Caught in interpretative crossfire! Help!

[rodaki]

Obviously, I won't need the blue sofa then -- although I LOVE it. I'll definitely be wielding the big axled cart in this standoff. I admit, I am a bit pushed to deal with this guy and how dare he get himself tangled around my Hex 44. How dare he intrude in my current Yi reverie? How can HE or his like be hex 44, my wonderful mystifying hex of the hour?

I keep wondering WHY he sets me on my heels. I'm not afraid of him, yet somehow he embarrasses me being so......patriarchal, like he has some right. Why does that get me flustered?? I've given myself the old pep talk a number of times: he's just a guy for pete's sake. OK, older, VERY sure of himself. But mocking me? No way. By the way, I'll take the pom poms, just in case the cart doesn't impress, they're bound to give him a case of Hex 34. And, if not, I'll be back for the sofa. XO Arabella

ehmm, right . . I think 44 gets its momentum exactly from pushing us and tangling us and setting us on our wheels . . but what if this isn't really about you at all?? Maybe he gets annoying with you but we all go thru periods when something internal gets fired up by someone who is at that point merely a triggering point . . I think it's more likely that something about you gets him on his wheels and then you get to witness his reaction to that . . which of course might set you on your wheels in return . .
What if you don't feel like taking any of this personal at all . . where would that leave you?

I very much like what Rosada says about yin in the IChing, how it refers to our subconscious/unconscious part/reactions . . I think 44 is major in that. The Margaret Pearson approach made you feel grand and then you get 44 about this guy who makes you feel like you need to defend your status somehow . . is this scene familiar in any way from any other parts of your life?

Another turn: 44 gets its yin from the lowliest place (no pun intended) . . in other hexes this is about our feet/toes, or else, our edges, maybe even the extremities of our nerve fibers, where we get innumerable but subtle signals ( think how your electricity gets transmitted onto your surroundings) . .
I remember once I had gotten a 44 which had upset me a lot so I had asked how I can avoid or compensate with its downside to which I received a very straight 14 . . but hmm, interesting . .
Anyways, I had talked about this with someone whose knowledge on the I Ching is much greater than mine and the suggestion I got was to try to raise that yin quality from the first place as high as possible, 5th place being obviously the best for it. In other words, take it from unconscious, sublte reaction and all its mayhem to conscious acknowledgment and integration (44.5 goes into 50, where all your elements get cooked together in the best way to create that well-rounded, fair flavor of who you are) . .
An interesting part of such a process is, though, that this raising of awareness shares a lot in common with hex.3 (the only one that shows us clearly how we get creative in the 1st and 5th place working within the same unit) which, at times, is very simple and instantaneous, or, seen in a greater context, it is nothing less than our lives' work: it is the act of breaking thru old active/reactive patterns into a new self-made reality . .


. . I think I woke up on a good side today -heh- hope some of this makes some good sense . . you know, actually Arabella, I think by now that it's you who gives us great food for thought!

do let us know how things go for you!

 

[sooo]

Hi Arabella,

I’ve been following this with interest and thought I’d offer something which I’ve found to be basic and common whenever I receive 44: mood. It has less to with thinking and more to do with aroused feelings. And I don’t mean limited to sexual arousal. It can be any sense of need, or a sense of entitlement, or even restlessness. The mood is discontent and wants to push forward, even against heaven if need be. That’s the feeling I have when receiving 44.

This makes sense when considering the nature and position on the trigrams. Wind is restless today (a given day), approaching the heavens – Wind/Wood beneath Heaven. In the hierarchy, it is the eldest daughter, who holds a responsible position in the family, clan or organization. Remember also that Xun is below earth in 46 - pushing upward: a strong act of inner will, is associated with Xun. Above is the creative Heaven, who, in the hierarchy, is the father. So there’s this father/senior willful daughter relationship going on, which of course is figurative.

Sometimes, all that commotion turns out to be a creation, which couldn’t have happened without all those feelings going on. If there’s no fish (allowed) in the tank, then creation is prevented. Most often, however, it has been better to make heaven’s commands known, especially to those moods within myself.

Regarding him, maybe he has a sardonic sense of humor? I mean, there may be underlying reasons for it, which might be sorted out with some candid communication. I think it's not always easy for strong personalities to mesh.

Bruce

 

[arabella]

ehmm, right . . I think 44 gets its momentum exactly from pushing us and tangling us and setting us on our wheels . . but what if this isn't really about you at all?? Maybe he gets annoying with you but we all go thru periods when something internal gets fired up by someone who is at that point merely a triggering point . . I think it's more likely that something about you gets him on his wheels and then you get to witness his reaction to that . . which of course might set you on your wheels in return . .
What if you don't feel like taking any of this personal at all . . where would that leave you?

I very much like what Rosada says about yin in the IChing, how it refers to our subconscious/unconscious part/reactions . . I think 44 is major in that. The Margaret Pearson approach made you feel grand and then you get 44 about this guy who makes you feel like you need to defend your status somehow . . is this scene familiar in any way from any other parts of your life?

Another turn: 44 gets its yin from the lowliest place (no pun intended) . . in other hexes this is about our feet/toes, or else, our edges, maybe even the extremities of our nerve fibers, where we get innumerable but subtle signals ( think how your electricity gets transmitted onto your surroundings) . .
I remember once I had gotten a 44 which had upset me a lot so I had asked how I can avoid or compensate with its downside to which I received a very straight 14 . . but hmm, interesting . .
Anyways, I had talked about this with someone whose knowledge on the I Ching is much greater than mine and the suggestion I got was to try to raise that yin quality from the first place as high as possible, 5th place being obviously the best for it. In other words, take it from unconscious, sublte reaction and all its mayhem to conscious acknowledgment and integration (44.5 goes into 50, where all your elements get cooked together in the best way to create that well-rounded, fair flavor of who you are) . .
An interesting part of such a process is, though, that this raising of awareness shares a lot in common with hex.3 (the only one that shows us clearly how we get creative in the 1st and 5th place working within the same unit) which, at times, is very simple and instantaneous, or, seen in a greater context, it is nothing less than our lives' work: it is the act of breaking thru old active/reactive patterns into a new self-made reality . .


