33.2 > 44 relationship

[Now4d4]

I don't know if it's better to break a business contact with a partner or not. The partnership is stifling but ambivalent for me, so I asked YI and the following hex came:

33.2> 44

Retreat, I think the message is clear.
The second line means that she wants the connection and she holds it. But can this be good for me?

Sign 44 - is about the nature of a relationship. Fanyao line 2 says that the problem can be that I did not control her. Can I do it now?
Slow withdrawing or immediate interruption can be the best way for me? Or any of these?


Thank you for any advice!

 

[breakmov]

Hi Now4d4,


"I don't know if it's better to break a business contact with a partner or not. The partnership is stifling but ambivalent for me, so...."



You didn't leave the exact question, but I'll assume it will be something like "what to do about this partnership?"

33.2>44
I see it this way:
Line 2 shows a phase of hex33 that still has "a neutral weighting" in relation to the theme "withdrawal" - there is not yet that determined need/decision of withdrawal. It is a line that shows personal independence, with some apprehension, but made of discipline and a certain openness to see what is, and will, happen.

Imagine a situation in the "naked attraction" TV show. Both people decide to go to the program, to expose themselves, they don't know if it will work or not, all they have to do is control the apprehension they feel and predispose themselves to be open to this experience, to this "Chance Encounter" .

This will be the basic standard to take out of any situation 33.2>44 .

Notice that in this situation there is a "partnership" and therefore, I personally would give more weight to "look at the partnership" and not to the "me versus the other". But this is your situation and only you will know what to do.



Cheers,


breakmov

 

[Now4d4]

Dear breakmov, yes you are right, that was my question Thanks for your thoughts. I think I was really ready to connect in several ways, exectly thats why I asked YI, I let this relationship grow in it's way for months but I feel discomfort in it, I don't feel this would be right for me at the and, just every time I am uncertain because little benefits...So maybe Yi advice me to wait more? Hmmm...

 

[Trojina]

The answer doesn't suggest you wait it is merely saying this connection isn't one that can be terminated through anything like a decision. Even if you decide to terminate it the connection will remain on some level. This connects to 44 because of the very intrusiveness of the persistence of the bond.

I don't know if it's better to break a business contact with a partner or not. The partnership is stifling but ambivalent for me, so I asked YI and the following hex came:

33.2> 44

Retreat, I think the message is clear.
The second line means that she wants the connection and she holds it. But can this be good for me?

I think it describes what's happening between you, the source of which may be beyond either of you. You can't clearly definitively withdraw from this but you cannot lay the cause for that all at her door, it just is as it is.

Sign 44 - is about the nature of a relationship. Fanyao line 2 says that the problem can be that I did not control her. Can I do it now?
Slow withdrawing or immediate interruption can be the best way for me? Or any of these?

I don't think the fan yao says the problem is you didn't control her. You can't control her, that's the point of 44. Also the fan yao is not your answer it is just a mirror image of your answer. 44 might indicate your seeming unwillingness in this in that you find it intrusive but your own thoughts can be intrusive so it seems likely to me this is at least as much to do with you as her.

There is no 'best way' in 33.2, it's out of your control

Hilary's translation

'Using yellow rawhide to bind it,
It will never be capable of getting loose.'


So it is not capable of loosing, you can't untie it. This doesn't mean you can't say you are done with it it's just even if you do you will be still tied to her or the project in some way even on a mental level.

I think 33.2 asks you to be clear about what you think you are withdrawing from and then asks you is it possible ? Perhaps this is a part of you that will be with you wherever you go in which case presenting it to yourself as a narrative where she holds onto you and you don't want it sort of comes undone.

So the question is not clear but something like what to do about the relationship becasue you feel both stifled but ambivalent ?

You can't emotionally opt out of this really, you are tied there. Not because. she forces you to be but because, well, you are connected up with this thing you do together .

So what are you going to do or feel about that reality ? This really isn't a question of going or staying when you are already tied up so tight. Maybe you just need to reflect on that for a while, just sense the reality of that and then see ?

I think this answer calls for a paradigm shift, the way you have presented it to yourself does not include the reality of what is really happening here. You may withdraw from some aspects of this whole thing but it really isn't easy or even possible to withdraw from the whole of it emotionally because it's part of you, or has become so much part of you severing from it is like asking yourself to be severed from your own life or your own history.

 

[breakmov]

"...So maybe Yi advice me to wait more? Hmmm... "

The advice is not to wait or endure a situation where there is a visible discomfort, without anything else.
The advice in situation 33.2>44 also implies a need to relate openly to this problem that is causing the discomfort - it is more like: "let me see this that is causing discomfort, let me relate openly, let me interact and understand if this partnership is healthy enough to continue". It's an interaction of both members of the partnership.

