Bao Ti (Bao Gua)

[hmesker]

Or, should that be onomatopoeias his drum? Had to look that one up, btw, Leave it to the Dutch to teach Americans English.

*grin* Years ago, when I was young, we had this tv program about comic books, 'Wordt Vervolgd'. The program told about the latest comic books, but also gave background information about the making of comics. One episode they told about the words you see in every Marvel comic: BAFF! CRRRACK-K-K! BOIINGK! WHHAMMMM! and I learned that these were called onomatopoeias. I never forgot the word ever since.....

Harmen.

 

[bruce_g]

*grin* Years ago, when I was young, we had this tv program about comic books, 'Wordt Vervolgd'. The program told about the latest comic books, but also gave background information about the making of comics. One episode they told about the words you see in every Marvel comic: BAFF! CRRRACK-K-K! BOIINGK! WHHAMMMM! and I learned that these were called onomatopoeias. I never forgot the word ever since.....

Harmen.

*snickers at when I was young*

So that's your secret of linguistic excellence, American comics!

Yes, those, erm, onomatopoeias are far more direct than actual words, aren't they? Like verbal pictographs from kids playing in a sandbox. That's how I've always imagined ancient or prehistoric languages. The language of trigrams communicates in a like manner, or least as I've always reckoned with them. The sound of thunder is more direct than the meaning of the sound of thunder. A sweeping gesture of hands, a verbal "BOOM!" and an astonished face is worth a thousand explanations.

 

[frank]

Reminds me of a technique a dutch fellow I met years ago, Rense Posthumus, Harmen knows him too, was experimenting with something he called ´Surounded Hexagram´, and besides the technique discussed here for that technique you use the lines 5,6,1 to form the lower trigram, and the lines, 6,1,2 for the upper trigram... so as in this example... the surrounded hexagram for hexagram 60 would then be hexagram 49 and in 59 it would then be hexagram 38... Just remembered it. Haven´t realy a clou if it could give some help to this discussion interpetations of trigrams, or lifts another fog...

Regards,
Frank C

 

[Sparhawk]

Interesting, Frank. I wonder if Harmen knows if there is a Chinese name for that. I mean, not a simple translation per se of "Surrounded Hexagram" into Chinese, but an old and established Chinese name, like Bao Ti, that's been in use for centuries. If that's the case, I can look it up in Nielsen's book. Haven't got to that part yet...


L

 

[hmesker]

I think it is called the burenshi gua 不認識卦, which means the 'I-have-never-heard-of-it' hexagram. At least that is what I call it. I cannot find it in my xiangshu books, but that does not surprise me as the Chinese hardly ever combined new invented trigrams to make a hexagram. They did use nuclear trigrams, but the usage of making a hexagram of it seems to be a Western approach, as far as I can see. In the same fashion they use baoti trigrams but do not make a hexagram of it. The focus was more on trgrams instead of hexagrams.

Harmen.

 

[Sparhawk]

I think it is called the burenshi gua 不認識卦, which means the 'I-have-never-heard-of-it' hexagram.

Folks, we have a new name for odd-ball theories...

Thanks, Harmen!

Luis

 

[surnevs]

Is anyone familiar with “Master” Alfred Huang’s “The Numerology of the I Ching”?

Still, after such a while since it can be recommended, it's the price worth, like with Bent Nielsens....