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That's guang1: light, ray; brightness, lustre, glory, honour; glossy, polished; bare, naked; only, merely; used up.
It is a combination of 火 huo (fire) and 人 (ren) rendered as a kneeling man (jie)
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Thanks, Luis.
Is there a gua correlation that you can see?
How might it be used in a sentence?
Is there a gua correlation that you can see?
How might it be used in a sentence?
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Oh, and how does guang1 differ from li?
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Hi Bruce,
Guang1 appears three times in the text of the Zhouyi as follow (I used Wilhelm's):
5.0
需 有孚。光亨貞吉。利涉大川。
xu1 you3 fu2 guang1 heng1 zhen1 ji2 li4 she4 da4 chuan1
需 有孚。光亨貞吉。利涉大川。
xu1 you3 fu2 guang1 heng1 zhen1 ji2 li4 she4 da4 chuan1
WAITING. If you are sincere,
You have light and success.
Perseverance brings good fortune.
It furthers one to cross the great water.
You have light and success.
Perseverance brings good fortune.
It furthers one to cross the great water.
20.4
六四 觀國之光。利用賓于王。
liu4 si4 guan1 guo2 zhi1 guang1 li4 yong4 bin1 yu2 wang2
六四 觀國之光。利用賓于王。
liu4 si4 guan1 guo2 zhi1 guang1 li4 yong4 bin1 yu2 wang2
Contemplation of the light of the kingdom.
It furthers one to exert influence as the guest of a king.
It furthers one to exert influence as the guest of a king.
64.5
六五 貞吉旡悔。君子之光。有孚吉。
liu4 wu3 zhen1 ji2 wu2 hui3 jun1 zi3 zhi1 guang1 you3 fu2 ji2
六五 貞吉旡悔。君子之光。有孚吉。
liu4 wu3 zhen1 ji2 wu2 hui3 jun1 zi3 zhi1 guang1 you3 fu2 ji2
Perseverance brings good fortune.
No remorse.
The light of the superior man is true.
Good fortune.
No remorse.
The light of the superior man is true.
Good fortune.
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A funny thing happens with li2 離... Only one of its meanings apply to "light" and is only to emphasize its brightness (i.e. bright light) The full meaning for li2 離 is:
to leave / to depart / to separate / separation / to defy / to go against / distant from / apart from / to run into / to meet with / to act in pair / (said of light) bright / a Chinese family name
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That's very interesting, Luis. Thanks very much.
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another question
Where does the idea of clinging come from, in Li2? All the glossary and key words appear more toward separation, moving out from, i.e. radiating. I understand that fire clings to fuel, etc, but I don't see clinging mentioned, or even implied.
Where does the idea of clinging come from, in Li2? All the glossary and key words appear more toward separation, moving out from, i.e. radiating. I understand that fire clings to fuel, etc, but I don't see clinging mentioned, or even implied.
This is from my Xao Gua chapter, on Li. Two characters pronounced Li are used.
The one translated clinging, conditioned or dependent first occurs in the Tuan Zhuan
to round out the concept begun with articulation, separating or diversifying. The
notion that best contains both halves of this paradox is the later Buddhist idea
of "conditioned arising."
The first Li:
Key Words: Shining, articulating, individuating, renewing, evaluating, appearing
transforming, contrasting, discerning, clarifying, metabolizing, qualifying, burning
combustion, attention, identity, spark, health, hearth, foresight, witness, coherence
instance, moment, importance, departure, exaltation, vision, presence, interaction
solar, phototrophic, lucid, sentient, healing, explicit, distinct, contingent, self-aware
warm, outgoing, eye-catching, sociable, fired up, lambent, eidetic, varied, colorful
triumphant, dazzling, temperamental, vital, unique, discrete, forward, golden, alive
The Symbolism: Li, as flame and sunlight, might be thought of as symbolic of the
energy which powers, organizes, lights and informs living beings, except that this
is not symbol but reality: fire is spirit’s face. Energy which now is awareness, or a
campfire, was yesterday trapped in a plant’s complex sugars, the day before, light,
on the way to photosynthesis. Tomorrow this may be invested again, in creation,
memory, knowledge or a friendship. Li encompasses both perspectives: on one’s
sources, and on one’s present transformation, both on the fuel and on the flame’s
application in the greater beyond, on convergence and diversification. This is the
fourth dimension, a being’s transformative track through time: then, now & when.
The second Li, from my Glossary:
li4 3914 878a 198+8 30.T (to be) contingent, conditioned, conditional, dependent, depending, reliant (on, upon); attached, assigned, joined, conjoined, fastened, tied, connected, clinging (to); mutual, interconnected, interdependent; graceful, beautiful, refined, well-proportioned, good, elegant, radiant, handsome, splendid; (to) rely, depend (on, upon); cling together, join, conjoin, fasten, attach, connect (s, ed, ing); (a, the) dependence, conditionality, conditioning, reliance; antelope
The one translated clinging, conditioned or dependent first occurs in the Tuan Zhuan
to round out the concept begun with articulation, separating or diversifying. The
notion that best contains both halves of this paradox is the later Buddhist idea
of "conditioned arising."