You see, it's not yet the time to escape, to save yourselves from the situation, but neither is it the time to sit back and wait for something, you don't know what, fix the situation.

"Imagine" the amount of business and partnerships being put to the test with this worldwide pandemic of the covid:
There are fixed bills to pay every month, the flow of customers has changed dramatically.
-How many of these businesses will be able to resist?
-Where is the line that defines "holding the business" ...or... closing to save yourself from greater misfortune?

Yijing, showed 33.2>44 as the best advice for the problem you posed. This advice, if acted upon, will always be something that will lead to a more wise partnership. This advice has nothing of personal certainty or comfort. - No advice from yijing will give you guarantees of a future, crystallized and free of anxieties. Yijing shows, above all, change with wisdom.


Cheers,

breakmov

 

[moss elk]

The partnership is stifling but ambivalent for me.

Ambivalance:
The simultaneous existence of two conflicting feelings/emotions around the same subject.


I don't think there is a better word in the English language to describe 33.2 (44)
Where Retreat & Coming to meet both exist.

 

[Now4d4]

Dear Trojina,
thank you so much for your thought - that made me look at this situation on an other point of view. There is something similarity between this partnership and my relationship to my father - maybe that's why I can not withdraw from this easily.

The answer doesn't suggest you wait it is merely saying this connection isn't one that can be terminated through anything like a decision. Even if you decide to terminate it the connection will remain on some level. This connects to 44 because of the very intrusiveness of the persistence of the bond.





I think it describes what's happening between you, the source of which may be beyond either of you. You can't clearly definitively withdraw from this but you cannot lay the cause for that all at her door, it just is as it is.







I don't think the fan yao says the problem is you didn't control her. You can't control her, that's the point of 44. Also the fan yao is not your answer it is just a mirror image of your answer. 44 might indicate your seeming unwillingness in this in that you find it intrusive but your own thoughts can be intrusive so it seems likely to me this is at least as much to do with you as her.

There is no 'best way' in 33.2, it's out of your control

Hilary's translation

'Using yellow rawhide to bind it,
It will never be capable of getting loose.'


So it is not capable of loosing, you can't untie it. This doesn't mean you can't say you are done with it it's just even if you do you will be still tied to her or the project in some way even on a mental level.

I think 33.2 asks you to be clear about what you think you are withdrawing from and then asks you is it possible ? Perhaps this is a part of you that will be with you wherever you go in which case presenting it to yourself as a narrative where she holds onto you and you don't want it sort of comes undone.

So the question is not clear but something like what to do about the relationship becasue you feel both stifled but ambivalent ?

You can't emotionally opt out of this really, you are tied there. Not because. she forces you to be but because, well, you are connected up with this thing you do together .

So what are you going to do or feel about that reality ? This really isn't a question of going or staying when you are already tied up so tight. Maybe you just need to reflect on that for a while, just sense the reality of that and then see ?

I think this answer calls for a paradigm shift, the way you have presented it to yourself does not include the reality of what is really happening here. You may withdraw from some aspects of this whole thing but it really isn't easy or even possible to withdraw from the whole of it emotionally because it's part of you, or has become so much part of you severing from it is like asking yourself to be severed from your own life or your own history.

The answer doesn't suggest you wait it is merely saying this connection isn't one that can be terminated through anything like a decision. Even if you decide to terminate it the connection will remain on some level. This connects to 44 because of the very intrusiveness of the persistence of the bond.





I think it describes what's happening between you, the source of which may be beyond either of you. You can't clearly definitively withdraw from this but you cannot lay the cause for that all at her door, it just is as it is.







I don't think the fan yao says the problem is you didn't control her. You can't control her, that's the point of 44. Also the fan yao is not your answer it is just a mirror image of your answer. 44 might indicate your seeming unwillingness in this in that you find it intrusive but your own thoughts can be intrusive so it seems likely to me this is at least as much to do with you as her.

There is no 'best way' in 33.2, it's out of your control

Hilary's translation

'Using yellow rawhide to bind it,
It will never be capable of getting loose.'


So it is not capable of loosing, you can't untie it. This doesn't mean you can't say you are done with it it's just even if you do you will be still tied to her or the project in some way even on a mental level.

I think 33.2 asks you to be clear about what you think you are withdrawing from and then asks you is it possible ? Perhaps this is a part of you that will be with you wherever you go in which case presenting it to yourself as a narrative where she holds onto you and you don't want it sort of comes undone.

