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Hexagram 64: Not Yet Across

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Its name and nature


At the very end of the Yijing comes the hexagram called Not Yet Across – the embodiment of incompletion and imperfection, an ellipsis in hexagram form. It’s a very large-scale, oracle-sized joke about our expectations of tidiness and order.

The Chinese name has two characters: 未濟, wei meaning ‘not-yet’ and ji meaning ‘across’. 未 , wei, originally shows a tree in bud, not yet flowering. Intriguingly, the same character is part of the character mei, 妹, meaning ‘maiden’ – as in Hexagram 54, ‘Marrying Maiden’. Etymologically, a maiden is a ‘Woman Not-Yet’.

ji, ‘across’, is the same character as in Hexagram 63, ‘Already Across’. I wrote about that one,

‘Across’ has two parts: the river, and a sign for what is neat, together, complete, like a field of grain ready for harvest. Together, the word means ‘cross a river’[…]

River crossing is a big, important image in the Yijing, of course, with the expression ‘cross the great river’ describing a significant and risky commitment. Crossing rivers in old China was perilous in general, not something you’d undertake if still unsure of your direction.

The image also has two more specific roots: one military, one marital. The Zhou people had a great river to cross to enter the territory of the Shang regime they were called to overthrow. And as part of marriage rituals, men and women would cross rivers to be with one another. Both of these provide useful ways of thinking about what kind of commitment ‘river crossing’ can represent in readings now – in the ‘cross the great river’ idiom, and in hexagrams 63 and 64.
The fox’s dilemma

‘Not yet across, creating success.
The small fox, almost across,
Soaks its tail:
No direction bears fruit.’

Hexagram 64, the Oracle

Tradition says that this is about a fox trying to cross a frozen river, walking on the ice, and not falling in.

The Book of Songs offers some clues as to the symbolic significance of the fox. There are songs about crossing the river to reach one’s partner, and there are also foxes stalking through songs of courtship.

The fox of Hexagram 64 seems to have a lot to do with marriage, and indeed I’ve seen quite a few readings with commitment-phobic potential partners represented as this fox.

However, this isn’t only about hesitancy: the fox is in real danger. Here’s an unusual story of a fox that came to grief crossing a frozen river – unusual, because the fox was rescued. There are plenty of reports of foxes dying in frozen rivers: getting stuck, falling in, frozen into solid ice. (And also plenty of folk tales of animals – foxes included – trying to fish through ice holes with their tales, and getting stuck.) If the fox gets his tail wet, it will be weighed down and drag along the ice – where it may freeze on and hold him fast. Then no direction will bear fruit.

So crossing this river comes with real risk. You can be almost there and still get stuck, ‘not continuing to the end’ as the Tuanzhuan (Commentary on the Judgement) says. You want to be very, very sure of the state of the ice before you commit yourself, and you need to keep your ears pricked as you make your way across.

This is one of those cases where ‘no direction bears fruit’ could have a double meaning. If you get caught by the tail, you can pull in any direction and won’t get free. But if you moved without a set direction, always responding to circumstances, perhaps having no direction would bear fruit in a successful crossing.

Not Yet Across as primary and relating hexagram


When Not Yet Across is the relating hexagram – the one revealed when all the moving lines are changed – it seems to be more likely to describe a fear of commitment. (‘What if I go past a point of no return?’) In some of my readings, with hindsight, the commitment would have been a good one to make, for others not so much, and for many I’m still not sure.

When it’s the primary (cast) hexagram, the emphasis is less on mindset, and more on the unresolved nature of the situation. I found a whole string of examples in my journal where I’d already found a solution to a problem, but for some reason wanted to keep looking. Sometimes this was probably a case of ‘the grass is always greener on the other side of the river,’ but at other times it reflected a situation that just naturally keeps on evolving, and doesn’t lend itself to resolution. Perhaps in those, I’m always going to be like the fox, still picking my way across the ice.

This can make Hexagram 64 feel thoroughly frustrating – especially if you’re aware of having ‘arrived’ at Hexagram 63 already. So you’ve got everything done? Maybe, but everything is still to do.

