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I think from the fact that the circle and square are standard associations with respectively yang and yin .Does anyone know from where Richard Wilhelm in his commentary to Ta Chuan, Ch. XI, 2 (Second book in the Wilhelm/Baynes ed. of I Ching, 'On the yarrow stalks and the Hexagrams and Lines) got the information that the Number Eight (8x8) represents Earth or the Square and the Number Seven (7x7) represents Heaven or the Circle?
The ancient Chinese believed that Heaven is round while earth is square.
One of my old friends posted this pic on Facebook recently and it made me think..... (Unfortunately, he forgot to mention from where he got the quote but as it's the illustration that matters I don't care.) Seven Circles makes up a hexagram Rose. An Eighth Circle encompasses it all. And there's probably much more to think about...
What do you mean #2 and #4? : )I found of interest in this book pages 27 to 43 where the temples in which these "Flowers of Life" figures are placed.
I suppose it was this geometric figure on #2 you were referring to and not my question on #4?
Hmmm, The so-called Flower of Life is fascinating. What I spotted though was an association with the Ritualnumbers, as John Blofeld * names them: 6-7-8-9, in the six leaves placed in the centre circle, the seven inner circles, the eighth surrounding circle and the Center of this representing Nine, in the picture on #2. But I do also know that this kind of Numerology is very abstract, indeed. A circle demands a center and this centre does, as the outer peripheries encompass it all. No Centre, no circle. More than one centre, not a circle (for example, two centres make an ellipse). Symbolically seen, the six leaves are the Hexagram as placed in - or growing out/up from the entity of Ritual Numbers. I don't think that, what I've written here, explains it fully, maybe because it's so abstract and kind of "Odd Math" (not math in a Western traditional sense) and also an Impulsive Idea in my head...
*) The Book of Change, London 1905, Ch. 4
To name them, and I have found John Blofeld's name of them useful.6-7-8-9 are seen in some Feng Shui systems as one group, so currently they are the Yang Numbers. Since we are in Period 8 or 9 depending how we view it.
So they enjoy mountains in that direction(6- NorthWest, 7 - West etc. if there is mountain there, since Yang is active and we are in the lower period(6789) then they interact with each other as Yin and Yang and create wholeness. : )
So this basic math stuff can be very practical, from arranging ones room, to buildling a house - we can choose stuff that aligns with the flow around us through that.
But what do you mean ritual numbers?
To name them, and I have found John Blofeld's name of them useful.
(6,7,8,9 being Yang numbers ? I'm not sure. Because Six=3 broken lines or Old Yin. Seven = 2 broken lines and 1 unbroken
line or Young Yang etc. But maybe these Ritualnumbers are rather Yin as the sum of them gives 30 [6+7+8+9=30] which is the number for Earth or Yin, thus: 2+4+6+8+10=30 or Earth. 1+3+5+7+9=25 or Heaven. The sum of these is 55 which is "... what completes the changes and transformations and sets demons and gods in movement." [Ta Chuan, The Great Treatise, ch. IX, On the Oracle. 5 & 6 Wings. pg. 308-310 in Wilhelm-Baynes, London 1968])
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- Concerning the number 30, by coincidence I found myself counting the spaces in this geometric figure on #2 (counting, counting, counting seemingly leads nowhere but sometimes it can give inspiration for explorations)
That's interesting, I have been working with the Loshu map for years but have never heard or read before that the numbers change every 20 years. Do you perhaps have a source for this information?But turns out the numbers change every 20 years from one point of view and in other points of view in other intervals from another.
So currently, the squere for some uses looks like this:
I don't think it is avoided. It may be nothing more than most people on the forum have not dipped their toe in this particular methodology, let alone have enough experience to comment.Anyway, I think this is kinda avoided as topics in here... I'm not sure why,
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I never fully resonated with it. I think there are missing parts of it that are important and that may be why it didn't... But parts of it fits so well, mentally and it seems to be important step in it all, so hopefully in the future we will see more.
I don't think it is avoided. It may be nothing more than most people on the forum have not dipped their toe in this particular methodology, let alone have enough experience to comment.
As an aside I must say that I was confused with your reply to my comments about my Spirograph laden childhood. The toy drew, circles based patterns and shapes using inner and outer cogged wheels with different numbers of teeth. I don't see it as being any more than what it purported to be which is a toy for entertainment. As a child, for me, nothing was missing, it wasn't a step to anywhere it was nothing more than a toy that brought joy to me.
I wonder what parts you thought were missing that never allowed you to resonate with it fully?
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