8.6

[maremaria]

Hi ,
I need you help with line 8.6. I got it as an answer to a reading, And although I try not to think in a positive /negative way that line doesn't seems good

Six at the top means:
He finds no head for holding together.
Misfortune.

The head is the beginning. If the beginning is not right, there is no hope of a right ending. If we have missed the right moment for union and go on hesitating to give complete and full devotion, we shall regret the error when it is too late.

I'm not sure if it is just a warning to have in mind or it says its already too late for an action.

How do you see that line ?

Thanks,
Maria

 

[rodaki]

hi Maria

I'm gonna give this a try, but pls keep in mind I'm rather an infant in actually giving readings so take everything with a pinch of salt here

I think that the time frame of answers usually mirrors the timeframe of questions, so if your question was future-bound (e.g. what will happen if . .) then this is warning you to not waste time in seeking union
but if your question was present-bound (e.g. what is going on with . .) then it looks like time has passed you by . .
on the other hand, the fan yao in 20.6 reads (from Richmond):
"The superior man contemplates his way of being and has no error"

I think that we find no error there not because we didn't make mistakes, but because in the present we can be without mistake, if we "realize what we have been doing"
again Richmond:
Becoming more involved in the tao of overlooking life gives insight into ourselves and brings about a balance between the viewer and the viewed, when there is full involvement the experiencer and the experience become one

sooo . . hope this is of some help . .
hopefully more wise people around will add their knowledge

Dora

 

[maremaria]

thank you Dora

Actually is a "how to do... " question , thats why I'm so confused.

Maria

 

[Trojina]

Hi ,
I need you help with line 8.6. I got it as an answer to a reading, And although I try not to think in a positive /negative way that line doesn't seems good




I'm not sure if it is just a warning to have in mind or it says its already too late for an action.

How do you see that line ?

Thanks,
Maria

Can be as plain and simple as not being organised enough. I've had it re a group i was trying to arrange classes with...they were all too flakey..we weren't coming together, too disparate, no focus. Didn't we say in another thread 8.6 was the line of the flake. Hard to say without knowing the question...just a sense of things not pulling together enough to be effective and hence falling apart. If its a 'how to' question perhaps its saying, or rather asking, if you have enough focus to do this thing ? Perhaps you need to be more single minded ? If lots of other things claim your attention it will be near impossible to accomplish...like taking 'multi-tasking' to the limit so that in the end nothing is done properly...days where you put your phone in the fridge and the butter in your bag...

Perhaps if its a 'how to' question you need to consider levels of comittment and motivation. If the comittment isn't sufficient looks like things are likely to fall apart. Perhaps you need to sit back and have a good look at this first (20) and consider what it really requires ?

 

[martin]

Hi ,
I need you help with line 8.6. I got it as an answer to a reading, And although I try not to think in a positive /negative way that line doesn't seems good




I'm not sure if it is just a warning to have in mind or it says its already too late for an action.

How do you see that line ?

Thanks,
Maria

Not enough preparation?
I think if 8.6 answers a how-to-do question it would indicate in any case that there are different steps or phases in this doing.
First this, then that, then that. If you skip one step, especially the first (seems that is what this line talks about) you can't reach your goal.

Perhaps you need to make a plan that breaks down the task into smaller (and easier) subtasks?
Rome was not conquered in one day.

 

[martin]

days where you put your phone in the fridge and the butter in your bag...

Lol, I'm very familiar with that. Ashtrays that end up in the garbage, a coffee machine that tries to make coffee but doesn't succeed because I did put a filter in it and water but forgot the coffee ..

 

[maremaria]

I feel like that stork.

Should I make that next step or not ?


Trojan and Martin , thank you.

I have to go but I'm printing your answers and think about them.

Maria

 

[martin]

Should I make that next step or not ?

By the way, I was thinking .. "lack of preparation?" seems okay but what I said about steps and breaking the task down, is that what 8.6 means?
Sounds too much like hexagram 60 now ..

Oh well, breaking the task down might be not too bad advice anyway. If it makes sense to you keep it, otherwise => garbage bin.

 

[maremaria]

Can be as plain and simple as not being organised enough. I've had it re a group i was trying to arrange classes with...they were all too flakey..we weren't coming together, too disparate, no focus. Didn't we say in another thread 8.6 was the line of the flake. Hard to say without knowing the question...just a sense of things not pulling together enough to be effective and hence falling apart. If its a 'how to' question perhaps its saying, or rather asking, if you have enough focus to do this thing ? Perhaps you need to be more single minded ? If lots of other things claim your attention it will be near impossible to accomplish...like taking 'multi-tasking' to the limit so that in the end nothing is done properly...days where you put your phone in the fridge and the butter in your bag...

Perhaps if its a 'how to' question you need to consider levels of comittment and motivation. If the comittment isn't sufficient looks like things are likely to fall apart. Perhaps you need to sit back and have a good look at this first (20) and consider what it really requires ?

Trojan,
I found those comments very helpful. Initially I couldn't see it in that line and i thought it was more my other reading (60>7) but it makes sence. I realize that i toss on that question because of the 60> 7 matter. It seems that they have a cause-effect relationship. And commitment is a word that makes sence here.

Thanks again,
Maria

 

[maremaria]

Not enough preparation?
I think if 8.6 answers a how-to-do question it would indicate in any case that there are different steps or phases in this doing.
First this, then that, then that. If you skip one step, especially the first (seems that is what this line talks about) you can't reach your goal.

Perhaps you need to make a plan that breaks down the task into smaller (and easier) subtasks?
Rome was not conquered in one day.

Yes, i believe too that 8.6 talks about the first step, the begining.
Just hope The rigth moment has not passed.

Thanks Martin

 

[miakoda]

The Wikiwing also has this about 8.6: seeking union without commitment.

 

[maremaria]

The Wikiwing also has this about 8.6: seeking union without commitment.

Thanks Miakoda.

 

[meng]

Actually is a "how to do... " question , thats why I'm so confused.

Not meaning to sound pessimistic, but it's possible the Yi says that you are not equipped to lead and take control of the matter in question. There's no sin in that. It's sometimes just a matter of aptitude.

Or, perhaps you are better equipped to lead than the one who is now leading.

The general idea is that, no one is leading well at the moment, and so others don't hold to it. The best teachers for this type of social interaction are dogs. A group of dogs will always seek a pack leader, a head. In this case, the dog pack has no such leader. This creates states of confusion and competition within the pack. (This can all go on internally as well.)

I think the fan yao of 20.6 may show the way to gaining back the head.

 

[maremaria]

You don’t sound pessimistic Meng, but that line does

I like the dog pack example. What I’m not sure about is whether I should be the leader or the follower. Delicate balance here.

But I guess this is what I have to see and line 20.6 I think is suggesting that.

 

[meng]

What I’m not sure about is whether I should be the leader or the follower. Delicate balance here.

The dogs' owner should be the pack leader - calm/assertive. So if we're talking about "your" dogs, then it is up to you to be their head. But, if you're one of the dogs (chuckles), then it's up to the owner/manager/teacher/pastor/coach/etc to be the pack leader. But at present, there appears to be none.

 

[maremaria]

The dogs' owner should be the pack leader - calm/assertive. So if we're talking about "your" dogs, then it is up to you to be their head. But, if you're one of the dogs (chuckles), then it's up to the owner/manager/teacher/pastor/coach/etc to be the pack leader. But at present, there appears to be none.

Quess I am . Woof !

Thanks Meng, you have been very helpful

Maria