‘Things cannot be finished, and so Not Yet Across follows – and so the completion.’

Hexagram 63, Sequence

The Zagua, the 10th Wing of the Yijing that describes hexagrams in contrasting pairs, actually compares 64 not with 63 but with 54 – the Marrying Maiden, or ‘Not-Yet Woman’:

‘Marrying Maiden: completion for the woman.
Not Yet Across: exhaustion of the male.’

The Zagua

It helps, I think, to imagine ‘the male’ here as using strength to obtain a result: goal-oriented activity, pursuing one’s own direction. The oracles of both these hexagrams will tell you that ‘no direction bears fruit’, and really, the marrying maiden’s situation isn’t so different from that of the fox: unable to choose her own path, compelled to respond to circumstances.

To appreciate Hexagram 64, to respond to it intelligently, you might need to find a less ‘male’ approach. Here’s a river you can’t necessarily finish crossing, or a conquest of Demon Country that might never be complete.

Already Across, Not Yet Across and Demon Country


As I wrote before, hexagrams 63 and 64 have a uniquely close relationship: they’re one another’s inverse, and opposite, and nuclear hexagram, and exchanged-trigram hexagram. This structural intertwining translates into thematic closeness, too. There’s always a sense that the dividing line between them is very thin, and you’re never far from the paired hexagram.

You can see that closeness vividly in 63.3 –

‘The high ancestor attacks the Demon Country.
Three years go round, and he overcomes it.
Don’t use small people.’

Hexagram 63, line 3

and 64.4 –

‘Constancy, good fortune, regrets vanish.
The Thunderer uses this to attack the Demon Country.
Three years go round, and there are rewards in the great city.’

Hexagram 64, line 4

These two are ‘paired lines’: the same line, in effect, just seen with the hexagram inverted:

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‘Demon Country’ is the name of a bordering state that constantly threatened the peace of the Shang, and later of the Zhou. The ‘high ancestor’ was the Shang king Wu Ding – who, we learn, finally subdued the enemy after a three year campaign.

And the ‘Thunderer’, who wages another three year campaign in 64.4? He’s thought to have been a Zhou general, waging war on behalf of his Shang overlords a century or more after Wu Ding.

So this prefigures the rising strength of the Zhou – but it also illustrates quite plainly that Wu Ding’s victory wasn’t a permanent one. And I imagine everyone in Zhou times would have known that the ‘Demon Country problem’ hadn’t gone away with the Thunderer’s victory, either.

In readings, this line points to all those things that keep coming back to haunt you and disturb your peace – and it does this not just with these two tales from history, but also with the hexagrams’ structure. First, the paired lines reflect one another. And second, changing these lines carries you all the way back to Hexagrams 3 and 4 – the longest gap between hexagrams bridged by any single line change – saying more clearly than any words, ‘Just when you think you’ve finished, you’re starting all over again.’

Fire, water and whiskers


The trigrams of Hexagram 64 are – just as in 63, Already Across – fire and water. They’re complementary trigrams: you can imagine sliding them together, seeing yang lines slot neatly into the spaces provided by yin ones. It all fits: fire and water go together; they’ll make steam, cook your food… once you get the water above the fire. Not Yet Across has all the right elements in all the wrong places; the challenge is to sort them out.

‘Fire dwells above stream. Not yet across.
A noble one carefully differentiates between beings, so each finds its place.’

Hexagram 64, Image

The noble one is using the light-giving qualities of fire above, shining into the currents below. It reminds me of the fox on the ice: ears pricked, whiskers quivering, all attuned to sense what’s moving under his paws.

‘Differentiating’ (something the noble one also did in Hexagram 13’s Image) means distinguishing between, discriminating, clarifying, and hence managing, governing. And here, she differentiates carefully – a character that includes the heart radical. The qualities of water – emotional flow and depth – are engaged, too.

What does it mean to ‘differentiate between beings’ with emotional care? I think Balkin put it exceptionally well:

‘You have to understand the elements of the situation and all the forces at your disposal. You have to get people working together rather than against each other, and you have to get all of your resources working together in synch rather than randomly and haphazardly.’

