Cauldron, Jade Rings, Perseverance & Determination

[dharma]

I've been working on something 'in the dark' for some time now; just following a natural inclination without ambition, as it were. I've not even mentioned it to anyone mainly because I hadn't a clue as to what it all meant and if it even had a logical destination at all. (The most I wish to say at this time is that it is a tarot book of sorts.) But now I am beginning to grasp what it's all about and having arrived here I feel like I need to take more conscious control of the rest of its development, in some specific way. The best I can do on my own is to polish up what I've thus far created yet there's another aspect to its completion that I cannot do on my own. Or at least I don't believe that I can.

How do I go about finding the right person or proper way of completing this project as I envision it in my mind's eye? I asked Yi, and Yi responded 50.6/32

Hx 50, The Cauldron, describes having the raw ingredients or potential for something valuable to emerge - that's certainly a good sign. There is a suggestion in one of my books that being "a source of inspiration and strength to others" may help me accomplish my aim but I don't know how that translates to my situation.

It also says to "take advantage of any opportunity" I am presented with and to "be open to possibilities." The first step, it seems, is to "accept present conditions whole-heartedly and not waste time running after something else" and to "focus on what is happening in the here and now."

This is easy enough since this has been my approach all along. However, the nuclear hexagram for Hx50 & Hx32 is Hx43 in both instances, which leads me to interpret that I NEED to take some kind of firm stand and be decisive in some way because "the obstacle that confronts [me] will not disappear on its own and has to be overcome."

Assuming that I am interpreting this correctly, how do I go about letting things happen naturally while being decisive in some way? Especially in light of the second Hx32, which I see as my CONSISTENT approach to everything in general. This is the slow plodding Ox in me who tends to stick with the 'tried and tested methods' fearful of making any radical moves that may upset the apple-cart.

Finally, the changing line (6) indicates that I have "something truly precious that can transform lives", I take it that my 'vision' is on the right track??

I would so appreciate ANY insight from anyone who would like to share. Thanks a bunch!

Dharma

 

[martin]

Hi Dharma,

What a coincidence(?). Recently, the I Ching gave me the same answer when I asked how to improve my chess program.
Till now I didn't get very far with the interpretation.
Jade is hard and soft. Should I try to find an optimal combination of hardware and software?
I discarded that possibility, because I am not into hardware, building computers and so on.
But a chessprogram has a hard part (raw calculation) and a softer, more flexible and subtle part that evaluates positions. The answer of the I Ching probably hints in that direction.

I don't know, is there also a "hard" and a "soft" part in your project? Historical/objective data versus interpretation perhaps?

Another association that I had: the color of jade is a healing color and I think that 50 relates to healing and wholeness, among other things.
I could imagine that your project has healing purposes or that it is important that what you make is whole in some sense.
But I can only guess.

Martin

PS I very much liked the crackpot story in the other thread

 

[mnbm2]

It seems that in this case the guidance you are seeking may come from your higher self.

The Browne Walker translation that I work with often reminds me of the obvious that I either choose to ignore or simply don't see very clearly at the time of my quandry.

Perhaps, the advice is not so much about finding another to help you with this but rather to seek the guidance of your Higher Self and then indeed stay on that course.

I agree, the general sense is that you are on track and that you may very well be working on something which will help and guide others. Hex 50 also calls you to let go of your ego ( fear, desires, strategies to control) and ..."listen carefully to the Sage (Higher Power)..."

Hope this helps

 

[supanatural]

Dharma

First of all I'm glad to hear from you again. I've been thinking about you, hoping that all is well with you.

I fully support your project. It appears to me, that the I King has fully sanctioned it as well. IMHO, the reason you have gone through this period of "working on something in the dark" is 50/6 becoming 32.

The 50th hexagram talks about establishing something new that will benefit others. Can you use all of your talents for the benefits of others? I believe you can

The 32nd hexagram is about staying power, when combined with the sacred Cauldron I see the question...Can you use all of your talents for the benefits of others, and build something that will stand the test of time? I think that is the reason you went through your period of "Working on something in the Dark"

Dharma, I would love to see something in the way of a book, or an entire system from the depths of your spirit. If there is anything I can do, please do not hesitate to let me know.