. . I think I woke up on a good side today -heh- hope some of this makes some good sense . . you know, actually Arabella, I think by now that it's you who gives us great food for thought!

do let us know how things go for you!

This is brilliant Rodaki. There is in fact so much that comes about because of the unconscious/subconscious place we are in. Life is complicated. It's easy to think: it's about me. And it's not about me most likely and I'm suddenly in a world of assumptions that lead nowhere at all. That is certainly an element of me and you could say it's ego, but quite often I feel it's worrying that I did something that started an avalanche -- and I don't really understand what the "something" was.

And, you are quite right, the "Yin" keeps coming up in my readings lately and, if you noticed was a huge component of that wck6265 had to say in the miles long thread in shredded not long ago "the downhill run." I've never really deciphered all what wck had in mind and the concept of intuitive readings that he/she was doing. Nevertheless, I have to focus on letting myself be a vulnerable person without getting squashed. That is entirely psychologoical/subconscious I think. It's an essence of being female, subtle as you say. In the world as it is, being vulnerable, as a female or anything else, as human being, is frightening. We spend most of our time learning how to protect, defend, shelter ourselves and nearly no time learning how to present anything about our inner selves. There are few places in the world like Clarity where you can build that confidence, sort our what works and what doesn't; take some chances and not feel stupid if they don't make complete sense. Try again. But it is crucial, I believe for Yin to flourish. I visualise it somewhere in my imagination as something trying to grow while so many forces are tearing and clawing. But what grows inside, what grows in essence, what grows in spirit, nobody and nothing can touch. And I guess when I read Hex 44, whether it's Yi having a laugh with me, or it's just plain ominous, I have to keep that sense of Hex 50 alive and realise it all accrues, it's part of the journey, and there's not so much to fear personally as there is to learn collectively. Exciting, ain't it?

As you say, I'm in a certain groove today. I hope it's making sense. What you wrote I just devoured or squirreled away in ChingChing's fridge. We're on a wavelength. Thankx, Arabella

 

[arabella]

Yes, here we are in the food-for-thought life cycle I know and love:

Double-fisted food for thought, shoveling it in with both hands. Then being sucked into the foodforthought vortex, stuck, trying not to get pulled under headfirst. Next phase, release and illumination, happy acceptance, food for thought in unlimited amounts, exultant, going mad, random access day and night to the foodforthought fridge, state of elation and expansion in all its forms leading to [in a moment of ecstatic madness] entering the cauldron, slamming the door, cooking the myriad contents, ultimate excitation and ........OBLIVION

All in four icons..........:bows:

Maybe I have lost it.

 

[arabella]

Hi Arabella,

I’ve been following this with interest and thought I’d offer something which I’ve found to be basic and common whenever I receive 44: mood. It has less to with thinking and more to do with aroused feelings. And I don’t mean limited to sexual arousal. It can be any sense of need, or a sense of entitlement, or even restlessness. The mood is discontent and wants to push forward, even against heaven if need be. That’s the feeling I have when receiving 44.

This makes sense when considering the nature and position on the trigrams. Wind is restless today (a given day), approaching the heavens – Wind/Wood beneath Heaven. In the hierarchy, it is the eldest daughter, who holds a responsible position in the family, clan or organization. Remember also that Xun is below earth in 46 - pushing upward: a strong act of inner will, is associated with Xun. Above is the creative Heaven, who, in the hierarchy, is the father. So there’s this father/senior willful daughter relationship going on, which of course is figurative.

Sometimes, all that commotion turns out to be a creation, which couldn’t have happened without all those feelings going on. If there’s no fish (allowed) in the tank, then creation is prevented. Most often, however, it has been better to make heaven’s commands known, especially to those moods within myself.

Regarding him, maybe he has a sardonic sense of humor? I mean, there may be underlying reasons for it, which might be sorted out with some candid communication. I think it's not always easy for strong personalities to mesh.

Bruce

Yes, this rings lots of bells. Something of all the elements you mention is present in this situation. Commotion is a good word too. And, normally, I might just discount the situation as "this is just some cranky person." But there is a sense to it that really disturbs me, so I've looked further. Moods, also a good word. But moods based on what? Something to do with me? Maybe; maybe not. Am I responsible for anybody else's moods anyway? Surely not.

I may be the eldest daughter here, in a figurative sense, helpful to this person who in many ways sets a "fatherly" example, but kind of lets me down with these random yelps at me. Expecting too much from one person? We are all human and maybe I've put this guy on something of a pedestal. Too easy to fall and look silly or even get hurt. And maybe a bit lonely up there too.

There are dynamics to this I don't get -- obviously -- and there has to be a lot of room, a lot of "allowing" or I probably will never find out. It would be easy to yelp back at his comments or walk away. Plenty of times I've done it in other situations. But not this time. It's a matter of respect -- and wondering. If this is his sense of humour he's only "allowed" me to see that in the past few weeks. Thus far, I've said nothing in return. But others have asked: What's going on?

Your thoughts about "something creative" come to my mind. There is something happening, not all scarey, but certainly hidden. I'm anxious to know what is brewing. It is emotional, moody, pacing in the background. "Need, entitlement, restlessness," WOW you've hit the nail because it's all in there somewhere. There is a message -- whether for me or the world at large I don't know. Is it "safe" to spew on me because we've been on friendly terms for so long? And "spew" isn't the word either. It's more like "dig into" than spew. That's the "need" speaking I think -- that his need to dig at me is almost uncontrollable.

As LiSe says, better not to venture too far in with too much curiosity and find not only the unexpected but the entirely unwelcome. Nonetheless, I listen through the door for clues and stay ready to jump back and get a better look at what's gaining on me if the door suddenly opens and there stands.............Hex 44?

 

[arabella]

Taking on board as much as I can of the work so many have put into this thread I've meditated on what I can absorb overnight and thought, perhaps making too much of my own involvement I should make the effort to stay clear of this person, not overtly, but to the extent that I recede into the background, say nothing, fail to be on hand, as much as possible don't appear and say nothing. We share responsibilities in a fairly remote way and, although we help each other when we choose, we don't have to be together. I 've put myself into this frame of mind now and I feel OK that I'm not overreacting or appearing mean, I'm just getting on with my own responsbilities and at the most avoiding any more comments that leave me shaken.