So the question is not clear but something like what to do about the relationship becasue you feel both stifled but ambivalent ?

You can't emotionally opt out of this really, you are tied there. Not because. she forces you to be but because, well, you are connected up with this thing you do together .

So what are you going to do or feel about that reality ? This really isn't a question of going or staying when you are already tied up so tight. Maybe you just need to reflect on that for a while, just sense the reality of that and then see ?

I think this answer calls for a paradigm shift, the way you have presented it to yourself does not include the reality of what is really happening here. You may withdraw from some aspects of this whole thing but it really isn't easy or even possible to withdraw from the whole of it emotionally because it's part of you, or has become so much part of you severing from it is like asking yourself to be severed from your own life or your own history.

The answer doesn't suggest you wait it is merely saying this connection isn't one that can be terminated through anything like a decision. Even if you decide to terminate it the connection will remain on some level. This connects to 44 because of the very intrusiveness of the persistence of the bond.





I think it describes what's happening between you, the source of which may be beyond either of you. You can't clearly definitively withdraw from this but you cannot lay the cause for that all at her door, it just is as it is.







I don't think the fan yao says the problem is you didn't control her. You can't control her, that's the point of 44. Also the fan yao is not your answer it is just a mirror image of your answer. 44 might indicate your seeming unwillingness in this in that you find it intrusive but your own thoughts can be intrusive so it seems likely to me this is at least as much to do with you as her.

There is no 'best way' in 33.2, it's out of your control

Hilary's translation

'Using yellow rawhide to bind it,
It will never be capable of getting loose.'


So it is not capable of loosing, you can't untie it. This doesn't mean you can't say you are done with it it's just even if you do you will be still tied to her or the project in some way even on a mental level.

I think 33.2 asks you to be clear about what you think you are withdrawing from and then asks you is it possible ? Perhaps this is a part of you that will be with you wherever you go in which case presenting it to yourself as a narrative where she holds onto you and you don't want it sort of comes undone.

So the question is not clear but something like what to do about the relationship becasue you feel both stifled but ambivalent ?

You can't emotionally opt out of this really, you are tied there. Not because. she forces you to be but because, well, you are connected up with this thing you do together .

So what are you going to do or feel about that reality ? This really isn't a question of going or staying when you are already tied up so tight. Maybe you just need to reflect on that for a while, just sense the reality of that and then see ?

I think this answer calls for a paradigm shift, the way you have presented it to yourself does not include the reality of what is really happening here. You may withdraw from some aspects of this whole thing but it really isn't easy or even possible to withdraw from the whole of it emotionally because it's part of you, or has become so much part of you severing from it is like asking yourself to be severed from your own life or your own history.

 

[Now4d4]

Dear breakmov,
thank you so much! Your Covid example presents perfectly my problem (anyway, the situation has become more heavy as covid popped up..)

"...So maybe Yi advice me to wait more? Hmmm... "

The advice is not to wait or endure a situation where there is a visible discomfort, without anything else.
The advice in situation 33.2>44 also implies a need to relate openly to this problem that is causing the discomfort - it is more like: "let me see this that is causing discomfort, let me relate openly, let me interact and understand if this partnership is healthy enough to continue". It's an interaction of both members of the partnership.

You see, it's not yet the time to escape, to save yourselves from the situation, but neither is it the time to sit back and wait for something, you don't know what, fix the situation.

"Imagine" the amount of business and partnerships being put to the test with this worldwide pandemic of the covid:
There are fixed bills to pay every month, the flow of customers has changed dramatically.
-How many of these businesses will be able to resist?
-Where is the line that defines "holding the business" ...or... closing to save yourself from greater misfortune?

Yijing, showed 33.2>44 as the best advice for the problem you posed. This advice, if acted upon, will always be something that will lead to a more wise partnership. This advice has nothing of personal certainty or comfort. - No advice from yijing will give you guarantees of a future, crystallized and free of anxieties. Yijing shows, above all, change with wisdom.


Cheers,

breakmov

 

[Now4d4]

I've made a new question, because I see that I have to learn something here Ive just started to interpret this, but first looks like they have the same roots. 23.2.3.5 > 57. In general, sripping away maybe says that I have to learn this .
In changing lines: 2nd line means for me that I have a fear from loosing this contact. I have to feel free about cutting down bad relationships, and make an inner balance. Resting humbly, out of comfort zone.

Separation requiered - in the 3d line also, but here now I have the inner stability to do this - I hope so

The 5th line is not so easy to interpret: the fishes on string Maybe I will be able make fruitable relationships when I can let the wrongs go, and i'll have more inner stability...