59.6 > 29 Keeping distance?

[Juliah]

Hello friends,

Hope you assist me with my reading.

Yesterday I asked whether I was important to a person and got 59.6 > 29. At first sight, it tells that the person keeps distance from me as a source of troubles, but at the same time there is another interpretation of it - the person comes to the rescue to those who are in the difficult situation sacrificing himself what sounds contrary to the first statement.

So who am I for this person - a thorn in his flesh or a drowner who needs saving?

Thanks a lot.

 

[Juliah]

Just a thought: cannot it be that this line denotes mercy which writes off and resolves any wrong past deeds?

 

[diamanda]

In my experience, this combination means "no matter how much you try to get away, you can't".

at the same time there is another interpretation of it - the person comes to the rescue to those who are in the difficult situation sacrificing himself what sounds contrary to the first statement.

I guess you're making this conclusion from Wilhelm's commentary?
Please remember that a commentary is just that - a subjective take on a line.
The Chinese text here doesn't mention anything about sacrificing oneself and rescuing others.

The important question is, who of the two of you makes the other one suffer?
The line speaks to the person who is suffering.
And highlights the issue that, no matter what the suffering person does to escape, they just can't.

 

[Juliah]

That makes sense for me, however I do not know for sure if this person is suffering and there is a thing that surprised me in you interpretation Diamanda. I understand the line telling about avoiding or, better to say, going through the pain which seems to be in the past: "His bloody wounds are gone. He is far removed from the danger of injury." Your interpretation is quite opposite to it.

(I have never experienced this line before and looking through the intepretations given by the Clarity members I saw how they differed.)

 

[diamanda]

Well, I've always had the feeling that when only the 6th line changes, then what the line says somehow fails to have full validity - but I couldn't put it into words. My own experience with 59.6 > 29 was when I was trying to get rid of a guy who was stalking me with text messages (result: even though I replied nothing, he kept on and on - to this day he will still text me occasionally, like once a year). The second example I have of this line was about a friend, who was trying to beat an addiction but couldn't. So, I already knew it meant something like "you try to stay away, but the danger returns".

Only a few months ago, when I got a few readings with only the 6th line changing, I understood this pattern better.

So, the way I see it now, when only the 6th line changes, then the whole situation is far removed from the first hexagram, i.e. the idea of the first hexagram is completely not valid, and what matters most is the resulting hexagram. In this case, the idea of dispersion cannot be accomplished - even if the person tries their best (as in line 6).

Back to your question, are you important to that person? If there isn't any suffering between you, i.e. if you are not suffering for him, and if he's not suffering for you (I believe you would know if the person was really hurt by you) - then this person has some other kind of suffering, which for now occupies their headspace instead of you. That's my best guess.

 

[Juliah]

Diamanda, I really appreciate sharing your experience with me.

I do not know if this person is suffering or not, though when we parted his intention was to "bend" me, to make me do what he wanted. So I do not know if he is suffering.

then this person has some other kind of suffering, which for now occupies their headspace instead of you

The question was in my respect however. Why does the IC tell about not the matter?

 

[diamanda]

The question was in my respect however. Why does the IC tell about not the matter?

I believe the IC is precise in its own manner.
The situation sounds complicated (he wants to indirectly force you to do something).
Only you know of course what that thing is, and if he is right to demand something like that.
Only you can figure out more precisely what the answer means, because you know the details.
Maybe it means just that: he wants you to suffer enough till you 'break' and go back to him.

 

[Trojina]

The question was in my respect however. Why does the IC tell about not the matter?

The I Ching isn't there to give you the advantage of looking inside his head. You keep on asking questions about what other people are thinking so you don't understand the answers. I don't know why you do this. I'd advise you to start asking about you need to do. If 59.6 is an answer to you which it probably is then it is telling you to get the hell away from him as soon as possible.

As an answer to your question this just isn't an answer.....59.6 isn't telling you what he thinks. So it seems you are getting advice for you.

The I Ching is to find out about you, what you need to know. If you keep on asking about what x, y and z are doing you'll get nowhere fast

Yes I know I sound like a boring broken record....but really these aren't helpful questions. Why don't you ask about what you need to do. The I Ching isn't primarily to have the advantage of mind reading it is for your own self development not gaining advantage through knowing others thoughts.#


And as I've said before the beauty of asking from your own POV is that you will find out that way his thoughts anyway. If the answer tells you to get away from something harmful then you know he's not good for you.

I'm only piping up here BTW because you seem to be floundering around with this reading with the false idea that the I Ching is there to help you read his mind etc etc

 

[ginnie]

59.6 is saying that if you distance yourself from this person, you will be distancing yourself from harm. That's all you really need to know about him, isn't it? The reading is very clear.