Arrogance

[cal val]

ar·ro·gance
n.
The state or quality of being arrogant; overbearing pride.

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arrogance

\Ar"ro*gance, n. [F., fr. L. arrogantia, fr. arrogans. See Arrogant.] The act or habit of arrogating, or making undue claims in an overbearing manner; that species of pride which consists in exorbitant claims of rank, dignity, estimation, or power, or which exalts the worth or importance of the person to an undue degree; proud contempt of others; lordliness; haughtiness; self-assumption; presumption.

I hate not you for her proud arrogance. --Shak.

Syn: Haughtiness; hauteur; assumption; lordliness; presumption; pride; disdain; insolence; conceit; conceitedness. See Haughtiness.


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arrogance

n : overbearing pride evidenced by a superior manner toward inferiors [syn: haughtiness, hauteur, highhandedness, lordliness]


Source: WordNet ® 2.0, © 2003 Princeton University


Anyone?

Love,

Val

 

[Sparhawk]

Er... I know we are in a forum of "Diviners", but, are we also supposed to know what's in your mind?

. A small gift of context for the clueless, perhaps?

L

 

[bradford_h]

Val-
an interesting word etymologically
ad-rogare > arrogare
to not seek, to not ask
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ps Tried to write privately but had an old Email address.
I want to send you something.

 

[cal val]

Luis...

I apologize. Here's my lame excuse:

After I posted and started running around the office trying to beat a deadline, I realized that this would only be pertinent to those who have read the post by Ganesha in answer to Pakua in the MML, Part 2 thread (http://www.onlineclarity.co.uk/I_Ching_community/messages/48/2631.html?#POST23386). See my recent answer to her in that thread (http://www.onlineclarity.co.uk/I_Ching_community/messages/48/2631.html?#POST23464

So anyway here I am fixing things. Will you forgive me?

Love,

Val

 

[cal val]

Brad...

If the address in my profile didn't work, it may be that your attachment was too large for hotmail. I'll send you an email from another address, and we'll see how that works.

Love,

Val

 

[Sparhawk]

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Owww well.... Only because it is you... (here is where I'd usually insert a wisecrack about wants and desires but that would mean hijacking the thread)

Carry on children. I'll keep watching you.


L

 

[Sparhawk]

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hmmqqpphh!! Shut those thoughts down Luis!!! Keep your word, damn it!!

 

[ladyganesha]

Hi Val,
Arrogance also creeps in as the sense of entittlement; the notion that we deserve something or have the right to do, be, possess, etc.

Often times it is our ego that would exercise our 'right' when the flow of the situation would better call for its forfeiture. Maybe hexagram 6 lines 3 and 4 are examples of such a situation.
Lady

 

[cal val]

Ms. Ganesha...

A sense of entitlement certainly fits into the exorbitant claims category of arrogance. And STILL... arrogance is something that very insecure people project to protect themselves... to hide their vulnerability... whether to themselves... or to others. And it's STILL an unwise emotion, and one that I feel certain no man who was wise enough to go down in legend would feel.

Luis said something very interesting when I neglected to qualify my post... "Er... I know we are in a forum of "Diviners", but, are we also supposed to know what's in your mind?"

How are we to know what's in ANYONE's mind? Particularly those who are most probably a good deal wiser than we ever will be. And wouldn't it be presumptuous and a bit... uh... arrogant to THINK we know? or try to ASSERT we know?

I can't speak for any one of those men. Actually I really don't care to speak for anyone else regardless of whether they've gone down in legend or history... or not. But if I WERE to speculate about what they might have thought about their streaks of particularly bad luck... since we project onto others that which we know to be true about ourselves, I'd probably think, "okie dokie... I see a pattern emerging here... there is apparently something here I need to fix... now what is the best and fastest way to go about fixing it?" ... *grin* I'm a problem solver. And, as such, a sense of entitlement would be pretty darn close to the last thing on my mind.

Love ya,

Val

 

[ladyganesha]

Hi Val,
The kind of arrogance you speak is covered in hexagram 59. It is a survival mechanism used by the ego that keeps us apart/separated from others. To dissolve the separation, we must forget we have a self.

Problems are never solved at the level of the problem and that is why the solution to this kind of ego stalemate is to find a greater issue that each individual can commit his time and energy to. In time, this will break down the barriers that keep people in their ego centric positions which holds them apart.

I love the ICHING.
Lady

 

[cal val]

Ms. Ganesha...