There is Honour in the struggle:Supanatural

 

[Sparhawk]

Let me add a couple of pesos to Dharma's invitation. Although we don't have the whole story nor we know what is the part that Dharma can complete by herself or the one that she needs help with, we can still analyze hexagrams.

I'd like first to quote from a translation of the Yi by Wu Jing-Nuan, just to approach the answer from the left field of uncommon translations:

50 Ding - A sacrificial vessel/a cauldron: Ding, the origin of good fortune. A sacrificial offering.
9/6 A ding with jade rings. Great good fortune. Without doubt advantageous.

32 Heng - Constancy: Heng, A sacrificial offering. No inauspicious omens. Profit the divination. Advantageous to have a place to go to.

Both hexagrams talk about sacrifice and offerings. While 50 is actual empty vessel, let's call it the concept, 32 is the actual act of offering a sacrifice using that vessel, the content. The correlation between the two hexagrams is a natural one and the combination of the two is what would make up for the finish product. Be it whatever it will be according to the querent's concern. The sages were quite wise to have added this text to the 9/6 of 50. The upper trigram of 50, Li, also shows a visualization and an adherence to it. Could this be a visualization of what we want to acomplish by the offering? In this case, I think so.

Like somebody else mentioned here, 32 also talks about constancy. In this case, staying and developing the idea.

Dharma also mentioned the hexagram that is created by the nuclear trigrams, 43, which Wu Jing-Nuan translates as "Decision". He translates the Judgment as follows:
43 Quai - Decision: Displayed in the king's court. Trust in the signals. There will be danger. Inform one's own city. No advantage in immediate warfare. Advantageous to have a place to go.

Here you have it. Once again, two of the hexagrams in question are combined to affirm a course of action. Both 32 and 43 advise to have a place to go to. This, at least to me, could mean an actual place to go for advise, or a learned person to consult (Superior Man?).

If we take 43 as the background hexagram for the overall act of sacrifice given by 50 and 32, we must also be attentive to details since once the project is out in the open (King's court) there may be challenges to it. Critics abound, it seems, and a court of your own peers could be a nasty bunch to deal with. Keeping your eyes open to the right signs, careful selection and detail oriented and knowing when to retreat to one's own place (No advantage in warfare and having a place to go to) seems to be the best advise. That would give you time to polish the necessary details for an unchallenged presentation.

Wu Jing-Nuan, interestingly, also adds a comment to 50 saying that the ancient pictographs for Ding

which depict a cauldron and Zhen (don't have a clip for that but looked very similar in upper radicals) which means "to divine, divination", were used interchangeably throught the ages. So here I think I see a loop reference to what Dharma's finish product may look like.

The three hexagrams are closely knit to your question. I cannot answer for you who the right person will be for the task. That's part of your own, very personal, quest. But I think that the Yi gave you quite a few clues. Watch for the signs!!

Please excuse my, sometimes, crazy grammar and style.

Cheers,

Luis

 

[dannyl]

Delurking briefly ? I?ve been thinking a lot about Hexagram 50 lately, so thought I?d add my 2 cents. Puzzling it over with comparison to The Well, if The Well is a ?deep source?, something that?s already there if we can just remember it, then the Cauldron is more something that has to be prepared, cooked or fermented. Put to heat from underneath, to return from to the imagery ? seems you?ve been doing this with your work, with auspicious results, to judge from the changing line. It seems to me to be an image of the creative process. Anyone like to comment on this interpretation? However, the work continues and Hex. 32 indicates what will bring this to fruition, the satisfaction you?re looking for, the earthing of the work ? Duration.

This seems such a clear reading to me that I don?t know about the inclusion of the nuclear hexagram here, don?t you feel it just muddies the waters?

 

[Sparhawk]

Just to add to what Dannyl said, something that I forgot to mention in my previous message, he very well points to a comparison with Hex48, The Well.

Both 48 and 50 are the only two hexagrams that mention a man made object, a well and a cauldron. However, there is a basic difference between the two.

Although the well is a man made object, its purpose is to facilitate access to a naturally occuring phenomenom: underground spring water, also a form of nourishment. This can also be seen as access to a natural, spirit world. Elementals.

The cauldron, on the other hand, is a man made object created for the sole purpose of filling it with our own sacrificial offerings and/or our very own nourishment. Is what we put in the cauldron and how we "cook" it that dictates what we get from it. It is a process of purposely creation.

