Cast Hex. 17, Changing Line 5, Transformed Hex 51

[tagomi]

I consulted the oracle about "how will things turn out if i break up with the one i love?" and the title was the answer i received.

Cast Hex 17
"Thunder beneath the Lake's surface.
The Superior Person allows himself plenty of sheltered rest and recuperation while awaiting a clear sign to follow.

Supreme success.
No mistakes if you keep to your course."

Transformed into 51
"Thunder echoes upon Thunder, commanding reverence for its father Heaven:
In awe of Heaven's majestic power, the Superior Person looks within and sets his life in order.
Thunder mingles with startled screams of terror for a hundred miles around.
As the people nervously laugh at their own fright, the devout presents the sacrificial chalice with nary a drop of wine spilt.
Deliverance"

and the trigram symbols couldn't be more accurate...

But what does it mean?

 

[tagomi]

When i see sentences like "Supreme Success." and words like "Deliverance" and "recuperation" i think it's telling me to get out. But when i see "No Mistakes if you keep your course." it's like, that's obviously telling me to stay. But all that stuff about thunder and people crying and sacrificial wine being spilt... wut?

I really love this girl, but i can't help but wonder if the relationship's not entirely healthy for me. Any assistance or clarification on this reading is greatly appreciated, thanks in advance.

 

[mythili]

I think the way the question is worded might be causing some ambiguity in the interpretation. H17 deals with conscious decisions to follow one thing or another. Following something you resonate with. At L5, there's a vote of confidence in the decision, or in the person/thing one is following, or advice to believe in yourself, or to keep your standards high, or that the person you are following does fit your high standards, this is the person you resonate with. Which of these is it, and what's the decision that the Yi is endorsing - is it saying, allow yourself to be attracted to her, be confident that its the right path for you, or is it saying, your decision to break with her is the right path? Since the Yi doesnt always answer a question directly, you might want to word it so that you get a less ambiguous response.

If you use line correlations, lines 5 and 2 correlate correctly in H17 - when you are at line 2, you dont honor this correlation, and that could be a mistake. When you are at L5, you do honor this correlation.


H51 can also mean to keep steady and not get agitated (keep the glass steady, dont spill the wine) in the face of perhaps, turbulence, in the relationship? Is that whats happening?

 

[tagomi]

Hey, first off, thanks for the reply :bows: .

I'm extremely new to the I Ching. This is actually my first real question to it so i appreciate the patience. How would you have asked the same question? i know yes and no questions aren't correct.

*Skip to "TL;DR" if this is too long to read*

Anyway... I love the girl i'm with, but the things i want from a relationship is to be loved, and for my significant other to be happy. But i don't make her happy, but i'm the only one she wants to be with, she'd marry me if i asked her to. So because of my short comings, she's not happy, and that eclipses what i want from the relationship. I'm not as romantic as she would like me to be. But being alone for 20 some years, you grow accustomed to only catering to yourself... and who's romantic with themselves? So the changes and things she wants will take time, i'm willing to give the time, but i don't know if i'll just waste hers by taking too long. And i prolong discontent in the raltionship.

>>>TL;DR?<<< I love her, she loves me. Personalities/Preferrences make the relationship complicated.

 

[mythili]

Anyway... I love the girl i'm with, but the things i want from a relationship is to be loved, and for my significant other to be happy. But i don't make her happy, but i'm the only one she wants to be with, she'd marry me if i asked her to. So because of my short comings, she's not happy, and that eclipses what i want from the relationship. I'm not as romantic as she would like me to be. But being alone for 20 some years, you grow accustomed to only catering to yourself... and who's romantic with themselves? So the changes and things she wants will take time, i'm willing to give the time, but i don't know if i'll just waste hers by taking too long. And i prolong discontent in the raltionship.

>>>TL;DR?<<< I love her, she loves me. Personalities/Preferrences make the relationship complicated.

Was all this in your mind when you asked the question? What do you think that question was? Could it be whether the changes that might need to be made are worth the (or your) time and effort?

Perhaps also, and this is a personal observation - the sense I get of your own isolation - based on what you have written. You might still be catering a little too much only to yourself, not in a selfish way, but in a too-self-contained way. Can come from being alone for a long time. In the sense, that you might making decisions for both of you, and not including her sufficiently. Surely its her decision about whether she would be wasting her time waiting for you to change. Perhaps her discontent is with you shutting her out, could that be factor, its hard to tell from the few sentences you have written.

17.5 might be telling you to have confidence in yourself, in your position in this relationship, and with her. Following natural affinities, and realizing that it takes time, it doesnt just happen when you want it to. Sounds to me that sorting this out with her directly would be really important, before you can ask her to marry you. 17.5 could be saying this. With 17 you're at a crossroads, which seems to be a good description of your state of mind, and so its important for you at this time to get your path right.