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The Taoist approach to the I Ching is all about balance. In this approach, a moving line is not seen as a one-way street (i.e. from moving yang to yin), but as an interaction. A moving yang line is seen as too much of yang, being balanced by yin. So there is a constant interaction between the two polarities. (The same can be seen with the trigrams. Suppose trigram Fire has a moving yin line, then from the Taoist approach, balance is found by trigram Heaven.)Why might only Hex 1 and Hex 2 be singled out for these comments?
Only H1 and H2 have this dynamic, hence only in these 2 hexagrams do all lines changing have a (favorable) meaning.When all lines are changing, the hexagram is transformed into Hexagram 2, Kun, The Receptive. This symbolizes a perfect balance between yin and yang, the receptive and the dynamic, and connotes exceptional good fortune. Strength coupled with mildness, power and ability coupled with open-mindedness and adaptability, ensure a favorable result, for the universe itself reflects the alternation of yin and yang. And if one is in accord with the way of the universe, how can one go wrong?
and then links the quality of headlessness to the natural world.The top line in The Creative shows an arrogant dragon who has lost his way and is breaking up. So All Lines Nines restores the Path through creating a flock of dragons without a head. The top line in The Receptive (2) shows belligerent dragons fighting in the wilderness – they have lost their devotion. So All Lines Sixes speaks of everlasting devotion being favourable. Devotion sustains the source of the virtue.
This again echoes the perpetual motion theme.At the hour around midnight it is the beginning of the new day yet still the previous night. This is to be without a head. Similarly spring begins the year without a head, and at the same time completes the year over its end. This is the power of the dragons without a head.
That makes even more sense for me. Two aspects that characterise the motion and direction of change. Seen in their purest form when H1 and H2 have all lines changing. Blending of strength and devotion.02-07-2023: I have replaced the image in this post due to the incorrect representation and indication of the dynamic force
"Why might only Hex 1 and Hex 2 be singled out for these comments?"
"Chilong 赤龍 (Red Dragon)
"After beheading the red dragon, the woman’s body will change into that of an
adolescent, and the yin, turbid blood will naturally cease to flow from beneath"
"Are there any references elsewhere to the meaning of all 6 changing lines for any of the other hexagrams?"
Simple: Something was started that wasn't finished.In the I Ching Hex 1 and 2 are the only hexagrams that have assigned meanings for when all 6 lines are changing...What light can anyone able to shine on why this might be?
Availing of the nines(all lines are transforming)
a) See the flocking dragons without a head
b) Availing of the nines.
heavenly actualizing tao does not permit activating the head indeed.
Availing of sixes(all lines are transforming)
a) Trial: perpetual Arvesting
b) Availing of the sixes, perpetual Trial.
Using the great completion indeed.
Perhaps it started and finished in the realm of hex 1 and 2 and was never intended to go elsewhere. Who knows?Simple: Something was started that wasn't finished.
(The special text of 1.7 & 2.7 ... 62 more to go, get to work on it my_key)
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It is.If your question is about Karcher's comprehension or motivations for anything....
That's a completely different subject.
I think the title came from me attempting to be succinct.The title of this thread confuses me. Is it humor? Or is it just general Karcher-speak?
Because 1.7 means dragons without a leader, the expression 'headless dragons'
is ripe with the potential for misunderstanding and it's use should be discouraged.
Decapitated wyrms anyone?
.......just to make it more informative....
from Karcher
"I Ching the classic Chinese oracle of change: a complete translation with concordance":
"Thank you - the information looks to have filled a gap. This book is by Retsima and Karcher and is not one in my library. Although I do have The Original I Ching Oracle by Retsima and Sabbadini."
But I also have access to other works by Karcher and they all mention the "7 line", except the Total I Ching.
Damn!! I knew I hadn't bought enough books written by Karcher
While I fully agree for H1 and H2 taking role of the earlier heaven trigrams they are made of, I have some doubt on H64 and H63 in this sequence. : )The Taoist approach to the I Ching is all about balance. In this approach, a moving line is not seen as a one-way street (i.e. from moving yang to yin), but as an interaction. A moving yang line is seen as too much of yang, being balanced by yin. So there is a constant interaction between the two polarities. (The same can be seen with the trigrams. Suppose trigram Fire has a moving yin line, then from the Taoist approach, balance is found by trigram Heaven.)
H1 and H2 are the primary forces, the ultimate yang and yin, each other's opposite. As archetypes, they are the Father and the Mother.
It is the interaction between these two primal forces that gives birth to "the 10,000 things." It is also the essence of change, through the interaction of yin and yang, change is possible.
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You might compare H1 and H2 to an electric motor, where the voltage between the coils (H1 and H2) activates the rotor (H64 - H63) and keeps it in a rotating motion (H64 → H1 → H63 → H2 →).
H1 and H2 thus are the driving force behind the motion.
So the moving of all 6 lines in H1 and H2, shows the fundamental force that keeps everything in motion, it reflects the eternal alternation of yin and yang.
Who says H63 and H64 are both present at the same time?As in my humble view, they can never be both present, either one will operate through 63(receinving line 6 from encompassing source) or through 64(creating their own source at line 6).