The first Li:
Key Words: Shining, articulating, individuating, renewing, evaluating, appearing
transforming, contrasting, discerning, clarifying, metabolizing, qualifying, burning
combustion, attention, identity, spark, health, hearth, foresight, witness, coherence
instance, moment, importance, departure, exaltation, vision, presence, interaction
solar, phototrophic, lucid, sentient, healing, explicit, distinct, contingent, self-aware
warm, outgoing, eye-catching, sociable, fired up, lambent, eidetic, varied, colorful
triumphant, dazzling, temperamental, vital, unique, discrete, forward, golden, alive
The Symbolism: Li, as flame and sunlight, might be thought of as symbolic of the
energy which powers, organizes, lights and informs living beings, except that this
is not symbol but reality: fire is spirit’s face. Energy which now is awareness, or a
campfire, was yesterday trapped in a plant’s complex sugars, the day before, light,
on the way to photosynthesis. Tomorrow this may be invested again, in creation,
memory, knowledge or a friendship. Li encompasses both perspectives: on one’s
sources, and on one’s present transformation, both on the fuel and on the flame’s
application in the greater beyond, on convergence and diversification. This is the
fourth dimension, a being’s transformative track through time: then, now & when.
The second Li, from my Glossary:
li4 3914 878a 198+8 30.T (to be) contingent, conditioned, conditional, dependent, depending, reliant (on, upon); attached, assigned, joined, conjoined, fastened, tied, connected, clinging (to); mutual, interconnected, interdependent; graceful, beautiful, refined, well-proportioned, good, elegant, radiant, handsome, splendid; (to) rely, depend (on, upon); cling together, join, conjoin, fasten, attach, connect (s, ed, ing); (a, the) dependence, conditionality, conditioning, reliance; antelope
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Brad, thanks for illuminating illumination. Actually, I had used your references earlier, but equalizing meanings I did not catch (pun sorta intended). I get the dual meaning better now, or rather the process and balance of Li.
"...except that this is not symbol but reality: fire is spirit’s face" - This is the feeling I got from the image. It strikes a pentecostal chord: flame of the Holy Spirit, dancing over their heads.
"...except that this is not symbol but reality: fire is spirit’s face" - This is the feeling I got from the image. It strikes a pentecostal chord: flame of the Holy Spirit, dancing over their heads.
One other note on Li (the Gua Name) (I forgot to include the Glossary entry). The original word meaning begins I think with the oriole. The root meaning of the word is really obvious if you have ever seen this bird perched in a winter bush or tree, i.e, against a gray background. It really stands out.
li2 3902 23f 172+11 12.4 (to) rise, arise, radiate, diverge, separate, contrast, depart, differ, digress, part, get distance, distinguish (from, out of); articulate, leave, spread out, stand out, move on, abandon, choose (one), decide, part, cut, divide, distribute, arrange, set out, pass on, pass through, hang down, hang from (s, ed, ing); (to be) distinct, different, diverse, diversified, divided, separated, off, away (from), distant, apart (from), without; pendant, dependent, dispersed, independent (of); (a, the) arising, rearising, departure, removal, distinction, divergence, division, separation, distance, difference (from); radiance, display, fire, flame, firelight, highlight; net; vis a vis each other; a bird, esp. an oriole (colorful contrast); figure ground relationships; the root of the English word "existence" is to stand out or stand forth; "When Li birds sing, silk worms grow" Shuowen
li2 3902 23f 172+11 12.4 (to) rise, arise, radiate, diverge, separate, contrast, depart, differ, digress, part, get distance, distinguish (from, out of); articulate, leave, spread out, stand out, move on, abandon, choose (one), decide, part, cut, divide, distribute, arrange, set out, pass on, pass through, hang down, hang from (s, ed, ing); (to be) distinct, different, diverse, diversified, divided, separated, off, away (from), distant, apart (from), without; pendant, dependent, dispersed, independent (of); (a, the) arising, rearising, departure, removal, distinction, divergence, division, separation, distance, difference (from); radiance, display, fire, flame, firelight, highlight; net; vis a vis each other; a bird, esp. an oriole (colorful contrast); figure ground relationships; the root of the English word "existence" is to stand out or stand forth; "When Li birds sing, silk worms grow" Shuowen
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Something cool I found in a book (Oracle Bone Collections In the United States, 1976, Hung-hsiang Chou) It has some 700 rubbings of scapulae and tortoise shells. This is the only one I found with the archaic character for guang.