OK. Having explained that I've enquired of the Yi what response this might elicit if I just remain silent and put myself to one side. And here, I'm thinking maybe Hex 52 which I'd see as no response or Hex 11 that all proceeds with the flow. This is what I'm thinking I might have in return for such a question. And what I got was Hex 55.1.2.4 which become Hex 46. All about one's hidden lord, the dipper at midday and meeting one's hidden lord evolving around a series of small steps, what sounds like an inexorable process. Now, this is exactly the casting, minus the second moving line, that I received for the monumental thread in shredded "the downhill run." I seem to have come full circle. I feel like I'm in a time warp. And the circumstances that precipitated the crisis of downhill run: no home and nothing available --which forced my move to a mountaintop and near oblivion last Autumn -- are repeating themselves right now. The house I'm in has gone for sale and won't be rented again this year. My lease expires in less than three weeks and there is nowhere to go. For once, I have to make a good decision. If the "downhill" spiral continues -- well how much farther downhill is there? I'm here at this point in a blizzard, with my child home having just graduated Uni and too ill to leave her bed for nearly a month. I'm struggling to keep the place warm, cut off from finding a new home to go to. It's far from being in Sendai or some tragedy such as that but antagonism from a guy I work with, however remotely, is not needed either. Have I asked the right question? I'll leave all of that mish-mash for anybody brave enough to take it on and go add some fuel to the fire, literally this time, as figureatively I suppose I've already done just that. . XO Arabella

 

[rodaki]

dearest Arabella,

I'm so sorry to read of these troubling times not seeming to let go that easily. I think that you are doing the right thing by not exposing yourself to anything draining at a time when you are going that much already but everything you wrote makes me wonder . .

I agree with you, the similarity of your two castings is too much to not see them as related somehow -not to mention how 55, 44 and 46 appear interrelated too . . Seems that whatever vibes of change you are swimming in, they include every facet of your life and many of the things that stand out at this time are all somehow linked.
For me here, not knowing much about your life, it is hard to find the link . .

I wonder whether what happens, all these changes, are there to show you that you needn't be afraid of them, that you are not as weak or fragile as you think and that nothing of that is a sort of punishment for an obscure blame you might be putting on yourself but a thorough re-arranging of your life's facts towards a better place.

The one thing that really stood out for me from the first time I read your previous comments* that I could see related to what you say here is that you used the term 'avalanche' wondering about your part or responsibility to this person's behavior and I thought it was striking because it brought to mind so vividly your 'downhill' thread . . Hence I wonder whether part of what you need to learn here is that you are not being punished, that this is not some divine retribution but a big turn for you.


Coming back to your last paragraph, I can understand how things look like you are stuck in a pit but I'll share some advice I got when I felt swamped in a recurrent pattern; what I was told was to avoid generalizations and to give every event of my life its own place rather than lumping them together under broad brushstrokes just in order to fulfill my need for seeing some greater picture. Take it one step at a time and don't let your energy get scattered all over everything that you see is going wrong, things are changing and you need to keep yourself grounded and together to pull it thru.
I guess the first thing you need to take care of is your housing situation. I don't know if you have asked the right question but I do know that you need to put the word out to everyone you know about a house -if you haven't done that already- including that person you talk about . . maybe there is something about him you are not seeing yet (re 55.2)

(As a sidenote, I wonder where you have Uranus or Aquarius in your chart, there is a Uranus transit unfolding at this time which brings a lot of havoc, it could be you are experiencing its electric effects in your life . . I don't mean to over-estimate the parallelism, but it was a big component of my 55 reading . .)



Sending you many-many wishes for a swift and fortunate resolution of your troubles!!

___________________________
*[QUOTE] There is in fact so much that comes about because of the unconscious/subconscious place we are in. Life is complicated. It's easy to think: it's about me. And it's not about me most likely and I'm suddenly in a world of assumptions that lead nowhere at all. That is certainly an element of me and you could say it's ego, but quite often I feel it's worrying that I did something that started an avalanche -- and I don't really understand what the "something" was. [/QUOTE]

 

[arabella]

Serendipity and Synchronicity

Dear Rodaki, we ARE on a wavelength. No sooner had I read your last post -- and I mean in seconds, than in blips an email bearing my daily horoscope -- from someone who does a fair job on those I must say. And here was the text:

Life is a merry-go-round, quite literally. The Earth rotates like a wheel around the Sun. Our lives too, sometimes seem to be like journeys around some big wheel. We see the same old scenery, we encounter the same old experiences. There are times when we can see some things very clearly and other times when our eyes focus on very different sights. You're becoming aware of a pattern; one you've noticed before, one you seem to be living through again. But unless you want it to, it doesn't have to repeat in quite the same way it did last time. You've got a real choice

I don't believe in divine retribution or punishment -- except as administered by myself. And I do feel I've got choice, but things keep springing up that challenge that idea, that give me feeling of a vortex that is trying to suck me in and that I keep escaping -- just barely. There is always a choice just the same. I only wish I had more foresight.

Having said that, here's something very interesting and I'll try my best to draw the parallel clearly. The person who's behaviour prompted this thread, Mr. Hex 44, is the person who has what I don't have. Foresight. And an uncanny ability to hear a million facts, and a wad of best-guesses or even faulty assumptions,and choose a path that drives straight through the nonsense with what I could only call a vehicle composed of common sense and integrity. He has a divining power and a stability that I don't. And thus one of the reasons I always admired this guy, and openly said so. He would never be in the shape that I am. Some people call what he does "boring, predictable and unspontaneous." Whereas I am supposedly such a daredevil. But the older I get, the more intelligent it looks to be him.

Realising that, I'm struggling to put these two themes together now. There's a reason I'm struggling with him at the same time I'm struggling with life in general. If I can get to the heart of THAT I may see the choices he would have seen -- and taken -- the last time. And I can stop going around and around on this wheel of fortune and find a path to stability.