Luis

 

[pedro]

I too have received 50/32 some time ago, more than once. I think the key to understanding 50.6 lies in 32. Our attitudes in this life (the cooking we do in our cauldron) cannot really shine (like jade) unless there is constancy of the heart. Thats why 50.6 links to 32. We cannot provide for others unless our heart is settled and we do it for their benefit and not as some sort of way to feed our own egos. In any case I dont think this should be interpreted like we already have it all, and shouldnt continue to develop further. We dont have jade rings yet, it merely point that we should be like jade, pure and strong.
Thats also why I think 32.6 is so bad. It changes to 50, but I think it represents the lack of the qualities the ding stands for.

 

[martin]

Another thought about 50 that might help (it helped me in my software project):

[warning; unconventional interpretation; possibly crackpot]

Astrologically (I wrote about that in another thread) the trigram fire has an affinity with jupiter and the sign sagittarius. The trigram wood resembles mercury and virgo.
In 50 fire is above wood. The qualities of sagittarius (should) dominate or guide the virgo qualities.

Virgo: concentrates on details and might get lost in them; is precise, (over)critical and tends toward perfectionism; tries to be objective/scientific; is careful and can be pessimistic, etcetera.

Sagittarius: stands back and tries to see the big picture; uses general concepts; doesn't care much for details and is often inaccurate; is optimistic (the sky is the limit); can be rude sometimes; is personal and subjective, etcetera.

The advice that goes with 50, read in this way, is perhaps: bring in more sagittarius qualities without losing the good things that virgo has to offer.

I hope that this cracked pot will water some flowers

 

[hmesker]

Hi Pedro,

Yesterday I hesitated to post the Yilin poem of 50-32 in this thread (yes, I am in Yilin mode these days), but now I have read your message I think it might be (a bit) appropriate (and I know you are interested in the Yilin, right?):

Deceitful words, interpretated language
Revenge leads to misfortune for both (or 'revenge and misfortune get along well')
Water entering the charcoal room
It dies out without rest.
(Yilin 50-32)

It may sound strange that the text of the Yilin is so harsh, while the text of line 6 in the Yi is so favourable. The Yilin is written during the Han dynasty, a time when they paid less attention to the text of the Yi, and worked more with the trigrams and lines themselves.

The difference between 50 and 32 is line 6: This is the realm of Heaven, or the head - speech and thoughts. It could imply that thought and speech are not balanced: 'deceitful words, interpretated language'. In other words: be honest about your goals, tell reality, don't tell fantasy. When water (feelings, but also fear) enters the room where the charcoal (your motivations? your 'fuel') is stored, you won't have a chance of getting anywhere.

And: jade rings are beautiful, but very rare and expensive. You can reach for the best, but don't go over the top - which is also line 6.

Best,

Harmen.

 

[hmesker]

Eeeh...'interpretated', that's not good, no? Should be 'interpreted', yes?

Harmen.

 

[chrislofting]

Hi Harmen,

You wrote:
> Hi Pedro,
>
> Yesterday I hesitated to post the Yilin poem of 50-32 in
> this thread (yes, I am in Yilin mode these days), but now I
> have read your message I think it might be (a bit)
> appropriate (and I know you are interested in the Yilin,
> right?):
>
> Deceitful words, interpretated language
> Revenge leads to misfortune for both (or 'revenge and
> misfortune get along well')
> Water entering the charcoal room
> It dies out without rest.
> (Yilin 50-32)
>

In analysis of the *general* methodogy of changing lines etc in the I Ching we find that the change process reflects the COMPRESSION of static lines at the level of 4096 dodecagrams (2^12) into 64 hexagrams of changing lines (4^6). This compression is based on line *pairs* where the encode/decode pattern is:

dodecagram pair = hexagram line
-------------------------------
yin line pair = yin
yin below yang = yin changing into yang
yang below yin = yang changing into yin
yang line pair = yang

Thus the dodecagram sequence of 011101-011100, read as bottomline-to-topline, is interpretable as 50-32 but in fact appears more to be representative of:

x1xx10 = hexagram 010010 (hex 29) with changing lines 1, 3, & 4 and so a change into 111110 (hex 43 - the dodecagram of which is 111111111100)

These interpretations come from the notion of reading things from the base upwards such that a pair of lines as yin followed by yang can temporally be interpreted as yin changing into yang when in a compressed form of expression.

