6 Coin method

[shaoqi]

Hello, Lately I been getting like 3 or 4 moving lines per toss. Usually so many moving lines can be quite confusing.
So I was wondering does anyone use the 6 coin method where u have 5 idenical coins an one odd one around the same size but different. In this way u only get 1 moving line each toss an u only have to toss once.

I was wondering if anyone uses this method an if so is it as accurate?

thx..shaolin

 

[frederick]

6 coins?
That's a lot of metal flying around. I would want to wear safty glasses, maybe even a hard hat and gloves...

I find when the lines go dancing around, it is only a reflection of my mind.

All things begin and end in stillness...

Perhaps, if you don't have a local algolrythm (I'm still hunting the person who made up that word... we need to talk. I use the PUP I Ching myself), you might go online to a site you trust and cast there...
One mouse click and a couple nanoseconds...
I seems to me that this might be easier than dodging all those coins...

It's all good -

Fred

 

[frederick]

Or...
You could work on diminishing the effects of imperatives...
perhaps calm down a bit...

Just a thought.

F.H.

 

[Sparhawk]

Blame it on some ancient arab sage...

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Main Entry: al·go·rithm
Function: noun
Etymology: alteration of Middle English algorisme, from Old French & Medieval Latin; Old French, from Medieval Latin algorismus, from Arabic al-khuwArizmi, from al-KhwArizmI fl A.D. 825 Arabian mathematician
Date: circa 1894
: a procedure for solving a mathematical problem (as of finding the greatest common divisor) in a finite number of steps that frequently involves repetition of an operation; broadly : a step-by-step procedure for solving a problem or accomplishing some end especially by a computer
- al·go·rith·mic /"al-g&-'ri[th]-mik/ adjective
- al·go·rith·mi·cal·ly /-mi-k(&-)lE/ adverb

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[Sparhawk]

Hi Shaolin,

If you want to try something different, and don't have the will to use yarrow, do try the "Method of 64". It has the same probalities of a yarrow casting and the speed of the 3 coins method.

You can find the Method of 64 in my site at: Method of 64

Cheers,

Luis

 

[hilary]

Hi Shaolin,

If you get complicated answers, I would guess it's because you're asking about complicated things. Such is life

Using coin or yarrow (or method of 64) methods, you will usually get one or two moving lines in a reading. (The number of moving lines is the same with 3 coins or yarrow.) You'll also regularly get none at all, which is Yi's way of keeping things absolutely simple.

I'm not a fan of the 6 coin method. Why put restrictions on the range and variety of the answers the oracle can give you? Sometimes there's more than one factor or possibility you need to know about - so why not let Yi tell you?

 

[shaoqi]

Everyone thanks for the imput.

shaolin

 

[cheiron]

Hi Shaolin

Sorry to arrive late... I like the 16 marble method... (You will find details of it on this site).

I have 16 polished stone spheres... the moving Yin line is a beautiful Amethyst... Oh, how I love to pull that one it is so beautiful... I keep them in a turned bowl with a lid lined with black baize... all made of Witch Elm... When I am feeling deep this a lovely way to cast the Yi... after a lighting incense and paying respects to my small Buddha Shrine...

That does it for me!

Others have their own way... It is very personal.

However when I just need a quick input I use Clarity's Virtual bowl... I get very good conversations with the Yi with it? every bit as good as with the stones.

In the past I have used both Yarrow and Chinese coins... both very good too...

My experience is that despite the ?bookies? who work out probabilities of moving lines for each method they all work really well.

Finally the sixteen marble method reproduces the Yarrow Stalk method... but the Yarrow stalk method is just a guess at how the ancients used the stalks... we don't really know... chuckles... yet the Yi keeps talking.

--Kevin

 

[frederick]

al·go·rithm
Right.
Fortunate for him he's already dead. Just who does he think he is... uh... did... er... was...?
Talking like that, anyway. Insolent son of a...
(I am breath... I am life... breath... life...)
All better, now.
Arab, huh? Cool.
Thanks...

F.H.

 

[shaoqi]

Ok I used the 64 Method Sparhawk reccomended.

What if me an D(g/f) live togehter in our own place?

I got Hex 11 ---> Hex 7
moving lines 1 & 3

Seems of good fortune to proceed, what does everyone else think.

Sparhawk thx for the new method, i will be using it alot

 

[frederick]

Shaoqi -

Yes, pretty much not bad at all; but there is a provision.
What does it mean to you?

Fred

 

[cheiron]

Ahem

Re. 64 method... from Franzis Slot site:

"NOTICE THAT THE ODDS for getting each different type of line are identical to the odds when using the Yarrow Stalk Method of constructing hexagrams!"

No, no, no... no-one knows how the yarrow stalks were originally used... so we don't know what the odds were in the Yi Jings original use... the 'Yarrow Stalk" method was a guess from a academic on some few very limited clues in a text...

But as above... I don't think this really matters? The Yi, I believe, will speak whatever way.

And now I will remain silent? so that you can explore your reading

All the best

--Kevin

 

[shaoqi]

Frederick, what provision are u refering to?

1...shao

 

[Sparhawk]

Hi Shaolin!

I am glad you liked the Method of 64. I thought you would.

Hi Kevin,

I have a problem with that assessment of the yarrow stalks method. Even if we don't know the original use of the yarrows what has reached us has been in use for quite a few centuries and it appears to be working just fine.

Having said that, the probabilities of the "current" yarrow casting method are mathematically mirrored in the Method of 64.

Luis

 

[cheiron]

Hi Luis

Please don't have a problem with that...I am sure it does work fine...

Has it really been for a few centuries?

I use marbles. I suspect that method of being under ten years old.

The point I am really trying to make is that I find the ?statistical probability? inherent in the different methods has made little difference o the apparent quality of my results. I regard my state of mind as being a greater factor.

--Kevin

 

[cheiron]

Oh, Luis
I did not realise that that quote came from your website till now.

I would have been a little less brief and shown a little more courtesy had I realised.

I did not mean to beard you in your den so to speak.

Regards

--Kevin

 

[frederick]

Shaoqi-

Sorry. I wasn't very clear.
The question is the provision.
Line 3 sort of demands an awareness of purpose.

F.H.

 

[Sparhawk]

Hi Kevin,

Oh, pleeeeaase stop it with the puppy eyes!

I didn't invent the Method of 64. I only rescued it from Internet oblivion, and that thanks to a nice helping hand. I just put it in my site giving proper credit to its author.

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And I absolutely agree with you on that. The method used has little bearing on the results obtained. My defense was of the mathematical truth of it compared to the current yarrow method.

Luis

 

[shaoqi]

Frederick all line 3 suggest is:

"After things proceed to their upper limit they begin to decline. Thus this line gives warning that there is no plan without undulation, theres no past without returning."

Basically stating there will be hardships(which every relationship has)an that prosperity comes through sustaining.

1...shao

 

[heylise]

I saw that Shaoqi was confused in the beginning of this thread by too many changing lines to handle. Take a look at
http://www.anton-heyboer.org/i_ching/structures/
Maybe it will clear things up a bit.

LiSe

 

[joang]

Shaoqi,

11 ---> 7 ?

War and Peace comes to mind. At least it won't be boring.

Namaste,
Joan