 

[wck6265]

A Super Bike

Gou 44 liberates the potential you through a heaven-dictate liberation process. It is symbolized by a picture of wind merges with heaven. Wind is your inherent ability to merge with another energy state. Heaven is a heaven-contrived energy state that can complement your energy deficiency to realize your fullest potential.

Each liberation process is tailor-make according to individual’s energy deficiency. Yours is represented graphically by a superbike driver speeding downhill.

The superbike represents the heaven component in Gou 44. It is a cosmic vehicle used by heaven to interact with you with an aim to generate the liberation process. A superbike is used because it must have the capacity to match the magnitude of the yang frequency you possess. Its super status also suggests that riding on it is the fastest way to reach your destination. Mr. Hex 44 is the superbike chosen by heaven.

Of course you are the driver. However you need to acquire specific skills to handle the superbike. We will explore the method of interaction through your casting: Da Zhuang 34 to Sheng 46 in our next discussion. After that it will pay to study the effects of the interaction through the casting: Shi He 21 to Zhen 51.

As a driver, you have very little controls; other than handling the superbike.

1. The direction of travel is pre-set as downhill. It means that unwinding is the most direct way to reach your destination. It also means that any other direction of travel will lead you to nowhere.

2. You cannot carry any pillion rider. It means that you need to shed off emotional excesses.

3. You cannot opt out. Opting out will create an elastic snap-back effect that will pull you back to the same spot. In other words, there will be more enigmatic accidents to pin you down.

The good news is that Nature provides life-support to you and your love ones while you are under His charge. You just have to keep this faith to ease your worries; so that you can concentrate better on whatever you are supposed to do.

The occurrence of moving-on is a good gauge that you are responding correctly to cosmic forces. The end of your stay at the mountain top signifies the closure of the phase on forced energy re-composition. The next phase is obviously Gou 44: learning how to ride a superbike going downhill.

Again, give credit to yourself for your inherent ability to pin down the problem by simply trusting your instinct. From my perspective, you are doing just fine.

 

[arabella]

Thank you for weighing on the discussion Wck6265, I appreciate your interpretation and I'll read what you've written several times before making any more comment. Arabella

 

[arabella]

Gou 44 liberates the potential you through a heaven-dictate liberation process. It is symbolized by a picture of wind merges with heaven. Wind is your inherent ability to merge with another energy state. Heaven is a heaven-contrived energy state that can complement your energy deficiency to realize your fullest potential.

Each liberation process is tailor-make according to individual’s energy deficiency. Yours is represented graphically by a superbike driver speeding downhill.

The superbike represents the heaven component in Gou 44. It is a cosmic vehicle used by heaven to interact with you with an aim to generate the liberation process. A superbike is used because it must have the capacity to match the magnitude of the yang frequency you possess. Its super status also suggests that riding on it is the fastest way to reach your destination. Mr. Hex 44 is the superbike chosen by heaven.

Of course you are the driver. However you need to acquire specific skills to handle the superbike. We will explore the method of interaction through your casting: Da Zhuang 34 to Sheng 46 in our next discussion. After that it will pay to study the effects of the interaction through the casting: Shi He 21 to Zhen 51.

As a driver, you have very little controls; other than handling the superbike.

1. The direction of travel is pre-set as downhill. It means that unwinding is the most direct way to reach your destination. It also means that any other direction of travel will lead you to nowhere.

2. You cannot carry any pillion rider. It means that you need to shed off emotional excesses.

3. You cannot opt out. Opting out will create an elastic snap-back effect that will pull you back to the same spot. In other words, there will be more enigmatic accidents to pin you down.

The good news is that Nature provides life-support to you and your love ones while you are under His charge. You just have to keep this faith to ease your worries; so that you can concentrate better on whatever you are supposed to do.

The occurrence of moving-on is a good gauge that you are responding correctly to cosmic forces. The end of your stay at the mountain top signifies the closure of the phase on forced energy re-composition. The next phase is obviously Gou 44: learning how to ride a superbike going downhill.

Again, give credit to yourself for your inherent ability to pin down the problem by simply trusting your instinct. From my perspective, you are doing just fine.

OK Wck, I've read this through a couple times, went away for a while and read it again several times further. I think you are onto something here, the signal is coming through loud and clear, and I can equate everything you say with the position I'm in, except for one thing --

And that is, that the direction is pre-set for downhill? What is the point of that -- mere acceleration -- going so fast you can't stop?

I have the feeling of Mr. Hex 44 that he would like to avoid this encounter [collision?} and is a bit worried about what this connection represents for him as well. I sense that whatever the disturbance that causes his comments, it is about our association in some respect. He is concerned I think about being overwhelmed by something so opposite. Does that make sense to you? I don't know where that came from just now, it just occurred to me. Maybe from "Gou 44 liberates the potential you." Sounds poetic.

But I'm still not sure what to do about him and the energy he represents and whether you consider him a symbolic or a real force to contend with. Is he part of this? A messenger person? Is he, so to speak, "heaven sent" like my friend Gordon, who crossed my path only once and apparently doesn't exist? This guy, however, I know. I've known him several years. Unlikely he is anything but quite real and a force to be reckoned with. And someone I've admired besides who only recently started some campaign I don't recognise -- except as just evaluated above.

And about Nature providing life support -- well it has come very close to the edge now, but a friend who lives abroad half the year and has two homes here has called in this past half hour and suggested that my daughter and I housesit for their family on their estate until they are back in May, which gives us a respite for her to get well and for me to find a more permanent solution. So, good for Nature coming up with that idea! Interesting that your prediction has so exactly coincided with that happening.

I'll look forward to what else you have to say wck, and also the consultation on the other two readings that you mentioned. To you and to Rodaki, Heylise, Bruce, chingching, Trojan, pocossin, rosada, themis, bradford, mythili, rinda, thank you for hanging on as we slide through yet another half-controlled turn in the road. Your efforts are really appreciated. XO, Arabella

 

[rodaki]

Good to read your friend's offering you a resting place for the time to come Arabella!
Your posts bring up lots of thoughts but it seems that the most important thing for now is being in the present and flowing with it, working thru adversities without pushing too hard but neither letting things overwhelm you . .

have to leave for work,
be well!

