Can't quite see how it applies - 44.1 - 1 (love)

[em ching]

Hi,

I asked one of those general (heartfelt) questions (with no one I know at the moment in mind):
'How can I draw the love of another to me?'

I received 44.1 Coming to Meet changing to 1 The Creative

Put me in mind of a post on here, with the question How do I meet my destiny/ life partner!

Initially the combination of hexagrams seemed odd - as I didn't have anyone particularly in mind - but maybe it's saying that in order for someone to be attracted to me I need to be strong and stable in myself first? or predictive - I will meet someone soon which will turn into something positive and strong?

What do you think?

Thanks :bows:

 

[em ching]

Hmm perhaps The Creative is saying - like to Indra! - that I need to cultivate my masculine attributes - perhaps be more of a 'go getter'.. Or learn to relate better to that side of me - though I don't know how, or in what way those attributes are lacking in me.. perhaps self-esteem..

Quote Petrostannii on the Creative:
' Conversely, the Animus is the symbolic image in the female psyche of masculine attributes and potentials. As with the male Anima, a greater understanding and integration of the female Animus with consciousness leads women to healthier relationships with men. Like the Anima, the female Animus is an aggregate of the woman's internalized ideas of her father, and springs from the nature of that relationship. Examples of the Animus include 'The Hunk," "The Hero," "The Jock," "The Nerd," "The Nutty Professor," the "Knight in Shining Armor," "John Wayne," etc.

Perhaps I'm being encouraged to think about what/ who I'm looking for? Although I don't have a type - I seem to be attracted to widely different types of people.. it's chemistry isn't it? or perhaps I am being encouraged to look at how I relate to my father?

Or could Coming to Meet be suggesting I have already met someone that could develop into more? Can't really see that happening with the someone I have half in mind though...

 

[applegirl]

Jung and the animus

...
Like the Anima, the female Animus is an aggregate of the woman's internalized ideas of her father, and springs from the nature of that relationship. Examples of the Animus include 'The Hunk," "The Hero," "The Jock," "The Nerd," "The Nutty Professor," the "Knight in Shining Armor," "John Wayne," etc.
...

Is the Yi saying I should look for someone like my father perhaps? or that I am subconsiously looking for someone like him?
Or with Coming to Meet, suggesting I have already met someone that I could have a relationship with? Can't really see that happening with the someone I have half in mind though...

Hi em ching

The animus is a fairly complex subject that goes further than being internalised ideas of a father figure. It can also be an unconscious projection, like a persona that a woman projects to the world. A woman with a strong animus projection could be very action-oriented, she might be very ambitious and seem quite strong and almost 'male' in energy because what she is projecting is the 'maleness' within her unconscious.

The point Jung makes about the anima and animus is that unless they are made conscious to us, unless we get to know them, we can end up in relationships with people who seem to fit our anima/animus projections. Jung's theory on this is that if this happens, we can sometimes let ourselves in for disappointment when we discover we fell in love with a projection.

If you want to know more about the anima/animus, amongst other selected writings, I would recommend the collection of Jung's writings called Aspects of the Feminine.

How this relates to your iChing inquiry I'm not sure, but I would be fairly sure from a Jungian perspective that the iChing is probably not telling you to look for someone like your father . Maybe you could look at investigating your animus first.

Applegirl

 

[petrosianii]

My experience with #44.1

Hi, em ching.

Ahh. Relationships...Could any matter be more ... complicated, frustrating?

Here are some thoughts on your hexagrams:

1. I received the same sequence, 44 changing to 1, on 1/17/07. It was also regarding a relationship inquiry. (I keep a hexagram journal which includes all my readings, what hexagrams they change to, notes, etc...A very good practice to get into, as I Ching insight is cumulative over time).

Back then, I was interested in this woman, who was not good for me because she was emotionally unavailable and unhealthy. My question at the time probably had something to do with whether I should pursue her, or what the effect of pursuing her would be, or what such a relationship would do to me spiritually - i.e., something along those lines. Like you, I received line 1 as the change line. I immediately knew this woman was the "inferior element", that she was "the tempation" that had come to meet me. But I was also the inferior element, because I was not in an emotionally stable enough place to be anything more to her but a "temptation."

2. If you notice the symbol of #44, Tempation, it looks as if something is "sneaking up behind you." That is the temptation; that is what is "coming to meet you." It is potentially dangerous, if only because you do not see it coming up from behind.

Thus, it may be that you aren't spiritually ready to meet "the one." It may be that the man in whom you are interested now, or int he near future, will prove a "temptation" that will knock you off your center. I would definitely say that your initial gut response: that perhaps you need more work on yourself, as a simgle person, is right on. That certainly was the case for me back in January '07, when I received the same oracle.

