33.2 to 44 advise needed

[saskia]

Hello out there,

I'm new to this community although I,ve been reading along for some months now. English is not my mothertongue so I hope I can express myself clearly enough. I've been wrestling with a reading for some time now and I very much want to consult someone to get a better view on the question and its answer.

I've been for 3 years very much attracted to a collegue. She's married with 2 children so it's not a very convenient attraction. In the past weeks she (again) started flirting and paying much attention to me. I asked the ICHING "what does this behavior mean/ what possibilities does it create between us?
The answer I got was 33.2 going to 44.
I asked again for directions to make sure I understand the answer. I get 11, no changing lines.

I'm thinking about this oracle for a long time now. The different sources give different meaning regarding 33 line 2. I would like some advise to find some direction in this divination.

thank you, Saskia

 

[soshin]

Hi, Saskia, welcome to the club!

English is neither my mothers tongue, but I'll try to share my thoughts about the reading with you.

Retreat from her, for it would be not favourable to "marry" such a woman. Perhaps she also wants to retrat from her current situation as wife and mother, too, (unconciously?) by approaching you?

I see 11 as a reassurance that the power of peacefulness lies within you.

I would ask again what the dao of a possible relationship with her would be. The answer could add more clarity to the case.

This is just how I would read it, please take this with a grain of salt.

Namaste,

Soshin

 

[dobro p]

I'd put a completely different spin on 33.2. I'd say that, although the issue is one of withdrawal, 33.2 is saying that there is more than just an attraction between you - there is a very strong bond in fact. What you do about that is up to you. But the connection is so strong as to be unbreakable.

 

[RindaR]

Hi-

I'm thinking that possibly this means for you to continue as you have for the last three years, respecting the limits that you each have chosen. Bonds may be strong without encompassing physical intimacy.

The mountain of 11 may indicate for you to remain unmoved by this change in her behavior.

Rinda

 

[bruce]

The official Candid version reads:

?Hitch yer giddyup to your own fence and find an empty saddle.?

More eloquently said by LiSe:

?Shackle it using yellow ox hide. Under no circumstances will it be capable of getting loose.

Hold on to your true self and to what you see as important. Then you will in all circumstances have the right reaction. Because it will not be formed by the circumstances but by your inner core. There is no law of being consistent towards the world, but to yourself there is.?

 

[micheline]

It occurs to me that 33.2 refers to her marriage bonds....she is tightly held by decorum, correctness and duty, and not likely to stray from her vows. HOwever, she may have a strong attraction to you, representing a big temptation 44.

 

[bruce]

A cowboy walked into a barber shop, sat on the barber's chair and said, "I'll have a shave and a shoe shine." The barber began to lather his face while a woman with the biggest, firmest, most beautiful breasts that he had ever seen knelt down and began to shine his shoes. The cowboy said, "Young lady, you and I should go and spend some time in a hotel room." She replied, "I'm married and my husband wouldn't like that." The cowboy said, "Tell him you're working overtime and I'll pay you the difference." She said, "You tell him. He is the one shaving you."

 

[heylise]

When your heart tells you what to do, then hold on to that. Only way to get hold of your life.

But this line changes to 44, and there the corresponding line 2 says, that when you try to hold on to something without letting it stay in its own right of being, then it is no use to have it. 44 Is about a creative way of being together, and that works only when both can be entirely what they really are, in their own strength.

33 and 44, I love the combination. Makes for an interesting relation.

LiSe

 

[saskia]

Thank you all for sharing your thoughts and time with me.

I will contemplate your (different) advices for the next weeks, while she is on holidays.

I hope a change of perspective can 'loosen up' the sometimes obsessive character of our dealing with each other.

Saskia

 

[bruce]

Interesting...

Can a noble afford to listen to his heart when his ethics directs his movements? If one or the other had to be denied, which would it be? The heart of a noble holds fast, then, and makes no compromise.

 

[heylise]

Oww, did not realize that heart and ethics might be different. But you are right. I should have defined what I meant with heart.

Usually it is seen as the seat of wishes, impulses and lots of other things which can bring a lot of trouble. But I used it for the inner true feeling, which tells you what your tao is. Which attracts you to what brings life, and keeps you away from the opposite.

But your heart can only tell you that when it is in complete balance. So simply calling it 'heart' was not enough.

The heart of a noble.. better!

LiSe

 

[bruce]

This would be ?issues commands to the four regions/winds? exercised by the ruler in 44, as I see it.

 

[louise]

I have to shout about the amazing coincidence this question is for me. I just threw 33, lines 1,2, 3 and 6.. All pretty straightforward except line 2 puzzles me in this context. It was about what to do in a relationship and I thought I need help with line 2 here. I haven't been to this site for so long I started trawling thru, doing a search to find info on 33 line 2 - and - fantastic, its the last question posted !!

 

[bruce]

Geeze, Louise! Good to hear from you again!

Candid

 

[heylise]

http://www.onlineclarity.co.uk/I_Ching_community/messages/48/830.html?1060948969
Lots of interpretations, very different! Have to think a bit more on it too.

LiSe

 

[heylise]

And hi Louise!
Nice you're here again
LiSe

 

[louise]

Hiya both, I'm happy you're both still here !! I am assuming you moved out of your trailer then Bruce, last I heard I swear you had a toilet or a shower you could not stand upright in, or did I imagine it ?

I think from past experience I don't find Karchers understanding holds up - that is purely from my own experience. I would like it to be as it says to go on and 'work with these plans and these people'.... it would then be the only line in the hex not advising withdrawal - if i read it right ? In my life it seems to indicate it is just pretty difficult to break the tie or attachment on an inner level even if you succeed on the outer. Looking back over a long time I see its come up when I do withdraw from a relationship, but think of it very very often. Withdrawal may have been the right thing or indeed the only thing to do but still there persists a bond you can't shake off inside. This line always puzzled me though, so I'm still not so sure about it.

 

[bruce]

Louise, well, close. I couldn't bend in the shower or I'd land head first in the toilet. lol ..and yes, I moved after one year there.

On 33.2, I think it's more like not needing to retreat because you never left yourself or your place.