 

[wck6265]

The Puzzles

The essence of your present predicament is instability. As such seeking stability becomes your present natural driving force. Going-downhill is a manifestation of this state of energy. Gou 44 suggests that interacting with Mr. Hex 44 is the fastest way to reach stability.

I must admit that I was puzzled by this suggestion when this perspective was finally firmed up. There is no evidence of yin-yang balancing between two of you surfacing from your postings. My extra effort to scan for such evidence through meditation also comes to naught. If not yin-yang balancing; then what sort of mechanism could it be?

Another big puzzle is the way Nature is forcing you to turn yin; knowing very well that yang is your prized possession. I honestly could not see you turning yin even with Nature’s military-style training plus your best efforts. What is the game plan then?

These were the two main reasons that drove me to suggest exploring Da Zhuang 34 to Sheng 46; hoping that the reading will provide clues to solve the puzzles.

 

[arabella]

In response to WCK, line by line:

The essence of your present predicament is instability.YES, MOST DEFINITELY.
As such seeking stability becomes your present natural driving force. Going-downhill is a manifestation of this state of energy. SO DOWNHILL MEANS GOING WITH THE NATURAL FLOW? Gou 44 suggests that interacting with Mr. Hex 44 is the fastest way to reach stability. DOES GOU HAVE SOMETHING TO DO WITH THE NATURAL DOWNHILL DIRECTION AND WHAT COULD THIS HAVE TO DO WITH MR. HEX44 HIMSELF?
I must admit that I was puzzled by this suggestion when this perspective was finally firmed up. There is no evidence of yin-yang balancing between two of you surfacing from your postings. I COULD SAY A LOT MORE ABOUT MR. HEX 44 ON A MORE PERSONAL LEVEL – BUT IT DIDN’T SEEM IMPORTANT TO THE CASTING I RECEIVED. I DON'T KNOW IF OTHER DIMENSIONS OF OUR ASSOCIATION HAD TO DO WITH BALANCING YIN-YANG -- OR NOT -- BECAUSE I DON'T KNOW WHAT IT MEANS IN A PRACTICAL SENSE.

My extra effort to scan for such evidence through meditation also comes to naught. If not yin-yang balancing; then what sort of mechanism could it be? I’M NOT SURE WHAT YIN-YANG BALANCING MEANS, ESPECIALLY REGARDING TWO SEPARATE PEOPLE, SO AM LOST IN ASSESSING THIS. I HAVEN’T POSTED MUCH ABOUT MR. HEX 44 EXCEPT THE RECENT SNIPPY COMMENTS HE’S MADE. THAT DOESN’T SOUND LIKE SOMEBODY TRYING TO BALANCE ANYTHING WITH ME. ALTHOUGH WE’VE GONE OUT SOCIALLY FROM TIME TO TIME AND ALWAYS BEEN GOOD FRIENDS, OR SO I THOUGHT.

Another big puzzle is the way Nature is forcing you to turn yin; knowing very well that yang is your prized possession. I honestly could not see you turning yin even with Nature’s military-style training plus your best efforts. What is the game plan then? IF “YANG” MEANS EITHER IN-CHARGE OR CREATIVE, THOSE ARE THE QUALITIES I CAME INTO THIS LIFE WITH. I DIDN’T CHOOSE TO BE IN-CHARGE – HOWEVER THAT ABILITY WAS MUCH ACCENTUATED BY THE FAMILY SITUATION I WAS BORN INTO. I NEEDED TO BE A MOTHER TO MY OWN MOTHER AS SHE WAS A GREAT PUBLIC ORGANISER BUT NEEDED [NEEDS NOW ALL THE TIME ALTHOUGH MY LIFE IS A MESS] REASSURANCE AND NURTURING FROM ME INSTEAD OF THE OTHER WAY AROUND. I HAD A LOT OF RESPONSIBILITY FROM EARLY CHILDHOOD FOR MYSELF AND MY BROTHER AND SISTER AND AS A RESULT [ACCORDING TO A RELIABLE PSYCHOLOGIST-FRIEND] SPENT YEARS BEING ATTRACTED TO NEEDY AND UNSTABLE MEN. MY RELATIONSHIPS [DEADLY ONES] ALL ALONG THE WAY HAVE KEPT MY HOMELIFE SHATTERED. THIS IS SOMETHING I’D LOVE TO CHANGE NOW THAT I’M AWARE OF WHAT WENT WRONG, BUT FINDING SOMEBODY WHO TAKES RESPONSIBILITY SERIOUSLY ISN’T THAT EASY FOR SOME REASON.

MR HEX 44 IS AN ULTIMATELY ADMIRABLE RESPONSIBLE PERSON AND I DO RECOGNISE THAT WHEN I SEE IT IN MEN, HOWEVER, HE IS ALSO OUTSIDE MY SOCIAL REALM AND APPARENTLY HAS BECOME ANGRY WITH ME FOR SOME REASON.

These were the two main reasons that drove me to suggest exploring Da Zhuang 34 to Sheng 46; hoping that the reading will provide clues to solve the puzzles.
YES, I CAST THE HEXAGRAM 34.1 TO 46 ATTEMPTING TO HAVE CLARIFICATION ON WHAT I SHOULD DO; HOW I SHOULD RESPOND.

I realise that I shouldn’t characterise yin and yang in Western terms [simply female/male] and I don't know how to do something else here. As a result, when you say yin-yang balancing I'm left with no mental image, no idea of what yin-yang balancing would look like between people, nor what "mechanism" we could be discussing.

There are opinions of a wide variety on Mr. Hex 44’s recent change in attitude:
1. His attitude has nothing to do with me.
2. His new attitude means that I should avoid him
3. His new attitude means he is teasing me because he is attracted now.

I suppose any of these things is possible and, as a result, I took Trojan’s advice and just asked what I should do, receiving the Hex 34.1 becoming Hex 46 casting. I'm interested to hear your thoughts on that.