Now for hexagram #1 - the Creative...

This self development will probably need to be carried out, before you will have the Creative Power to be in relationship.

Additionally, it is possible, much as in Indra's case, that developing a bit more of a "go-and-get-him" assertive attitude may prove effective. However, I'm not sure. But I will quote the text of hexagram #1 in R.L.Wing's version (which , btw, I highly recommend for the beginner or student jsut getting familiar with I Ching symbols)

Personal relationships will center around you. Your...mate will look to you for leadership. Confidently take the initiative. ...

Hope this helps

 

[petrosianii]

yes. applegirl is right. The Animus is more complex than that. I would agree with appelgirl on her other point, as well: I Ching is probably not telling you to find a mate like your father.

 

[Trojina]

Wondering why line 1 is being completely overlooked in favour of the animus and father theories. Line 1 something like a lean pig rampaging around -if you don't keep a check on some impulse it overrides you, like a kind of addiction perhaps. I think your answer talks about you and your own impulses, cravings. Craving to get someone to love you is like rampaging around like the pig in line 1.

If one line moves i think its pretty important so personally I would pay attention to what line one is saying

 

[diamanda]

Line 1 is a very strong warning.
It says 'use all your power to stop this lower element which has just crept in'.

Usually it refers to our lower insticts, which should always be kept under check.
We should control them, and never let them control us.
Although this is usually about our animal instincts, i sometimes in the past got
this answer when the I Ching obviously considered my question very wrong

Once 44:1 is stopped in its tracks and subdued, then all we need to be is 1,
ie do the right thing, act correctly, be our best self. 1 speaks of strength,
dignity, energetic action in accordance with what is good and correct, and in
my opinion all this should not be gender specific.

 

[em ching]

Hello,

Thanks everyone yes it was a moment of weakness even asking the question in the first place! I think sometimes I, in my real life (and also here in cyber space) 'let it all hang out' a bit too much - so that the world gets an inkling of my hang-up's - and I probably unconsiously give off negative vibes.. So yes, I am humbled by the Yi, again, - I know full well that to attract others I need to be strong in myself, so that I can make others feel at ease and attracted. Also need to concentrate on the deed at hand, rather than the aims all the time - develop myself without looking for a reward/ end result...

It's just that I find it hard to stay on an even keel socially - so in that case, yeah, I'm not ready for a relationship anyway.. still a way to go probably before I could approach one healthily, rather than as a crutch or temporary relief for my self doubt... hmm..
I am improving slowly though I think, feeling the positive yang energy these days, no where more so than from this forum :bows:

Maybe hexagram 1 'The Creative' could be regarded as everyone's ideal - The pinnacle of the teaching of the Yi (balanced of course by the Receptive) - the launch pad for your Self to perform to its highest ability and something to aspire to, marking a fully developed self?
Of course this is too vague a concept to be a black and white (Yin and Yang) state of experienced reality isn't it? No one's perfect? What with all the shades of gray... but definitely great energies to possess as perhaps the fundamentals - a solid backing allowing the consiousness to go forth into the world..
(I think I'm rambling now and floating around the point somewhat...)

 

[proserpine]

em ching and hexagram 44

em you already got many answers some of which I was thinking too.
But, I'll add that yes, #44 has always been about addiction and/or similar danger in my life.
But especially line 1--I'm thinking--instead of wishing and trying to find someone and preparing yourself for that person--be yourself, don't go out after anyone or an imagined someone.
Just work with yourself,do what you most love and people will come to you..
And #1 would seem to suggest too, that a true creative force is healthy and strong, not trying to get away with something.
I don't mean at *all* that you're really trying to get away with something--but, perhaps you want to find someone without having to face yourself, or honestly meet and get to know the person?
I always think of this with #44--that if someone we like, or love meets us half-way--then we can feel assured we have met a a friend of some kind.
Someone with whom we have to plot or scheme, or wait around for--is "dangerous" to our self-esteem and sanity.

 

[em ching]

Yes definitely - makes so much sense!
I do feel that often, when there is any inkling that you're more interested than the other, then it won't be good for you - too unstable which, as you said, would damage the self- esteem - If you are not prepared for it so thank you 44 - enightening about the probable nature of a relationship - probably a warning that it is a bit unequal, but that when contact is made it is creative and beneficial, as you have things in common for example, so you can benefit in that way rather than relying to heavily on it - and being mindful to hold back so it isn't one sided - like the haxagram!

So yeah, 44 has a positive message, as they all do somewhere of course, and I think that you encounter different people in order to learn more about yourself, as they draw out different aspects of your character and can inspire you, but to be careful, perhaps with your heart.

 

[rosada]

I think 44.1 is advising you to be careful what you wish for - you are liable to get it.