Jack Balkin, The Laws of Change

This can be an internal process, too, though – a kind of emotional intelligence. For instance, is that reluctance just a product of fear, or is it intuitive guidance? This kind of question, where you try to ‘find the place’ for your own ideas and reactions, is also 64-work, and very important for the fox.

(And if this article seems oddly unfinished…)

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Wonderful article and a superb end!

Thank you.

I have too much on today, but will come back and add a more metaphysical take in the next couple of days. The dark water to your bright seeing perhaps. Don't hold your breath though after many years I still can't fathom this pair, but I think we are not supposed to.

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@Liselle, why did you delete the floof? :(

Kevin - metaphysics welcome. I'm fairly sure you are meant to think you've got this pair sorted, and then find you haven't and it's all still to do ;)

(Funny story: I wrote this article and was all prepared to start celebrating getting all 64 done at last - only to find there's one still outstanding.)
 

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That will be 63? Laughing like a drain here. Magnificent :)

In terms of understanding this pair I've been trapped in those revolving doors for oh, so many years.

Just when I'm looking in I find in makes no sense until I look behind me. And, behind me makes no sense unless I know where I'm headed. And, I can't be on both banks of the river a the same time. I have so much sympathy with that fox!
 
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Thank Hilary.

My general sense of hexagram 63 - how I best make sense of it - comes from the trigrams. Here water is placed above the flame. I understand it as something like: 'so, we've now set the cauldron full of water to boil over the fire, but we are not done; we need to ... make sure there's enough water so the cauldron doesn't run dry, and also maintain the fire so it neither goes out nor overcooks the water ....'

Which is to say, after completing a task we start the maintenance period: we plant a garden and when it is 'Already Complete' we still need to water, weed and care for it (and it might be implied here that if we do all this, we can then benefit from the garden, via harvesting its flowers and vegetables).

I've never seen the trigrams for 64 in this same way, but looking at it now ... here we have fire above the water. Upon reflection, things seem out of place - there's not supposed to be fire above the abyss! (at least not to me!). So maybe things are 'Not Yet Complete' - there's more work to be done here, things to be set right, put in their proper or more natural place, or order ....

... and, as exemplified by the oracle text, it is not the time nor the place to stop in our efforts in setting things right - in making them complete; because if we do stop half-way 'across', we run the risk of ... getting our tails soaked in icy water ... which is not such a good thing ....

... and as the image text for 64 also suggests, we do all this to make things 'fang1' - which might be (from a more moralist, Confucian view) to make the situation honest, just, straighforward, upright ....

Best, D.
 
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I think it's also that when things are in their right place, they work: the kettle boils, you know where you are and what you're doing. Something far from clear in 64.
 
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I think it's also that when things are in their right place, they work: the kettle boils, you know where you are and what you're doing. Something far from clear in 64.
.... and just when I thought I was being so sly and foxy in my response! :cool:
 

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Well, I have a weeks more reading laid out for this pair! So I'm going to draw on old thoughts as well as a little of the new.

Yijing can be read on many levels, the mundane, psychological and metaphysical are the basic categories I think in when considering Yijing.

Here I want to look at the pair in metaphysical terms. I am going to use Stephen Karcher's language which is is well thought through and revealing. Though, at times it can grate on my post enlightenment mind.

The pair 63:64 makes sense when the pair 61:62 is first considered in the same metaphysical manner.

61:62 Represents a major site of transformative change ("Site of intense shamanic activity." Karcher. "Dragon Gates" Schorre and Dunne). I will come back to the the why and what of this another time. Essentially Hx. 61 is the moment in our lives where our open heart-mind (Trigram Dui) reaches out to an outer manifestation (upper trigram) of circulating spirit winds. It's where our heart-mind's call is answered and we gain insight from the ever circulating winds which carry the inspiration of heaven (in the Yi sense not Judaic) to all things. Its core theme/nuclear hexagram is Hx. 27 the Tigers Mouth "Nourishing and being nourished, literally and spiritually" (SK).

