path. Without lasting in it, there is no path.

The heart is also a home. Those we love live "there." How would the lines look if line 13.3 was facing 13.4 as two people sitting on the edges of their hearts, like sitting on fences? No 32 sitting on fences. Line 4 is closer to reconciliation, I suppose. Or what if the walls of the mound and the city was also in the heart? Closed heart. Failure of loyalty and commitment. No one should or would be expected to commit to someone she doesn't trust.

Maybe love is being invited into the inner space, the home of the heart, the space within where the holy of holies exists? This is the inner sanctuary where God lives. Isn't God also known as the one who existed before time? "I am that I am." God, as Tao, is eternal. Very 32. As a spiritual hexagram, as a circle traveled indefinitely, 32 defines marriage as a permanency. Vows are made to the Eternal One, promised to be kept, and meant and expected to be made from the heart. It seems "heart," "Tao," "God," and "Lasting" are synonymous.

"Follow your heart." "He has a lot of heart." "God lives in the heart."

Anyway, just some thoughts. I'm curious if any of this resonates with anyone else...:bows:

 

[thisismybody]

Also, in the Jewish tradition, the bride walks around the groom. The circle as the symbol of their bond. Breaking a bond through ritual can include breaking a stick to signify the release or breaking of the bond or vow.

 

[loverofknowledge]

This is interesting and it looks like your method has allowed you to inquire and find resonating truths, for your own understanding, and in terms of the situation that faces you.
I question one of your premises: reading the changing lines for the relating hexagram 13 , where the changing lines for hexagram 32 seem more important if I understand your throw correctly.
it's hard to give my opinion since it seems like you've found what you need. So I 'm just curious about the premise (reading the changing lines of the relating hexagram). My understanding is that such lines would be "shadow" qualities and in any case be secondary in a consultation.

 

[thisismybody]

Hi,

I didn't mean to use the relating hex and lines as an answer. I was also thinking of it as a shadow to the hexagram. I looked at what did not change in the hexes. So I should also look at 32.3.4, in that case. I meant to relate the importance of heart and tried to make a circle journey to do so.

Syncronistically, I came across A Course of Love at the bookstore. I came to pick up some journals and ran across it. What stuck out is that it's about getting mind in communion with heart. It's by Take Heart Publications. The explanation of the cover emblem is as follows:

The Union of which this Course speaks inspired the cover emblem, which is modeled after the Angel's Trumpet, a large flower with five petals that spiral as they unfurl. It hangs downward, facing earth. By day it's beauty is fully displayed, but it is at night that it's exquisite, delicate perfume is released. This act of creation, equally embracing both light and dark, suggests the joining of heaven and earth.

I meant to point out that the heart and man acting through the unchanged lines points to the enduring nature of the hexagram. Simply, those two unchanging lines give us 13. 13 somehow enlightens the meaning of 32 through these unchanging lines, because the two center lines, which is man, does not change. But heaven and earth, the upper two and lower two lines do change. 32 has been described as what doesn't change despite the seasons and things that change. I pointed out that it feels like 13 as relating has a special relation to 32 because of this. That's why I used a visual of them. I still haven't fully fleshed it.

 

[thisismybody]

Make sense? Heaven and earth as upper two and lower two lines house man. He's central and does not change. Only in 13 as relating hex does he not change while all around him changes completely. In hex 32. And as a characteristic of the hex itself. Enduring.

 

[thisismybody]

Image:

'Thunder and wind, persevering.
A noble one thus stands firm and does not change his bearings.'

(‘Not changing bearings’ translation from Bradford Hatcher[1].)

In all the changeability of thunder and wind, the noble one holds to a single direction. Like using a sail to continue on your chosen course even when the wind changes. (Probably an anachronistic thought about sails.) Everything he does goes in the same direction; all energies translate into the same purpose.

Was I clear?

 

[thisismybody]

Duh. 32.3.4 don't allow for Lasting! "Man" can't change and continue his lasting path. Harmony comes in absent these two lines. Staring me in the face!

 

[loverofknowledge]

Yes, I got that part of your reasoning. I was just not clear why you were giving more attention to the changing lines in 13 than to the changing lines in 32.
quite impactful

 

[Tim K]

I just read your post, and then stumbled upon this photo by HuHu Lin.

http://photo.net/photodb/photo?photo_id=5753873

 

[Tim K]

I think the answer is, just by looking at 32 and 13 without the lines, and also at the opposing 32 - 7,
is that you need to rethink your relationship with X, change the overall approach/strategy.
Love ties can not be forced upon other person (32-7), the desire for union should come on its own accord, from both parties equally (13, Men meet in the open field, as equals).

.1 and .2 say don't push other person into it, .5 .6 say stop dragging yourself through it when it's over.
Find a proper balance.

 

[thisismybody]

Loverofknowledge, I agree. Not sure why I gave more to 13. I guess it somehow adds to the story because of the background relationship. Seeing 13.3 and 13.4 sitting on their fences.

I still feel with the change lines in 32, 13 has a right relationship with it. Anyway, the reading impacted me quite a bit. Thanks for reading it.

If I could simply state things, I'd say 13 creates harmony with 32 when "man" isn't 32.3.4-ing the situation!

 

[thisismybody]

Thanks, ashteroid. I love the pic and the idea to find a balance. I'll have to think more about what you've written. So despite 32 as main hex, you think I should rethink my approach?

 

[Tim K]

Yes I think so.
It would be just 32 - to keep things as they are, not changing anything.
But you've got 4 changing lines - so there are things to amend and alter.

And with 13 - find some common ground, be more open and equal I suppose.

 

[thisismybody]

Btw, my current approach IS about not forcing and leaving a space in the open field for relating. To me it says, stick to your guns. Keep walking the path. Don't abandon what's right. But remain open-hearted, not distrustful, but in harmony and at peace with all who approach you. The fact that 32.3.4 did not change says to me to last in my current path and remain in my Tao. Yi is deep. I'm trying to extract both the simple and what's hidden and wanting to be revealed in the images.

 

[thisismybody]

Ah, we crossed posts. Yes, I agree. I thought the same of the changing lines. Amend some things, but remain steady.