If I expand my assessment of the general situation with Mr Hex 44, the thumbnail description that rings most true and feels right is the paragraph where Bruce says,

This makes sense when considering the nature and position on the trigrams. Wind is restless today (a given day), approaching the heavens – Wind/Wood beneath Heaven. In the hierarchy, it is the eldest daughter, who holds a responsible position in the family, clan or organization. Remember also that Xun is below earth in 46 - pushing upward: a strong act of inner will, is associated with Xun. Above is the creative Heaven, who, in the hierarchy, is the father. So there’s this father/senior willful daughter relationship going on, which of course is figurative.

WCK, you’ve spoken about Wind as the element that combines easily with other energy -- with Heaven as well. Does that combination represent stability -- energy and heaven? ' Mr Gou could give classes in stability, believe me, if that is Heaven affecting Wind in this case.# Father/senior, collaborating with wilful daughter about says it all. We’re not tremendously different in age – eight or nine years – but he thinks we are because I don’t act my age. Which has seemed to amuse him at times, particularly when I explain to him all the artistic mountains I intend to climb – beginning from a position of utter instability and chaos. Oddly enough, he doesn’t laugh about, or mock, those speeches at all. So what IS he mocking -- If he’s mocking anything? And apart from making me self-conscious here and there – what makes Mr. Gou so important anyway? How did he get to be “Heaven” and anything to do with 44? Bruce says "mood" and 44 are somewhat synonymous in his experience -- mood/wind/heaven. How does all of that describe somebody's attitude/intention and, even more baffling -- how could that make them important to my finding stability? Oh, my aching head.

 

[wck6265]

The Power of Pulverization

Da Zhuang 34 is symbolized by the interaction of an inner-heaven and an outer-thunder.

Thunder symbolizes the shockwaves sent by Mr. Hex 44 through his words or actions that could stir up waves of disturbances throughout your inner system.

Heaven symbolizes your inner yang energy; which means that you are already heavily armed to defend yourself against any invasion. But there is a catch. It is an inner spiritual strength and can only be used within your spiritual domain.

For Da Zhuang 34 to work, the first requirement is to capture and contain the invasion within you. This call for the inclusive quality of yin: the ability to accommodate the impossible. This immediately brings to mind the extensive endurance training you have gone through throughout winter at the mountain top.

The invasive forces contain his energy, which carries the shockwaves, and your own emotional impurities that are stir-up by the shockwaves. Examples of these invasive forces are

1. (I have the feeling of Mr. Hex 44 …. avoid this encounter [collision?} and is a bit worried about……)
2. (But I'm still not sure … the energy he represents…. Is he part of this? A messenger person? Is he, so to speak….).

Each of this thought is a pocket of mixtures containing his energy plus your emotional impurities. Your job is to capture and contain the pocket within you; which you are already handling with ease. You are well qualified to move on to the next stage of Da Zhuang 34.

Next is to pulverize the pocket with the power of pulverization of your inner yang energy. The pocket of disruptions can be feelings, thoughts or images. All you have to do is to keep a close watch on the evolution of this pocket, within the confine of your inner domain.

It will help if you can sway with the pocket; simulating the contracting and expanding powers of the yang energy. Most importantly, have faith and patience to see through the completion of the pulverization process. There is no need to complete the process in one session. You can go on and off and spread out the sessions into days or even weeks. Each session can be in minutes or hours. The key is to keep working on it.

The process is deemed to have completed once the pocket dissolves and merges with your energy to form a new energy state. It is marked by a new sensation of the energy state embodied in a state of calmness. It also brings clarity of mind; allowing you to have a new perspective on the pocket of disruptions that is plaguing you.

If you have difficulty making it work for you, try recalling how you endure those long lonely hours in a cold house with a broken leg, right in midst of winter. The same kind of effort is required to make Da Zhuang 34 works.

If this method is too intangible for you, then try rationalization rather than pulverization; which is exactly what you are doing now. The disruptions are simply too great and the happenings are too irrational for the brain to function.

Another worrying factor is that accumulated pockets of disruptions will jam up your inner system. When manifested in real life, everything will come to a standing still; thereby prolonging your endless agonies.

Sheng 46 is coming out strongly to support Da Zhuang 34. Sheng 46 is symbolized by wind merges with earth. It is basically saying that Da Zhuang 34 is your way to return to Natural State, your most stable state. A yang way to naturalize!

Finally the secret is out. You were actually being trained to contain real-life adversities within your inner domain for pulverization. A yin-coated yang power! Fascinating!

I am now totally convinced that Gou 44 is absolutely right: interacting with Mr. Hex 44 is indeed the fastest way to reach stability.

 

[wck6265]

Mr. Hex 44

So far the reading focus is solely on you; nothing on Mr. Hex 44. He is playing a pivotal role in Gou 44; and the picture won’t be complete without his side of the story.

We have been accusing him as the aggressor; sending senseless shockwaves causing disturbances. Actually the reverse is the truth: you are the real aggressor.

As your energy is so intense, it could linger on for days when received. This statement is not meant to be offensive. I am just trying to provide a friendly feedback so that we paint an as-it-is picture to flush out the truth. My point is simply: the lingered-on energy needs to be processed by Da Zhuang 34; otherwise it will stay on for days; at least it is true in my case.

Mr. Hex 44 is not angry with you. He is struggling hard with your energy; the same way you are struggling with his. It should be harder for him; as he has to deal with high intensity shockwaves. His reactions are simply manifestations of how he is handling this intangible energy interaction.

In order to gain firsthand experience of what he has to go through, I allowed myself to be overwhelmed with your energy projected from your last post. It kept me awake the whole night struggling to contain the pocket of disruptions stirred up by your energy. It took me almost 12 hours, on and off, to eventually complete the pulverization process.

The disruptions made me restless, edgy, impatient and of course sleepy. And the completion generated a sense of empowerment and confidence embodied in a state of calmness and contentment. I suppose this is how you would feel when you complete your own process. Besides, the perspective of this particular post is generated from this new energy state.

I hope the above experience can give you a glimpse of what he has to go through; as well as what you can expect out of going through with Da Zhuang 34.

