Change Operators / Change Patterns - Full Listing?

[my_key]

I am looking to take a closer look at Change Operators / Change Patterns this year. I was hoping I might be able to kick start the process by locating a comprehensive list of both yin and yang operators for each of the 64 hexagrams. I'd be grateful if anyone is able to provide directions to where this information might be readily found or are willing to share details that they have already collated for themselves.

Thanks in advance
Michael

 

[Trojina]

Well I know what change patterns are but I'm puzzled, can't figure what you mean when you say

I was hoping I might be able to kick start the process by locating a comprehensive list of both yin and yang operators for each of the 64 hexagrams.

I mean the change patterns are whatever hexagram the change lines make so I can't figure what you mean by a comprehensive list of yin and yang patterns? As it's possible for the yang/yin patterns to be any of the hexagrams how can there be a list? I don't understand what you're asking for ?

 

[my_key]

Hi Trojina
Every reading has 2 change patterns - one pattern comes from the changing lines being represented by a yin line the other has the changing lines being represented by a yang line. In each instance, the unchanging lines in a reading are represented by the line of opposite polarity.

Obviously for each reading the nature of the 6 lines in the hexagram offers multiple change patterns. I can't do the maths of changing line possibilities so say each hexagram produces a gazillion change patterns and there are 64 gazillion in total. That's a big number !! Each of the 64 gazillion outcomes will be represented, on numerous occasions, by one of the 64 main hexagrams.

It's probably akin to the Forest of Change levels in terms of cross referencing work x 2. So, if someone had already done the slog of listing the yin and yang change patterns of 1.1 > 44; 1.2 > 13; 1.1.2 >34 etc it would get me off to a flying start.

I hope that explains more clearly for you and others what my post is about.

Best wishes

 

[hilary]

I still don't get it! If line 1 (alone) is changing - in any hexagram - then yang pattern's 24, yin pattern's 44. If .1.2, then it's 19/33, and so on. But how is what you would write out any different from the reference chart of hexagrams at the back of your I Ching book?

 

[my_key]

Hi Hilary
I've just spent the last 30 minutes or more mapping out different hexagram changes on bits of paper. I think I had missed a trick and had gone off into a deep dive without taking a breath of air first. The combinations are not a gazillion for each hexagram.

I think I'd set off with a picture in my head of the unchanging lines retaining their original charge and then went off down the rabbit hole from there.

I can see clearly, thanks to my bits of paper, better how this pans out:

Line 1 changing has associated hexagram patterns that becomes either yin under 5 yang lines (Hex 44 - yin change pattern) or yang under 5 yin lines (Hex 24 - yang change pattern). This will be the same for all hexagrams with solely line one changing.

Line 1 &2 changing has associated hexagram pattern that becomes either 2 yin lines under 4 yang lines (Hex 33 - yin change pattern) or 2 yang lines under 4 yin lines (Hex 19 - yang change pattern). This will be the same for all hexagrams with solely changing at positions 1 and 2.

Lines 1, 2 & 3 changing has associated hexagram pattern that becomes either 3 yin under lines under 3 yang lines (Hex 12 - yin change pattern) or 3 yang lines under 3 yin lines (Hex 11 - yang change pattern)

Lines 1, 3,4 & 6 changing in any hexagram has associated hexagram pattern of Hex 39 (yin change pattern) or Hex 38 (yang change pattern)

So, what I'm thinking now is that there are 2 change patterns for every single line position change and also for every combination of changing lines. I still can't do the maths still but there looks to be much fewer options.

Is that more in line with how you see things?
And most importantly do you have a crib sheet or list?

Thanks for pulling on the reins and slowing the galloping horse down.

Take Care.

 

[hilary]

Yes, that's how they work. Each pair of yang/yin change patterns/ operators will be a pair of opposite (aka complementary) hexagrams, of course.

I'm still not sure how a list of change patterns would look different from a list of the 64 hexagrams. Do you mean you want a list of opposites? 1:2, 3:50, 4:49, 5:35 etc?

 

[my_key]

Yes, that's how they work. Each pair of yang/yin change patterns/ operators will be a pair of opposite (aka complementary) hexagrams, of course.

I'm still not sure how a list of change patterns would look different from a list of the 64 hexagrams. Do you mean you want a list of opposites? 1:2, 3:50, 4:49, 5:35 etc?

I think I have in my mind an comprehensive list that that summarises yin and yang patterns for each combination of changing lines. Something like

Change Combination(s) Yin / Yang
1 44 / 24
1. 2 33 / 19
1.2.3 12 / 11
1.3.4.6 39 / 38

etc etc

 

[Trojina]

So, what I'm thinking now is that there are 2 change patterns for every single line position change and also for every combination of changing lines.

Yes, I explained that here, thought you knew that already....

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I thought you must have meant something more complex. If line 4 changes in any hexagram the yang pattern will always be 16 and the yin pattern will always be 9 and so it goes. There's as many change patterns as there are hexagrams except it can be 9 yang/16 yin or 16 yang/9 yin with any change patterns, goes both ways so to speak.


Not sure why you'd need a list as you can look at any cast and see straight away what the change pattern is. And of course, though it's obvious took me a minutes to catch on, the yang and yin pattern are always opposites/complements.

 

[hilary]

you can look at any cast and see straight away what the change pattern is.

Er, yes. And is a much more succinct way of writing it than .1.3.5 .

However, here's a list of the 32 opposites (aka pairs of patterns/operators), because that won't take me 3 minutes to write:

• 1:2
• 3:50
• 4:49
• 5:35
• 6:36
• 7:13
• 8:14
• 9:16
• 10:15
• 11:12
• 17:18
• 19:33
• 20:34
• 21:48
• 22:47
• 23:43
• 24:44
• 25:46
• 26:45
• 27:28
• 29:30
• 31:41
• 32:42
• 37:40
• 38:39
• 51:57
• 52:58
• 53:54
• 55:59
• 56:60
• 61:62
• 63:64

 

[my_key]

Not sure why you'd need a list as you can look at any cast and see straight away what the change pattern is. And of course, though it's obvious took me a minutes to catch on, the yang and yin pattern are always opposites/complements.

I'm thinking of exploring more than one off casts, something that throws a wider net. I have hold of one end of a piece of string at the moment.....................

 

[surnevs]

You probably know Bradford Hatcher's Yijing word by word. In the second volume - I'm not sure here if this is what you are searching for - he got a load of stuff about change patterns.
PDF LINK

 

[my_key]

Hi surnevs
I haven't swam in Lake Hatcher for a long while. Thanks for reminding me of and pointing me towards his work.