Who says H63 and H64 are both present at the same time?
H64 is figuratively the new beginning and H63 the result. Everything in the H63-H64 dynamic is cyclical. H1 and H2 are the driving force.
-hex1 would be the "summer solstice"
-hex2 would be the "winter solstice"
-hex64 would be the "spring equinox"
-hex63 would be the "autumn equinox"
There are no steps between them. This is about the 4 primal forces.Although if we set 63 and 64 there it becomes difficult to be sure what steps are between them.
You might compare H1 and H2 to an electric motor, where the voltage between the coils (H1 and H2) activates the rotor (H64 - H63) and keeps it in a rotating motion (H64 → H1 → H63 → H2 →).
H1 and H2 thus are the driving force behind the motion.
This is a different level, I believe you are confusing 2 systems. This has nothing to do with a calendar.But 11 as spring equinox and 12 as autumn equinox becomes very clear what steps are between them, so its traditionally close to what is used I assume(Yang line basically 'increasing' to show more light falling on the Earth during the day at that hemisphere).
Well, its challenging to avoid going into the calendars when solstices are mention, I think. As humanity way of measuring and understanding them comes together with calendars, it seems...The reference to winter solstice - summer solstice, etc. is more to indicate that things are cyclical than an actual reference to a calendar. In the image above, you can see that it is about the driving and dynamic forces and not a solar or lunar calendar related issue.
It occurs to me as if you just entered somewhere halfway through this thread and did not get the question and context of of the answers. I believe that if one reads this thread from the beginning, things are very clear and the various contributions make sense within the context of the question.Well, its challenging to avoid going into the calendars when solstices are mention, I think. As humanity way of measuring and understanding them comes together with calendars, it seems...
But fair enough, another system mapping out to Five Arts terminology something else from the world around us.
I still am missing what, however. What it is mapping out.
So this is system to mapping out something from the real world to the hexagrams... Can't be solstices and equinoxes as that is mapped out in different way(kinda explained above and in countless other places including Wilhelm).
So what is this interesting system mapping out?Where can we use it in practice and see it in the world around?
As if its just something not having any place in the world around us where it actually is "valid" then why use that?
Well, your post was the first reply, actually, so if I did enter halfway... Anyway I did go back all the way and reread it now... And I think I may be inclined to agree with your view. In the full topics context 63 and 64 fit perfectly while 11 and 12 would be out of place for this dynamic.It occurs to me as if you just entered somewhere halfway through this thread and did not get the question and context of of the answers. I believe that if one reads this thread from the beginning, things are very clear and the various contributions make sense within the context of the question.
Hi, I've laid up a part of an answer which I got from the pdf mentioned below. HERE (pg. 225-233)In the I Ching Hex 1 and 2 are the only hexagrams that have assigned meanings for when all 6 lines are changing. Most commentators that I have read include a mention of this in their work. The one that stands out for me as being different from the rest is Stephen Karcher. In the works I have seen of his there is no reference at all to all 6 lines changing.
A few questions:
What light can anyone able to shine on why this might be?
Is there a work by Karcher that makes comment on all changing lines for Hex 1 and Hex 2?
and on a slightly different note:
Why might only Hex 1 and Hex 2 be singled out for these comments?
Are there any references elsewhere to the meaning of all 6 changing lines for any of the other hexagrams?
Wow!! A whole chapter on the use of yang lines and all six changing. Not just one but four ways of looking at it.Hi, I've laid up a part of an answer which I got from the pdf mentioned below. HERE (pg. 225-233)
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From Joel Birocco (https://www.biroco.com/yijing/survey.htm)
"An Exposition of the I-Ching or Book of Changes: Wei Tat
This is 560 pages dedicated exclusively to the first two hexagrams. A serious-minded and thorough book that deals with symbolism, historical example, analogies and correspondences, transformation of lines, and penetrating discussion of phrases. One of the finest extended essays ever written on the I Ching. Published in 1970 in Taiwan by the Institute of Cultural Studies. Wei Tat was the brother of Henry Wei, the author of 'The Authentic I Ching'. [Ed's note – Another book that is difficult to find, so here's a PDF scan (84.5 Mb).]"
Really? The big question for me is how is your comment and the inclusion of the globe relating to all yang or all yin lines changing. That after all is the theme of this thread. I may well have missed something in the posts you, Hans and breakmov have made as the things you guys are exploring are newish material for me.But the big question becomes - how does that movement react with the hexagrams on the surface of the sphere?
Really? The big question for me is how is your comment and the inclusion of the globe relating to all yang or all yin lines changing. That after all is the theme of this thread. I may well have missed something in the posts you, Hans and breakmov have made as the things you guys are exploring are newish material for me.
It would be great to hear how you are making these connections in the globe to the 6 changing lines of H1 and H2. Otherwise it may be that you and any potential participants would benefit from exploring this topic, and your big question, in a separate new thread. The globe is a fascinating concept and deserves being honoured in its own right.
As an aside, the Yi-globe, if my memory serves me right, was previewed by it's creator in the forums of Clarity many years ago. I'm sure there are posts from that time that will explain what it represents and how it works and may well cover the questions you are asking.
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