40.3 to 32

[MethodNix]

Old thread again, but since it focuses on this line perhaps it's better to continue than start a new one!

40.3 with the burden on the back but riding in a carriage leading to humiliation, changes into 32 which is a marriage hexagram. The question in my mind has been, how do you reconcile the over all context of hexagram 40 with it's line 3, and the relating hexagram 32 as well? Consider it has been said that Hex 40 "Release" is the hexagram of sexual climax, where desire and marriage is consummated. The Sabian symbol theory of the late Frank Kegan has this line as "Two little love-birds are sitting on a fence singing to each other and advertising their happiness to the world." So the context here despite the heavy words attached seem like they should something to do with love, sex, marriage, a relationship, no?

I think Confucius's commentary confuses the fact that here in line 3, the Yi says the subject has *already* risen beyond a background of poverty, lower social standing or rank, whatever. He is already past that background, and NOW he is riding in a carriage in fact. Maybe in Central Park with a love interest? The problem posed by this line is, he still has "baggage." Maybe hurt from a past relationship, maybe fear of losing what he has and returning to past poverty, maybe hurt or a chip on his shoulder from being treated badly for his past status. And this invites "robbers;" inner robbers might be anxiety, fear, emotions that take from you your life energy. In the context of a love relationship, past hurts could make it hard to digest some of what is the normal ebb and flow between two prospective partners, jealousy, feeling a lack of love or being ignored, feelings that would steal joy from you. Outer "robbers" might be social rivals or love rivals, some who might want to put you down for your lack of pedigree, not being one of "the swells," etc.

So I think this line is a warning that you have to deal with your baggage, recognize it and take care of your heart so it does not affect your love relationship or ability to function in a healthy way emotionally and socially. That dovetails better into the hex 40 / 40.3>32 context better than simply judging the querent as being pretentious. An ironic commentary angle, when their baggage could be hurt from condescension from upper classes.

- LL

I really relate to this interpretation! I recently got this answer from Yi.

After a short fling with an ex while he told me he's in a relationship I felt really bad and hurt about becoming "a second one" and Yi helped me with some other readings. I decided to let things with him go and then I turned to my future without him and asked Yi about should I flirt with a man I occasionally see and talk to in a group of people.
And Yi said 40.3 to 32.
I have to admit my emotional baggage is still here. I'm working on releasing it and moving on. Would holding on to my baggage and sitting in a carriage at the same time mean shame for me?
How would you relate 32 (duration) to it? This new person could be a new plan for me which Yi suggests. Maybe it would be a marriage (not literally) with this new person?
Or does it say I should come up with an entirely new plan for my love life?

I also asked Yi what does this new man think about me and got 30 unchanging. Positive? Or does double positive make a negative?

Thank you for thoughts...

 

[Miglix21]

Hello MethodNix. I understand hexagram 40.3 as an improper way to attain liberation and hexagram 32.3 is warning you about not being consistent in your behavior. I will try to put this into a context. Hexagram 40.3 is a situation while hexagram 32.3 is a behavior related to that situation. I think it would be good for you to compare hex 40.3 with hex 42.6 and hex 54.6 as well. I would also compare hex 40.3 with hex 35.4 and hex 5.3.

Seeing the text line I can see that perhaps the baggage you bring with you may not be related with some social status but rather with your baggage as a person: your good and bag things, fear, rage, love, happines and why not "what had happened" in other relationships.

You are travelling with your "baggage" and that "baggage" has to do with the position you have in life yes, but, as I said, not related to social status. There are happy poor people and unhappy rich people.

So, perhaps, you want to enter into a best situation with your baggage, when that should be a gradual progress (check hex 53.3). Perhaps you have a lot to work in yourself before engaging into another relationship and, if you try to do it now, you will find people to take advantage of you (or your situation: heartbroken, etc).

Regarding your second reading, there is something interesting I have found using this forum that is called the ying and yang pattern. It is a very interesting way to know what are the motives behind your question and what is the possible exit to the situation at hand. With unchaning hexagrams, I have found that the ying patter would be the shadow hexagram of your cast, or in other words, the hexagram resulting from changing all the lines in your hexagram into it's opposite.

Hexagram 30 unchanging speaks to you about the need of clarity. It is like telling you "are the things clear enough for you"?.
The shadow hexagram would be hexagram 29, so, it may be telling you: "Is there a hidden peril/bad situation that you are not considering?"

 

[MethodNix]

Thank you so much for the analysis Miglix21, I really appreciate it!
I'm using Iching for a while, but I used only my intuition with the readings untill I started to read threads and blogs on Clarity - and it opened a whole new world for me!
Can you, please, tell me how did you figure the lines to compare it to? I'm thinking hard about the warning presented in those lines. I would like to know how can I learn to compare my future readings like that - or it simply comes with longterm studying Yi?

Seeing the text line I can see that perhaps the baggage you bring with you may not be related with some social status but rather with your baggage as a person: your good and bag things, fear, rage, love, happines and why not "what had happened" in other relationships.

You are travelling with your "baggage" and that "baggage" has to do with the position you have in life yes, but, as I said, not related to social status. There are happy poor people and unhappy rich people.

So, perhaps, you want to enter into a best situation with your baggage, when that should be a gradual progress (check hex 53.3). Perhaps you have a lot to work in yourself before engaging into another relationship and, if you try to do it now, you will find people to take advantage of you (or your situation: heartbroken, etc).

Just to clarify myself, I wasn't thinking about literal social status (nor it's a part of the situation or question at all), but more like the baggage being my feelings (both good and bad) concerning my ex, and the "carriage" being my way out of those feelings and that Yi is telling me it's shamefull to do both simultaneously. I hope(ed) I can do the work on and in myself at the same time.
Now, thinking and reading about it - it's so obviously wrong to try to "replace" feelings or people in that fact. I guess it takes time for me to let Yi's message to sink in.