Hx. 61 is the inspiration of the 61:62 pair and Hx.62 is the place where it manifests. Hx.62 in this vein can be seen as the Spirit parting from this world. The small flying bird that makes a journey. It's core theme/nuclear hexagram is Hx. 28 the the great transition which must take place after the replenishment changes of Hx.27 (Nuclear) in Hx.61. Hx.62 is driven by this 'Great Transition' energy. The time there is too full, too charged and must change.

In Hx. 62 The lower Trigram Kan is the inner world stilled, at peace even. The upper trigram Zen, Shake/Thunder is the momentous change taking place in the (personal here) outer world.

Thus our small flying spirit (bird) leaves for the great revolving gates 63:64.

The pair 63:64 have some astonishing qualities. Hx 1:2 are the most differentiated pair in the sequence and at the end of the King Wen process we have the most integrated pair in the sequence.

63:64 Have the following qualities:
Each is the others nuclear hexagram
Each is the others Opposite Hexagram
Each is the others Inverse Hexagram
Each is the others Reverse Hexagram

When the lines of the pair change at the margins (lines one and six) they move to hexagram pairs 37:38 and 39:40 whose own nuclear hexagrams are 63:64. Thus at the margins hexagram 63 has an exchange of 64 energy and Hx. 64 has the same from Hx. 63.

I see nuclear hexagrams which are not 1:2 or 63:64 as modulators of the energy from these two pairs. Their nuclear hexagrams are always 1:2 and 63:64 which I see as the core energies powering change.

37:38 is the movement from dwelling people to one leaving the dwelling and going on a journey, a quest (Puer going forth from the community to find that which is required).

39:40 May be seen as the Limping Struggle of Yu, or the wounded Puer completing their quest, in Deliverance at Hx.40. The margins are important here they are the influx of the energy entering the hexagram in the lower trigram as an unexpressed Yang or stimulation and leaving as a fully formed, yet now fading, manifestation of the time. These are the places of transmission and transition.

This is why I see the pair 63:64 as Great Revolving Gates, the energy in the pair is passed back and forth. Though it’s not a closed system. Just the representation of the final loom weaving together the warp and weft of the King Wen change sequence.

Thus far I have tried do demonstrate that in metaphysical terms 63:64 are also post sequence. Just as in metaphysical terms 1:2 are pre-sequence.


Continuing with 63:64:
Again SK’s Archetypal thought/language is appropriate here:

“The Pair centers on the personal struggle to connect with the great final vision of life’s purpose. It exchanges influence with 39:40 (Comings and Goings that Release the spirit). Its inner drive is 37:38 (The Dwelling and the Ghosts that Haunt it). Center and threshold lines relate the theme and process to 3:4 (Sprouting and Nurturing the New); 5:6 (The Temple and the Council, first experience of royal power); 35:36 (Rising and Setting Sun, recognition and the difficult journey); and 49:50 (Revolution and Casting the New Vessel).” SK.

Looking at the Trigrams:
Hx.63 After Completion / Already Across
Li, bright knowing beneath Kan the Gorge with its dark rushing water. Here SK refers to Li as Spirit and Kan as the Ghost River. I sometimes wonder whether Spirit and Soul (Jungian model) might be more appropriate, but I will stay with Karcher’s idea just now.

The Confucians saw Trigrams as having a direction of movement. Some like Heaven rise and others like Earth have a downwards movement. Here Li is rising and Kan moves downwards. Li, the Spirit is rising out of the Ghost River – The process, whatever that might be is complete. We are already

In Hx.64 Before Completion / Nor Yet Across Li, the Spirit is submerged in Kan 'Ghost River'. The process is underway and not complete. The Spirit has not yet emerged from the Ghost River.

Making sense of SK’s 'Ghost River' took me quite some thought and imagining. I think its not a place full of ghost’s and ghoule's, but a place where Souls reside something like the Judaic idea of the Holy Ghost. For me it is a Soul Place. Yijing seems to indicate that there is some sort of processing of Spirit taking place here. This is the point where many years ago I set the Yijing down and explored this process through active dreaming. They were vivid dreams charged with Numen. In short they suggested that 64 was a Spirit cleansing process. A washing away of the accumulated world and 63 was the birth of the renewed Spirit which travels ever onward. Not Yet Completed.

The fact that Hx.63 and Hx. 64 are this way around Already Crossing and Not Yet Across is one of the great perfections of the King Wen Sequence.

I will come back to the changing lines in another post in this thread. I will also explain why I chose such a pretty yet threatening fox picture above.
 
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I experience 64 as describing the experience of being between lives. The old life has completed and the molecules that held it together are now dispersed and looking to realign in a formation more in sync with the soul's actual level of awareness. The Bob Dylan lyric, "He not busy being born is busy dying" seems appropriate here. Also, The Beatles "I am you and you are me and we are all together."
 
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I experience 64 as describing the experience of being between lives. The old life has completed and the molecules that held it together are now dispersed and looking to realign in a formation more in sync with the soul's actual level of awareness.
Thanks. I'm wondering how you might look at this 'inbetween' place when responding to a more worldly or mundane query - say a business venture or love interest? (I ask this with some hesitancy, because I think that the responses are understood within the context and framework of the question/query, and here we don't really have a question.)

Best, D.
 
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I see nuclear hexagrams which are not 1:2 or 63:64 as modulators of the energy from these two pairs. Their nuclear hexagrams are always 1:2 and 63:64 which I see as the core energies powering change.
It's worth noting that there are only 16 hexagrams which can be nuclear ones (16 out of 64), so each nuclear is the nuclear for four hexagrams. Which means that many of the connections you find with 63:64 you can also find with many, if not all, the hexagrams.
Thus far I have tried do demonstrate that in metaphysical terms 63:64 are also post sequence. Just as in metaphysical terms 1:2 are pre-sequence.
It sounds like you're saying that 1 and 2 and 63 and 64 are somehow 'outside' (pre and post) of the actual hexagrams? We all have our ways of seeing and understanding the Yi, but I just don't see these hexagrams in that way.

Consider if I had a reading that was 2.1.3.5 > 63. I don't really see this any differently than a reading where I had 27.2.4 > 38, or one where I had 54uc. (I might, in digging into the first example, consider, hmm, each of these is one in from the beginning and end of the hexagram sequence; I wonder if that means anything? But that's just an observation - not an indication of something being more 'special' about this response than any other response.)

In my mind, they are all specific or unique responses to unique queries and questions. I think they can all have the same levels of insight, meaning, and transformation. And I see them as all having the potential for 'astonishing qualities', not just 1:2 and 63:64.

Best, D.
 
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Hi D
No, only when looking at the sequence in metaphysical terms. From the Dazhuan, "The one gave birth to the two and the two gave birth to the myriad of things." The two being represented by Hxs 1 and 2. Hx.3 being the start of the myriad of things. In this light 1:2 are generative and pre-mundane.

When looking the responses of Yijing to mundane questions, yes, of course we include 1:2 and 63:64.

In a similar way the Pair 61:62 draws the life cycle to a close. 63:64 come after that 'ending'.

I say again this is only when viewing the sequence in this metaphysical light.

With regard to connections and nuclear hexagrams. What you say is correct. What is different here is those changing lines emanate from 63:64 and they return directly through their own nuclear hexagrams back to 63:64 that is different from most of the nuclear hexagram paths (excepting the margins, lines one and six changing in the Pair 1:2. (Curious that) It's not about the maths per se, it's about what is going on.

This is not a response to a question. It is trying to uncover the inerrant meaning of this pair. The "What are they doing" in the change sequence.

I disagree, these two pairs are doing something very different compared to all other pairs. The opposites,inverse etc The way they mainly move energy back and forth. The way they are one of the only two pairs which result from following the nuclear hexagram path. Though I would agree every reading, as you say, has 'astonishing qualities'. The matrix of King Wen is a most beutifull and intricate thing.

