6 (2, 4, 6) changing to 8

[specialk]

Hi all

Well, I've been very strict about No Contact (it's a policy I've imposed on myself unilaterally to give my ex boyfriend the "gift of missing me" - god that sounds so corny but there is method in it) and am going to keep it up until first week in July. Contact from him doesn't count (ie it doesn't break the rules if I reply to contact from him) but the rule is that I can't initiate any contact.

However tonight I was just feeling especially estranged from him and lonely for him and dying to talk with him (even though I didn't weaken and text him or anything, but I was just longing to talk to him) so I asked:

"I'm feeling so estranged from A right now and want to know how he feels about me". I got Arguing changing to Seeking Union. Cheered me up no end, and it's not the first time the I Ching has done that.

I'm thinking the arguing part represents the retreat embodied by my No Contact policy (see lines 2 and 4). But it has made me so happy and relaxed to see that 8 comes up when I ask how he's feeling about me.

Comments welcome.

 

[themis]

Hi,

My version of the IC (Ritsema & Sabbadini) describes Hex. 6 as ... 'requiring a bold statement of one's arguments'.
That's just what you're doing. Agree with your interpretation.
Beware of 6.6 - 'Maybe to bestowing belongs a pouched belt . Completing dawn thrice depriving of it'.

Comments
'Using arguing acquiesces in submitting. Truly not standing respectfully indeed'.

 

[specialk]

Yeah, I was a bit mystified by the meaning of line 6 of hex 6. But I kinda figure it means that there's no point trying to argue someone into submission - even if they seem like they are agreeing with you the agreement may fall apart later. And then if you argue with them again and think you have convinced them again, the same thing happens (and again, according to the line). So what I'm doing is the opposite of that - ie, having no dialogue WHATSOEVER, contentious or no. They have to convince themselves that they want this course of action in order for things to work, basically. And in order to come to that position, I'm using the "you don't know what you've got til it's gone" strategy.

Is that what you think the line means, T, or did you have another slant on it?

 

[specialk]

He could also currently be arguing with himself as to what he wants. But the "background" hex is 8, which is the encouraging one.

 

[themis]

According to Legge, 6.6 = persisting in contending would surely lead to defeat and disgrace.
Wilhelm's interpretation is similar in that conflict is carried through until the end, at which
point one meets with failure/yet more opposition - words to that effect.

My version of the IC is not very user-friendly, hence resorting to other sources.
As to how to relate that to the context, I'm not sure. Guess you'd know.

 

[gato]

it's a policy I've imposed on myself unilaterally to give my ex boyfriend the "gift of missing me" - god that sounds so corny but there is method in it)

that is no way you gonna succeed with those mind-games unless you submit to fate and change your attitude.
"One cannot engage in conflict.
One turns back and submits to fate,
Changes one’s attitude,
And finds peace in perseverance." the advice here is "One turns back and submits to fate,"


And even if get some minor success playing mind-games "By the end of a morning
It will have been snatched away three times." Misfortune. Ten pairs of tortoise cannot contradict this.

mind if I ask what if he decides not to call you anymore because you are not following or call back. I mean this games works but you really have to know what you are doing. but even if you know what you are doing in the end you will find out it's hollow. only a shell without substance. "By the end of a morning
It will have been snatched away three times."

 

[specialk]

Gato: They are not "mind games". Of course I answer him if he texts me. I'm just not initiating any texting myself. And I don't have an "attitude" - just a broken heart. Less of the hectoring posts, please.

 

[gato]

Gato: They are not "mind games". Of course I answer him if he texts me. I'm just not initiating any texting myself. And I don't have an "attitude" - just a broken heart. Less of the hectoring posts, please.

i'm not bullying you i just told you my interpretation of H6-H8. but you do have an "attitude"

 

[ginnie]

"I'm feeling so estranged from A right now and want to know how he feels about me". 6.2.4.6 > 8

I believe it's only good practice to pose a question like you did when we are dealing with children or others who are physically or mentally incapable or helpless -- and only if we are asking our question with a firm intention of being of some real service to that other person.

Otherwise, you can get clearer answers by asking questions from your own point of view.

 

[willowfox]

If he truly liked her, then surely he would be around her place with a bunch of flowers and a bottle of wine but he has not been in physical contact in over a month or so, and I think that speaks volumes for how he feels. Hex 6 is about conflict, conflict between two people, and both playing games with each other, therefore, as I said before, how can such an odd relationship possibly grow and prosper?

When he texts it seems that he is apparently drunk everytime, and its well known that drunks usually need a shoulder to lean on, that's your Hex 8 for what its worth.

 

[pocossin]

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Argument in 6 (2, 4, 6) changing to 8

 

[specialk]

Gato, I won't tell you again, I do not have an "attitude". Please go lecture someone else.

WF, I asked you nicely NOT to post on my threads again, because of your dismissive attitude and your relentless negativity. And here you are back again, nastily talking about me in the third person, as if I'm not even here, or as if I'm too stupid to be spoken to directly.
LEAVE ME ALONE. Is that clear enough?

 

[gato]

Gato, I won't tell you again, I do not have an "attitude". Please go lecture someone else.

yes ...nice...thank you. here's my other cheek

 

[willowfox]

Gato, I won't tell you again, I do not have an "attitude". Please go lecture someone else.

WF, I asked you nicely NOT to post on my threads again, because of your dismissive attitude and your relentless negativity. And here you are back again, nastily talking about me in the third person, as if I'm not even here, or as if I'm too stupid to be spoken to directly.
LEAVE ME ALONE. Is that clear enough?

This is a public forum and as such you are up for discussion, that's because its public.

And as for being negative, well, I could lie to you and say yes he will run back, flowers and a diamond ring in hand, that you will live in a palace, and be happy until you die, win the lotto etc, etc.

But I can't lie!

 

[pocossin]

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