His attitude towards you will change correspondingly with your new energy state. It will then trigger off the next set of shockwaves stirring up different set of emotional disturbances. This whole process will keep repeating itself until a state of sustainable calmness permeates through the interactions; and eventually through every aspects of your life.

In summary, the best way to change him is to change your energy state through Da Zhuang 34.

At the moment the bonding is on spiritual level; as there are too much emotional disruptions for any stable emotional bonding to occur. As you are still in a state of transit at the moment, it is best to assess the relationship only when you are on more stable ground.

 

[arabella]

Wck, at the least I should recognise that I understand, in essence, what you are saying, beyond that I don't know how much I can explain of WHY I understand, but I'll try. Working in the past with energy healing methods and knowing that I project an electrical condition into/onto the environment and other people, I've had to try to be responsible in the past for energy conditions I don't fully understand nor necessarily control. In short, I can visualise the situation you are describing, and it is probably not so rarified as people might think. It seems to me to be a manifestation of someone who projects so much intense and actualised energy [me] on someone who is by nature a more complacent, stable and mellow individual [Mr Gou] who, for some reason, is allowing those intense waves into his space -- or maybe he can't stop them. But, I suppose the point is that I have to project something else and that I can learn to do that by "understanding" his energy -- and that comes from absorbing it. I visualise "pulverising" as a fragmentation [either mental or practical] that creates a form of energy that can be absorbed and combined with my natural state. Absorb enough of this and I will have created a way to "interface" with him without damaging him, and vice versa.

I'd imagine most of this discussion sounds like utter nonsense to many, but I'm glad you are on this board because it makes complete sense to me. Maybe I can explain a little bit why it makes sense. In very basic terms, and at the risk of sounding completely bonkers, in my lifetime I've had experiences with other energy that has come in sets of simlar incidents over many years. That is, three similar near-death experiences, offset by four other experiences with what I would describe as "angelic" beings. One of them I didn't experience directly, but this came through my father, who then told me about it and delivered a message to me from that being. I know this isn't "normal" having spent a lifetime comparing notes with other people who may have had one such experience, or wondered if they did. I have had a few of each, but there is no reason I know of why this should have happened to one person. Even so, I can feel that with each of these experiences I picked up some additional energy and, not knowing what else to do with it, I've used it to heal people, because that is what my Mother needed initially and I turned it toward her when I was very young. Sometimes I can use it myself -- sometimes not. If I can heal myself, I generally do it when I am asleep and dream how to fix the problem. Sometimes it works for other people -- sometimes not. It has always worked to help my Mother who suffers from terrible anxiety. We've developed this connection to a point that I can transmit restorative energy to her through my voice. This is one reason I wanted to do a radio programme, because I thought speaking to people might be helpful, might transmit an energy into the atmosphere that I have too much of and that might be useful if it is spread around.

People who can see "auras" have sometimes stopped me in the street, or shop, to ask when I had a near-death experience. I used to explain in great detail about all three of them, but I've gotten tired of that over years and just explain the last one. However, they are all identical in one respect: they all have to do with hemorrhaging and going unconscious just to wake up and discover that I am still here. The first time this happened, I was four years old. The following year, I "saw" the first angel, who made a promise to me that actually happened as he had said.

I'm going to have a think on what you're saying about transforming energy that comes from Mr Gou. Poor man, look what he's gotten himself into. I suppose what you are saying overall is that, if I can't become a presence that doesn't jar him to the core, I can't be like him and I will represent a huge disturbance to his life with no real up-side for either of us.

In the past, I've aligned myself with men who absorbed everything I could give them and demanded more. They both became resentful and violent when I drew a line and said I couldn't offer anything else that would simply be misused or destroyed. Both of those relationships ended with those people throwing tantrums that made me pull back as far as I could. The first left and was dead within a few years, as I had predicted he would be. The second I left and he declined rapidly, ending up in hospital in a matter of months. He now has permanent nursing care. Again, it may sound quite odd, but I think these people are energy vampires. [Sort of the opposite of Mr. Gou.] And when you can't take it anymore and withdraw, they collapse and become what they were on their own: empty. All during these relationships, i felt that i was helping even "saving" them, but what was actually happening was that that they were stagnant, from a developmental viewpoint; pompously living from someone else's ability to adapt and recharge.

I imagine to most people it all sounds rather demented. You will understand this, however, Wck, because you deal in energy and that's what this saga is really about, the use of energy, the accumulation and distribution of it and maybe a bit of what other realms hold in transformative power that we can only see at the very edges of our imaginations. I don't pretend to understand it; but I've had to learn to live with it and try to be constructive. Thankx Wck for coming on here and attempting to clarify what should happen next. We have the common ground of the YiChing as a language to translate what energy is really about -- where it is useful or destructive; the means to transform it and adapt to it, ways to absorb or recreate the flow of energy. This holds great possibility for me, and I'd imagine for anybody who sees the inner workings of the Universe in a similar way.

 

[arabella]

What can I visualise for the constuctive effect of wind over earth? Usually, this would sound like a tornado. Maybe radio waves over earth? A gentle wind sound? I can't picture a situation in which wind and earth combine for the better, if that's the image i'm striving for.

 

[Tohpol]

What can I visualise for the constuctive effect of wind over earth? Usually, this would sound like a tornado. Maybe radio waves over earth? A gentle wind sound? I can't picture a situation in which wind and earth combine for the better, if that's the image i'm striving for.

Do think there's maybe too much analyses and "striving" right now? Perhaps you just need to sit with all this information a while and let it percolate? You know, just be and do with your daily things and let it all settle.

Or not.

Just the impression I'm getting, which may or may not be correct.

 

[arabella]

Do think there's maybe too much analyses and "striving" right now? Perhaps you just need to sit with all this information a while and let it percolate? You know, just be and do with your daily things and let it all settle.

Or not.

Just the impression I'm getting, which may or may not be correct.