Best to you

Kevin
 
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As a response to a mundane question I find 64 says some phase has completed and some new situation is now being set up. Like after you have completed moving out of your parents’ house and now are looking to setup your new apartment. You oughtn't rush to run up your credit cards or meet all the neighbors. Let the new order emerge.

The lines describe the 6 steps to creating the new order:
1. Before sending the moving van away, check to see if you left anything behind.
2. Arrange things carefully. No need to rush to buy all new furnishings.
3. Live in the new situation, become familiar with it. How is it different? What is the same?
4. Let fears and emotions calm down. Keep focused on goal.
5. Live the life you have imagined for yourself.
6. Don’t take your improved circumstances for granted.
 
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No, only when looking at the sequence in metaphysical terms .... In this light 1:2 are generative and pre-mundane .... When looking the responses of Yijing to mundane questions, yes, of course we include 1:2 and 63:64.

.... What is different here is those changing lines emanate from 63:64 and they return directly ... back to 63:64 .... This is not a response to a question. It is trying to uncover the inerrant meaning of this pair. The "What are they doing" in the change sequence.

I disagree, these two pairs are doing something very different compared to all other pairs .... Though I would agree every reading, as you say, has 'astonishing qualities'. The matrix of King Wen is a most beutifull and intricate thing.
Thanks Kevin. I get the sense that we may be looking at different aspects of the Yi or how the Yi responds, which is not to say either one is right or more right.

I think I may not entirely understand what you mean by 'metaphysical' but no matter - I think I get a sense of it, and maybe at some point I might delve into the hexagrams in a similar way.

I'd only add that recently, digging into a few readings, I found myself thinking sometime along the lines of, 'wow, this must be a very important (or the most important) hexagram, line, trigram, etc! - Okay, so maybe a bit of drama on my part, but I think you get the idea! As you said, 'a most beautiful and intricate thing.'

Best, D.
 

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It's worth noting that there are only 16 hexagrams which can be nuclear ones (16 out of 64), so each nuclear is the nuclear for four hexagrams. Which means that many of the connections you find with 63:64 you can also find with many, if not all, the hexagrams.
Some, but not many. 63 and 64 are the only pair that are one another's nuclear hexagrams. They're not the only opposite-and-inverse pair (4 of those), and obviously not the only exchanged-trigram pair, but they are the only pair that have all these qualities at once.
When the lines of the pair change at the margins (lines one and six) they move to hexagram pairs 37:38 and 39:40 whose own nuclear hexagrams are 63:64. Thus at the margins hexagram 63 has an exchange of 64 energy and Hx. 64 has the same from Hx. 63.
Er... but it is (naturally) true that every hexagram's first and sixth lines change to one with the same nuclear.
37:38 is the movement from dwelling people to one leaving the dwelling and going on a journey, a quest (Puer going forth from the community to find that which is required).

39:40 May be seen as the Limping Struggle of Yu, or the wounded Puer completing their quest, in Deliverance at Hx.40. The margins are important here they are the influx of the energy entering the hexagram in the lower trigram as an unexpressed Yang or stimulation and leaving as a fully formed, yet now fading, manifestation of the time. These are the places of transmission and transition.
Enjoying this. Also I suggest looking at complements!

Actually, it's interesting to look at all the 'Steps of Change' from 63/64 in terms of complementary hexagrams. The two complements closest together in the Sequence are 38 and 39, of course. The two furthest apart are 3 and 50. The next-furthest apart are 5 and 35. What do all these hexagrams have in common...? ;)
Hx.63 After Completion / Already Across
Li, bright knowing beneath Kan the Gorge with its dark rushing water. Here SK refers to Li as Spirit and Kan as the Ghost River. I sometimes wonder whether Spirit and Soul (Jungian model) might be more appropriate, but I will stay with Karcher’s idea just now.