This means we can even collapse hexagrams into moving-line trigrams. Thus

010111 (hexagram 06) compresses into xx1 as the trigram of mountain (001) with changing lines 1 and 2 (and so changing into the trigram of heaven and so the hexagram of 01)

As such there is still a lot of work to be done in understanding the realm of dodecagrams (http://pages.prodigy.net/lofting/64dodecagrams.html)

> It may sound strange that the text of the Yilin is so harsh,
> while the text of line 6 in the Yi is so favourable. The
> Yilin is written during the Han dynasty, a time when they
> paid less attention to the text of the Yi, and worked more
> with the trigrams and lines themselves.
>

...but also note the associations of negatives and water with the yilin interpretation that when compressed gives us qualities of hexagram 29 - The Abysmal - with 1, 2, and 4 changing. Hexagram 29 has a generic focus on issues of containment and control, us vs them, issues of disgust and rejection, and an overall focus on issues of security seeking and protection.

Based on the encode/decode patterns given above, hexagram 50 in dodecagram mode is expressed as 001111110011. Hexagram 32 is expressed as 001111110000. Thus at the dodecagram level, 50 changing into 32 requires the top two lines of the dodecagram equivalent of 50 to change.

At the hexagram level 50 and 32 form a pair that reflects the same generic meaning expressed in differentiating terms (50) vs expression in an integrating form (32).

Chris.

 

[dharma]

I sat with each letter and extracted every ounce of substance they contained and its fair to say that each one contained a worthwhile pearl.

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Martin,
Thank heaven for the many crackpots that we are blessed with.. it is in recognizing the nature of our unique defects and finding the joy in them that casts rainbows of color all around us. You guessed right.. this project, successfully completed, very definitely has to do with healing and wholeness, in more ways than one.

The end product is ultimately a meditative package and as such has three very distinct aspects to it that must be holistically brought together if it will ever have the power to heal the individual through its use. It's true that I go back and forth between the microscopic lens of precision and the telescopic lens of idealism. My easy-to-bore aries moon tends to influence me into forever flipping back and forth between the two extreme view-points, so I am confident that this will never be a problem. It's finally nice to hear from someone else that this built-in "character trait" has a worthwhile value and does not always translate into "jack-of-all-trades-and-master-at-none."

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Mnbm2,
I appreciate your wise words and advice about trusting my Higher-Self to continue guiding me the rest of the way "home". I can see how it may be tempting to begin turning my whole secret-love project into an ambitious-gain tour especially now that my ego has gotten a whiff of its potential.

I will remember to stay grounded in order to avoid the damage that any controlling strategy would have upon the growth of what is still very much a seedling pushing through the soil.
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Supanatural,
Hello!

I am honoured by your response and your heart-felt support is most welcome. Yes, I recall distinctly that these hexagrams and your incarnational objective are the same. When they came up, I thought of you!

Can I use all my talents for the benefit of others, you ask? Well, it would seem that this is precisely what I am attempting. A meditation package, using the tarot, along with my inclination for health/fitness, my interest in art/music, all melded together and meant to strike a balance on the psychospiritual level through its use. Your words make me aware that despite the many long years already spent working on this there is still a great amount left to do if my efforts are to "stand the test of time" as you suggested. Though I may see the potential of the seed in my hold it is not yet an oak tree.. and your unexpected message bolsters me with the courage to continue the struggle. Thank you for your offer to help - I won't hesitate to ask when the time comes.

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Luis,
Bless you for adding your pesos to my collection basket.

You intuited correctly despite the scant information you had to work with -tarot is the vessel, the years of toiling in the dark under unclear conditions, my sacrifice, and the top changing line is now the visualization of what I want to accomplish made perfectly clear. Staying with the ideas and developing each separately so that they all can eventually flow together as one, is critical to the overall product.

Right now it is just little ol' me and in time I will need the assistance of more learned people in the areas where I am the weakest. In order to do this, I agree, I must be open to the signs along the way and pay close attention to the details for the end product to pass muster, unchallenged, in the marketplace. Right now I am putting the finishing touches on the most important level (the foundation) that the other two levels will build up upon. More accurately, as you said yourself, they will "loop" through each other.

Truly, I see now that what I thought was "awake" was a long time of sleep, dreams and incubation. I will watch for those signs and take care to not hit the snooze button!

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Dannyl,
Indeed, The Well and the The Cauldron function in very different ways. With The Vessel it's not enough to merely recognize worth as compared to The Well. The Vessel is a container meant to be utilized in a specific way, as you point out, and as I have been doing, otherwise it remains empty or the food stays simply raw. Applying heat while adding, one-by-one, all the necessary ingredients has been the first stage of the process which I have "unconsciously" done. Of course, there is more to come and many decisions to be made but I believe that what I have cooking here still requires more simmering. I agree then that I'd be muddying up the waters by making any decisions that go beyond stirring what is already in the pot with the big wooden ladle that has served me well all this time.

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Pedro,
Thank you for adding your ideas. I am trying my best to be pure and strong like jade because I am very aware that unless I apply myself in this manner nothing will come of what I hold in my hands and no one will benefit from it either. Incidentally, your focus on the importance of the jade made me more aware of the fact that my son's middle name is Jade. Having done very nicely in living up to his "core" name essence, he is a great model of behavior for me to follow.

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Hmesker,
Though you were speaking to Pedro I gleaned something of value for myself in the process. "Be honest, tell reality not fantasy" this is relevant to the project. The main body of the meditation package around which all else revolves is a storyline that weaves through the archetypes of the cards as they are typically understood and as I have personally experienced them through the story of my own life. With myth and reality tied up so closely together, I may risk losing the real nutritive substance that I am cooking up in the pot by being too concerned by how *I* appear to others and make the mistake of adding more "coloring and preservatives" than is really necessary.

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Chris,
You've added a little spice here, not too sure yet how it will affect the overall meal, but we'll see when "soups on!"

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Much thanks to you all for the giving of your time and attention to my situation. Your gifts all come nicely wrapped in the form of spiritual generosity and for that I appreciate you all the more. While I make certain that the meal I am stirring up doesn't overcook, please feel free to add more to this collection basket if the spirit should move you to do so again.

with

Dharma

 

[pedro]

Hi Harmen, glad to know you're in Yilin mode

And yes, I think that posting whatever changes you happen to translate in relevant threads, is not only a way to expand on the interpretations people offer, but also a way to seduce other persons to the beauty of the Yilin, which may gather new contributors for the colossal initiative of translating it, that you and LiSe are taking (only wished I could be of more help).
Personally the Yilin has opened my eyes to the beauty of chinese characters and translation (many thanks to LiSe

). Im merely starting, and I cant devote as much time as I'd like. Im at a point where I can reasonably find most of the characters and make a draft of the translation. Most of the times, though, Im not able to get more than an overall meaning, not actual rendered poetry like you and LiSe do so well. Anyway, its the effort that counts

This particular text was one that I had started "translating" sometime ago but I dropped it half way, out of the lack of time or cause I was seeing chinese characters whenever I closed my eyes. I gotta check the actual characters (do you have the characters in text so you can send them to me?), cause although I see some meaning in your translation, I cant really nail the whole significance (I dont have the presumption of translating it better than you, I just want to give it a try myself).

Your interpretation is very plausible (although I also am puzzled by the grim message), let me just add a few comments that came to mind as I read your translation

"Deceitful words, interpretated language "

I read here some caution as to letting meaning override content. Maybe it just condemns deceitfulness, but my first though was that too many interpretation usually spoils the true meaning. Interpretation is an ego function, and sometimes intuition is a better approach. Intuition brings a notion directly from the subconscious to the conscious, without passing through the ego, so it is not deturped by it, and consequently its more reliable. Interpretation implieis some processing from the ego, that can spoil the original meaning. This happens all the time when we deceive ourselves by reading from the Yi what we would like to read, and not what its really there - thats why it is so rewarding when we are surprised by the Yi, some word, some sentence that shocks us, and proves very enlightening. When we are in that state of perplexity the ego doesnt have time to react, and what gets to the conscious is virtually untampered. Thats a great deal of how the Yi works, and thats also how the hua tou works by raising that state of doubt that forces us to abandon plain login, and by consequence, the ego.

"Revenge leads to misfortune for both (or 'revenge and misfortune get along well')"

what can this mean, besides from the fact that revenge is ego-and-anger-based, and of course not a good thing? (in any case seems your second version is more logical)

"Water entering the charcoal room
It dies out without rest."

This part is also misterious. Your imagery seems a good way to make sense out of it, but as you say its hard to conciliate it with the usual good omen we associate 50.6 with. But then maybe 50.6 is not so favorable, as it wont work without an effort on our side. Its not like we're perfect already and can just sit back and relax, waiting for the good blessings to fall from the sky.

Being a 6th line I guess your last remark is very appropriate. Why is it so favorable if its not central, not correct and at the end of the hexagram? And why is 32.6 so unfavorable? I guess this is one good example that all the stuff about lines , correspondances, etc, is just a show that was put later on. They certainly could bend the rules ocasionally...

Anyway, thanks for sharing this Yilin verse. Iam very interested in 50 as well, and the Yilin, in its misteryous way, can be yet another perspective. Please let us know if you happen to translate other 50's... namely 50-44 (5th line), and 50-14 (1st) may be of interest (even the dreadful 50-18)

 

[hmesker]

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And yes, I think that posting whatever changes you happen to translate in relevant threads, is not only a way to expand on the interpretations people offer, but also a way to seduce other persons to the beauty of the Yilin, which may gather new contributors for the colossal initiative of translating it, that you and LiSe are taking (only wished I could be of more help). <!-/Quote-!><HR SIZE=0></BLOCKQUOTE>
Ah, but you can! Translating is one part, but linking the poems to the I Ching is another. And what I've seen you are a critical thinker, not afraid to be in doubt ("when one wants to acquire knowledge, one must first know how to doubt", a Confucian anthology by Zhu Xi says).

And: it is very easy to fix the meaning of Chinese characters, which isn't good. what we need is others who are able to think about Chinese characters without a framework. Already I notice that my knowledge of the Chinese language is limiting my view sometimes. In a translation of 4-59 I translated the character 'xing' as 'good' or 'perfect'. But that's a way too young meaning of the character. Only minutes later I saw LiSe's (and your) translation ('following'), which made me aware of my blunder. My translation wasn't wrong, but it hardly could be what the writer had in mind.

As you see, your help is needed here!

Have to get back to work now. Hope to hear more of you soon.

Best,

Harmen.

 

[heylise]

Deceitful words and target language: words which are not true and language which is directed at an effect instead of being honest

Revenge and misfortune summon each other: revenge will cause misfortune and vv

Water in the space of the fire below the cooking pot (hex.50!) will irresistibly cause it to die.

Could it mean ?IF one is deceitful and all the other negative things, THEN the fire will be extinguished??
50.6 has as fan yao (complementary line) 32.6. In 32.6 there is a warning against acting as reaction instead out of inner truth. The deceitful words etc. They will cause the cooking to be unsuccessful. In that case jade rings are of no use.
I think the Yilin also gives a warning, same like the YiJing does, not a fate. Be true, open and honest, and then your beautiful cauldron (50.6: you DO have a great cauldron) will fulfill its destination of cooking valuable food.

LiSe

 

[willow]

50, cauldron, 32, steadiness. In alchemy there is a moment just before the final transformation (6th line, right?) when the whole pot bubbles up fiercely and the most important thing is holding on, not dropping it, not breaking the container.

And Hi Dharma!

 

[dharma]

Hi Willow!

I like the image you've painted here of holding tight to the pot as it begins to come to a boil.

What could be possible reasons for dropping the container though?

If the handles are indeed jade then there should not be any discomfort from the "heat" of the cooking process. What other possible reasons might one be wary of?

Hmm.. Could it be that the jade handles only come into being *during* the cooking process and that dropping the container prior to their 'emergence' is always a possibility? Or is this a moot point?

Dharma

 

[dharma]

It is a moot point. I realized I was talking myself into circles here nano-seconds after I hit the post button.

The jade handles are indeed what is "cooking" metaphorically and could be dropped on account of the intense heat during the process before its completion.

Own question answered,
Dharma

 

[martin]

That's interesting, Dharma.
You have demonstrated that it is possible to use the internet to talk with yourself!

 

[Sparhawk]

Uh??

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Interesting... I've always thought that was a given fact of internet communications.

And I wonder: Don't we all, in some ways, when we write, have a dialogue with ourselves?? We are our first listeners and, in some cases, our very own worst critics... Perhaps, it should always be that way. It would certainly avoid a lot of

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Cheers,

Luis

 

[dharma]

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[martin]

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