But one thing still bothers me - the resulting 32 hexagram - which I can't seem to put in a context. At this point it could be long and fruitful work on myself I am and will be doing or it could still relate to the new man since he's part of the question?

And to add more context to the situation - I put a reconciling break on my relationship with the ex (it felt like a goodbye on my part) and I kind of sent signals (mild and not so obvious but still) to the new one (he kinda gave back). Which is wrong, I know - but I can still stop the action with no harm done (to the other perosn) and just deal with myself.

EDIT: Btw, It's so refreshing to be able to say (type) even the thing I did wrong without being judged. I guess Yi knew about it before I did. And thank you all for insight and all the information I find here. Hope to learn how to anticipate things Yi is telling me in due time.

 

[Miglix21]

Thank you so much for the analysis Miglix21, I really appreciate it!
I'm using Iching for a while, but I used only my intuition with the readings untill I started to read threads and blogs on Clarity - and it opened a whole new world for me!
Can you, please, tell me how did you figure the lines to compare it to? I'm thinking hard about the warning presented in those lines. I would like to know how can I learn to compare my future readings like that - or it simply comes with longterm studying Yi?



Just to clarify myself, I wasn't thinking about literal social status (nor it's a part of the situation or question at all), but more like the baggage being my feelings (both good and bad) concerning my ex, and the "carriage" being my way out of those feelings and that Yi is telling me it's shamefull to do both simultaneously. I hope(ed) I can do the work on and in myself at the same time.
Now, thinking and reading about it - it's so obviously wrong to try to "replace" feelings or people in that fact. I guess it takes time for me to let Yi's message to sink in.

But one thing still bothers me - the resulting 32 hexagram - which I can't seem to put in a context. At this point it could be long and fruitful work on myself I am and will be doing or it could still relate to the new man since he's part of the question?

And to add more context to the situation - I put a reconciling break on my relationship with the ex (it felt like a goodbye on my part) and I kind of sent signals (mild and not so obvious but still) to the new one (he kinda gave back). Which is wrong, I know - but I can still stop the action with no harm done (to the other perosn) and just deal with myself.

EDIT: Btw, It's so refreshing to be able to say (type) even the thing I did wrong without being judged. I guess Yi knew about it before I did. And thank you all for insight and all the information I find here. Hope to learn how to anticipate things Yi is telling me in due time.

Hello Methodnix. To anwser your first question, I could say that the comparing lines I used comes from using the Yi a lot. But what can also help you is that Yi speaks to you using analogies, and, Chinese itself is a language of analogies. Characters are analogies. So, you will slowly start to learn how to use your own analogical thinking, that is, to learn new knowledge by comparing things that seems to be unrelated, but are similar somehow.

To anwser your second question: Hexagram 32.3 is a warning related to a behavior: He who does not give duration to his character meets with disgrace. Persistent humiliation. If a man remains at the mercy of moods of hope or fear aroused by the outer world, he loses his inner consistency of character. Such inconsistency invariably leads to distressing experiences. These humiliations often come from an unforeseen quarter. Such experiences are not merely effects produced by the external world, but logical consequences evoked by his own nature. First the line is speaking about an "inner" instability. That's why I asked, are you sure you can engage into a new relationship right now?. But since it is related to the man in question, it could also mean, it looks pretty, he is nice, blah, blah, and when you get to know each other you will find things won't work out for both of you. There must be something inside of you that tells you that the person is right for you or that you can build something up with this person. Otherwise you will be lead stray by anything that creates a reaction in you.

To try to put things more into context: Hexagram 40 speaks about liberation and the way to attain it.
Line 3 is sandwhiced between line 2 and line 4 which speaks about a proper way of liberation or different situations from which you have to liberate/release from.

Hexagram 40.2 tells you: "look through the intentions of others" and hexagram 40.4 tells you again "there are people attached to you with whom you cannot realize anything worth (look through their intentions) because you won't be able to join later to people with whom you can realize something worth". Line 3 would be someone who wants to bypass from line 2 to 4 without doing the proper examination to attain liberation. Read hexagram 17.2 and compare with 40.2 and importantly, read hexagram 17.4 and compare with both hex 42 line 2 and 4.

Perhaps is telling you: Instead of engaging right now, give yourselves chance to know each other for while and then decide if things could work out between both of you?

 

[Freedda]

Hex. 40 reminds me of the sense of release/relief we notice just after the tension and anticipation of a gathering storm has let loose. With the storm, we have no control over how the thunder and rain come and go - moving in their own directions; but with this hexagram we are asked to look at how we might best accomplish this release for ourselves - that we should look for the right, or proper (and maybe least harmful?) direction for our own emotions, and impulsive behavior.

40.3 may be a reminder that perhaps this 'harmless' flirting might not be so harmless, for you or him. Or at least that's something to consider. I don't think the Yi is saying yay or nay here, only that you should pay attention, as you would to an approaching storm or as you might while traveling on a lonely road carrying baggage.

Hex. 32: could it be saying that you're looking for something - or someone - which is steady, constant, enduring in your life? ... or that you may want to consider this as a possibility (or maybe act in this way even if doesn't fully fit you right now)?

As to how this applies to your flirting? I'm not sure. Flirting can be a harmless activity, but perhaps you just need to be aware of what you're doing, and make sure that you do not replace, confuse, nor mix up this short-term actvity with what you are really looking for .... which is something more constant and enduring.

... but that's just an example/guess on my part - you'll likely have a better sense of if or how it fits for you.

Best, D