That could very well be Topal. Although it's something I've lived with for years, these are things I've always wanted to "normalise" somehow and I welcome a suggested way to do that. Perhaps it is not possible to do immediately, on cue, and within the slim amount of time on hand in view of all else that is happening. What is being suggested makes complete sense to me, however, must be visualised from a feeling of strength and enacted in a purposeful way. And right now, the practical world is upside down, and maybe from an upside down position amongst the packing boxes, I can't achieve all that I'd like to. Maybe Mr. Gou is going to have to wait in the wings just a bit longer until I have a home again and a tiny bit of peace. I'll sleep on it tonight and let these ideas settle out.

 

[heylise]

wish you all the luck, good outcome, wisdom and whatever else helps right now.

 

[arabella]

Da Zhuang 34 is symbolized by the interaction of an inner-heaven and an outer-thunder.

Thunder symbolizes the shockwaves sent by Mr. Hex 44 through his words or actions that could stir up waves of disturbances throughout your inner system.

Heaven symbolizes your inner yang energy; which means that you are already heavily armed to defend yourself against any invasion. But there is a catch. It is an inner spiritual strength and can only be used within your spiritual domain. For Da Zhuang 34 to work, the first requirement is to capture and contain the invasion within you. This call for the inclusive quality of yin: the ability to accommodate the impossible. This immediately brings to mind the extensive endurance training you have gone through throughout winter at the mountain top.

The invasive forces contain his energy, which carries the shockwaves, and your own emotional impurities that are stir-up by the shockwaves. Examples of these invasive forces are

1. (I have the feeling of Mr. Hex 44 …. avoid this encounter [collision?} and is a bit worried about……)
2. (But I'm still not sure … the energy he represents…. Is he part of this? A messenger person? Is he, so to speak….).

Each of this thought is a pocket of mixtures containing his energy plus your emotional impurities. Your job is to capture and contain the pocket within you; which you are already handling with ease. You are well qualified to move on to the next stage of Da Zhuang 34.

Next is to pulverize the pocket with the power of pulverization of your inner yang energy. The pocket of disruptions can be feelings, thoughts or images. All you have to do is to keep a close watch on the evolution of this pocket, within the confine of your inner domain.

It will help if you can sway with the pocket; simulating the contracting and expanding powers of the yang energy. Most importantly, have faith and patience to see through the completion of the pulverization process. There is no need to complete the process in one session. You can go on and off and spread out the sessions into days or even weeks. Each session can be in minutes or hours. The key is to keep working on it.

The process is deemed to have completed once the pocket dissolves and merges with your energy to form a new energy state. It is marked by a new sensation of the energy state embodied in a state of calmness. It also brings clarity of mind; allowing you to have a new perspective on the pocket of disruptions that is plaguing you.

If you have difficulty making it work for you, try recalling how you endure those long lonely hours in a cold house with a broken leg, right in midst of winter. The same kind of effort is required to make Da Zhuang 34 works.

If this method is too intangible for you, then try rationalization rather than pulverization; which is exactly what you are doing now. The disruptions are simply too great and the happenings are too irrational for the brain to function.

Another worrying factor is that accumulated pockets of disruptions will jam up your inner system. When manifested in real life, everything will come to a standing still; thereby prolonging your endless agonies.

Sheng 46 is coming out strongly to support Da Zhuang 34. Sheng 46 is symbolized by wind merges with earth. It is basically saying that Da Zhuang 34 is your way to return to Natural State, your most stable state. A yang way to naturalize!

Finally the secret is out. You were actually being trained to contain real-life adversities within your inner domain for pulverization. A yin-coated yang power! Fascinating!

I am now totally convinced that Gou 44 is absolutely right: interacting with Mr. Hex 44 is indeed the fastest way to reach stability.

So I have tried this process, but tried in my own way, which began in reading this posting many times and, in the reading, I could incorporate the sense of this and the issues I felt with Mr. Gou dissolved and became something I could influence. If that is vague, I'm really sorry, but I hope it makes sense. What I realised contemplating this again and again, is the part of me that Mr. Gou responds to most favorably is the part of me that I most like. The parts that put him off -- blow him away so to speak -- are the facets of me that I wish I could jetison, in particular a certain kind of business facade that I fall back on when I'm feeling somehow threatened. I guess what I realised is that I don't have to ever feel threatened by him because he easily meets me half way when I'm just myself. If I throw up a defense it jars him and he probably wonders what is going on. It's a reflex I have developed from working in the professional world and having to compete. What I prefer, I have realised is a quieter, calmer way of being, the natural me, that lets everybody relax. And focusing on what Wck has said repeatedly in the posts he's done over several questions this finally came through loud and clear. The softer side is the real me; and the other side is the armor. And Mr. Gou seems to know the difference. Interesting.

PS I have just realised this may have nothing to do with what Wck actually had in mind and maybe I took an interpretation that isn't there, however, what I did manage to do has given me a better perspective on the dynamics between us -- I think -- and I feel certain I will know for sure in time if this is the key to the situation. Even if it isn't, I've come to a realisation about my own behaviour that I'm glad I have seen because it's something i want to change and now know that i can change. To others it may be quite subtle, but to me it's the difference between being myself or somebody else. OK time to stop before I confuse myself again. HAHAHAHAHAHA.

 

[bradford]

Where's that gatekeeper?

 

[Trojina]

 

[bradford]

Was that just some random spammer?
It doesn't happen here very often.

 

[Trojina]

i didn't see no spam

 

[pocossin]

Was that just some random spammer?
It doesn't happen here very often.

It happens several times a month but not so aggressively as this one. And it had all been cleaned up before I got to the computer this morning.

 

[arabella]

Yes, it was all over the place, twenty-some threads of it. Quite a clean-up job!

 

[heylise]

The spammer did one really good job: sending this thread to the top again. I have been reading it and it was exactly what I needed. Yesterday I cast Yi for "this year". Yesterday was for me an important date, every year a marker for a new start. Asking about my lives' work...
I got hex.3 lines 1 and 5, changing it to hex.2.

An interesting part of such a process is, though, that this raising of awareness shares a lot in common with hex.3 (the only one that shows us clearly how we get creative in the 1st and 5th place working within the same unit) which, at times, is very simple and instantaneous, or, seen in a greater context, it is nothing less than our lives' work: it is the act of breaking thru old active/reactive patterns into a new self-made reality . .

:bows: