Blog post: Not being psychic

[marybluesky]

If you suspect divination of being wrong as a whole, and you do not suspect that it was its interpretation that was wrong, then maybe divination is not your kind of thing after all.

I have seen accurate readings that made me wonder, and am interested in divination in general. So I'm not likely to forget about it anytime soon.

This means that the interpretation was wrong.

We have discussed in to some degree in this thread: when the lines are positive but the whole situation may not develop as well. Example: the line says "Nothing that would not act to further" (the case of 50.6); but we can't expect the caldron of good quality to be effective, as the 6th line indicates the removal of the situation described in the hexagram. The line is just a part of the whole, right, but it literally indicates "acting to further"- a big promise. How should these words be interpreted? Not the subject of this thread. The experience can be a factor. My point is, if we can't rely on the words of explanations, on what we can??

In a world where everything can change, does it seem reasonable to ask about the future?

I don't know if I get it right- are you saying that we have better to use the I Ching divination for getting insight into the moment rather than predicting the future?

I've come to the hypothesis that for relationships Yi sometimes offers a picture of the highest level of connection there can be between 2 souls regardless of their role or 'name' in your life.

Then in my example, the I Ching may refer to a high potential for intimacy with X by saying "good fortune" rather than its realization.

So I think Yi is 'ahead' of us not simply in the predictive sense but answering us, ourselves, addressing us from a higher perspective where there's more view and so more understanding. Of course receiving more understanding can look like 'it doesn't understand at all !

I see. That's why I specially mentioned "tangible" results as the subject of my suspicion.

It's funny that although Yi appears, especially in some translations, to have a very traditionalist approach to relationships one finds through consulting it actually manages to transcends that and can be quite radical in advice. It's a 'free spirit' if you will, beyond time and customs of any age, an Oracle for any century.

I always feel like the I Ching looks at things from a higher altitude if it makes sense- not being limited to conventional structures.

 

[Gmulii]

It leaves me puzzled. If the I Ching predicts the future accurately, how it comes that we affect it in good and evil ways?
So we may interpret a reading positively then it turns out bad. While visiting older pages of this forum, I came across some very promising readings that, however, didn't end in the desired result.
One may say that the "good fortune" referred to the less tangible aspects of life such as spirituality and personal growth, and indicated a positive outcome in the long run despite the momentary loss. OK, but doesn't it decrease the I Ching's reliability in the terms of divination?
When I ask "will I come together with X" I am talking about my desire to be with this person. If I get an auspicious reading but X finds another girl tomorrow, I suspect the divination.
So everything is uncertain, isn't it?

Not really. There are just many things at play and the text with the lines is just a part of it.
Around 1/12 of the time it should be very inaccurate when it comes to the outcome, although the text should still be somewhat valid.

I can explain in details with example if someone is interested, but will need to be in another topic, since it will be long. : )

If not, just keep in mind sometimes there is no way to count important influences if you don't consider the day of asking, so looking for the message will always work, but the outcome won't always be correct. Just how it works using this specific style(and each style has some problems).

 

[Trojina]

I always feel like the I Ching looks at things from a higher altitude if it makes sense- not being limited to conventional structures.

Good.

If not, just keep in mind sometimes there is no way to count important influences if you don't consider the day of asking, so looking for the message will always work, but the outcome won't always be correct. Just how it works using this specific style(and each style has some problems).

This is where newcomers surely will get confused. Actually generally I think they, such as Mary, get confused because they try to learn from individual members here who have completely different ideas rather than go and learn from the courses available one of which is free. The other one, the Foundations Course, is included when you join CC where there is also an 'Academy' to discuss answers. I mean you can learn much from other members Mary but you have to understand there is a very wide range of approaches here.

For example the day of casting has absolutely no relevance unless you are using the weng wang gua method or methods of that kind...as Gmulli has indicated. If you are using methods of that kind you are actually consulting quite a different thing to what most people here think of as the I Ching.


You need to decide which method you want to use before you start because for example a weng wang gua interpretation will have nothing much in common with a text based interpretation which is why it makes no sense when people say they use both on one reading.

 

[Gmulii]

Fair enough, won't go into that, as would be long and I doubt anyone cares... We are all free to practice in any way we find suitable.
Only thing I want to add is that if someday someone finds on a important question they get a very clear answer and it doesn't happen the way it seems to show, don't give up on the system. There is more to it. : )

About courses free or not.. Its all good, its big system each part of it can be thought and viewed in details. Doesn't mean the different parts doesn't fit into each other, however.

 

[Trojina]

Agreed. Naturally we learn from each other. It's only I had the sense Mary was getting more confused not less confused but perhaps I'm wrong about that.