The Confucians saw Trigrams as having a direction of movement. Some like Heaven rise and others like Earth have a downwards movement. Here Li is rising and Kan moves downwards. Li, the Spirit is rising out of the Ghost River – The process, whatever that might be is complete. We are already

In Hx.64 Before Completion / Nor Yet Across Li, the Spirit is submerged in Kan 'Ghost River'. The process is underway and not complete. The Spirit has not yet emerged from the Ghost River.
I do like the idea of li and kan here, and their direction of movement, as spirits and ghosts. Hun and po souls, maybe?
Only... li is fully immersed in kan in 63, and outside it in 64...?
 

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Only... li is fully immersed in kan in 63, and outside it in 64...?

Good point.
So in 63 the Spirit/Soul is already immersed and in 64 we have not yet immersed. After some six hours I think I ended on both banks at the same time! Thanks for correcting.

And, yes the steps of change, I didn't get that far and they are most informative of the process.
 
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[QUOTE


fox walking cautiously over ice

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And the fox?

Foxes 'enjoy' so many different and quite powerful mythic images in China and Siberia.

At times they are seen as shape shifters, carrying evil spirits, being the embodiment of evil spirits and being tricksters demons. In all these guises they are able to move across the boundary between the spirit world and the material world.

They were worshiped in an ancestral manner in some parts of China at some times as well.

Generally they were unwelcome and feared.

In literature they were also used metaphorically as suitors and as people who were tricksters, or crafty.

However they were also seen as great debt payers and any good done for them would see them returning as spirit foxes to bring wealth and great good fortune.

Given all of this I am surprised that Yijing is not full of them.

However, given the above, it is little surprise to find one crossing the great river here.

Here is a paper exploring the fox image in the East.
 

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So in 63 the Spirit/Soul is already immersed and in 64 we have not yet immersed. After some six hours I think I ended on both banks at the same time!
Mind your tail!

Definitely revolving doors. Is the fox crossing the river on his way out, or back? The separation of hun and po, or (re)incarnation?
 

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:giggle: Chuckling at Hillaries wit!

Mythically in China the foxcan cross back and forth from the Spirit realm at will. Re-incanation? Hm, depending on hoe one sees 63:64 that might be implied. 🦊

Well, I guess the little fox is near enough the bank in question?

Looking at Steps Gua (Steps of Change using Trigrams):

In Hx.63 The fox has a definite slight limp! And it perhaps has little insight as to what is going on. (Li > Gen).

In Hx. 64 It is diverging from somewhere and it's somewhat obstructed, in the marshy ground at the edge of the river (Dui). Making a bit of a din too? Calling for help from the bright Spirit above? (Dui to Li above)?

When I'm exploring particularly difficult ideas a small fox quite often joins me, uninvited, on my active dreaming trips. Some of the stunts it pulls have me laughing so hard I sometimes wake up.

I had a long journey to make in one dream and used a horse. From the moon down to the Earth as it happens. We had just come from Selene's halls. Looking at the little fox, that was accompanying me as a guide, or just tagging along, it's not always clear, I invited it to jump up. The fox looked about and an upturned circular battle like shield appeared and the fox jumped in... it was faster than the horse! UFF comes to mind - Fox humour at it's best! I asked the fox where it got the shield and it shuffled about uncomfortably and looked back the way we had come. The thought that it was 'on loan' was heard. Did I see it wink? I think that for a while the moon's disc when missing. More mischeavous fox humour.

Another time I was seeking something to aid me on a quest for answers to something. In the dream I was faced with a massive un-climable wall and large oak cathedral like doors, which held fast. The little fox appeared and showed me a hidden unlocked garden door at the back. I openned the door the little fox took me straight to the item I needed and then followed me back out of the door with a small bag which it had, "borrowed". It looked over it's shoulder rather a lot as we left. Beware of openning doors for foxes... There might be a bargain.

So, whatever that little fox in 63:64 I would certainly fleece it for any missing, veils particularly and perhaps for a map as well.

Who knows an offering of doggy treats might be sufficient for the 63:64 crossing. Mental note to self: 'Carry Doggy Treats... might siffice for a token on the River Styx?
 
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Still rooting around in the 63 / 64 maze and found this old thread that adds some interesting points.
 

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