Words are wonderful things... the English language is a wonderful thing... it helps us to communicate exactly what we mean. And to communicate exactly what we mean, over time we have created more and more words that are increasingly specific... so that there is no confusion. The English language constantly expands... words are constantly added. It doesn't contract so that one word means a plethora of things. So, after reading your last post, I had this rather comical vision of a team of psychiatrists and psychologists sitting around saying "Now to make sure we're on the same page, just what kind of arrogance are you talking about? the official definition in the DSM-IV? or one of the many re-definitions?"

Something dawned on me last night. I see a lot of rationalization on this forum... a lot of effort put into denial. We all do it, of course, but this forum seems to be where it's volume is turned up... most probably because our membership constitutes the more insecure of humankind and we're all looking for magical cures to our inner ills from the I Ching... hoping the I Ching will make it all go away without our having to make the effort. And I see a lot of people confuse "want" with "need" here. A sense of entitlement (which is symptomatic of pathological narcissism or a manic episode of bipolar disorder) is the delusional manifestation of "want." I'm not saying all bipolars experience this ever-so-troublesome sense of entitlement, of course... it's part of the narcissistic qualities that often but not always manifest in a manic episode.

I've dealt with it from two bipolars I know, and not had to deal with it from others. My brother took over my apartment once (the last time I saw him) because of a sense of entitlement, and I had to call the police to remove him. And a bipolar friend believed he was entitled to all my time on demand and got angry if I didn't respond on demand because of that ever-so-troublesome sense of entitlement. It never crossed his mind that I might have other things to do with my time. I also was in love with a bipolar who never once exhibited a sense of entitlement in the entire time we knew each other... thank God!

So, thinking about all this last night, I wondered just why a person might need to redefine a less-than-desirable attitude... a symptom of a lack of mental well-being... and apply it to the world's greatest teachers. And then I wondered, Ms. Ganesha, especially after reading your post about the situation you've put yourself in, whether you have indeed overcome your own mental illness as you claim... or if you've merely rationalized it away by redefining your symptoms and applying them to the greatest names in the history of man. It would appear from that same post, that you just might wonder too.

Love,

Val

 

[cal val]

Oh and PS...

I don't do ego. Freud coined that word. And he meant it for men... not women. In fact, he got so altogether paranoid about women over time that I find it very difficult to give any credibility to anything he ever said. I do try though... *grin* Have you ever read "The Second Sex" by Simone De Beauvoir?

Actually I don't do ego anyway.. regardless of Freud. We've come so far in our understanding of human psychology and the human brain since he sat sniffing cocaine and philosophizing that his concept of id, ego and superego are far outdated.

Love,

Val

 

[micheline]

Val, I don't understand the hostility to Lady Ganesha here. Or the judgements about her "mental" condition. Whether you "do ego" or not, the ego mind exists, and it has a strong hold in human behavior and all judgements of any kind.

Arrogance is a hallmark of the egoistic mind-set.

What Lady Ganesha seems to be saying is that humility....i.e. a humble acceptance of What Is... counters this arrogance of the ego..... That unto itself, the ego-mind is not capable of enlightenment, or enlightened solutions to ego-driven dilemnas..because the ego mind is the source of those dilemnas.

The ego mind cannot free itself of itself...nor does it really care to. Relegated to its proper place, the ego mind can be respected for its function, but it isnt the All-Knower. Trouble is, it likes to think it is.

To converse with the Yi, far from being a symptom of "insecurity" and arrogance, CAN be a manifestation of humility...the willingness to be led by a source of impartial wisdom greater than that of the individual ego mind.

What I heard Lady G say is NOT so much the Christ and Job were arrogant, but that their last frontier was the clinging to "justice", the ego's notion of right/wrong, good/bad...... and that once this was dissolved in a final surrender, transformation occured.
At least that is what I heard from her. And I tend to agree.

 

[candid]

Lady,

I base this on believing your words here as true.

I try at most all costs to not tell others what they should or should not do. I have some experience with consensual power exchange, and your current situation is extremely dangerous. I also don?t like being dramatic unless it?s purely for comic relief. But there?s no humor in the danger you are permitting this male (he?s not a man in my book) by consenting to his blatant abuse. And by staying, you are consenting.

I must strongly advise you to not wait before getting out of that situation. You may think you are doing the right thing by being understanding. You may believe the Ching supports your tolerance. But anyone who locks someone in a house or apartment with no way of escaping and then leaves them there unattended is a criminal. Sane, insane, nice but disturbed ? it doesn?t matter. He is a criminal and he is using you as his victim. If you value your life, get out of that situation, pronto! And if you defend his actions to law enforcement rather than present the evidence of his abuse, you?re nuttier than he is.

Get out while you can. Please.

Candid

 

[candid]

I do not mean to insult you. But neither will I apologize for my words. I?m very upset over this situation you?re in. If your story is absolutely true, you must extricate yourself ASAP.