Dream = Hexagram 19

[ravenstar]

Hello everyone, I'm very new to this site and to the I Ching. I've been very indecisive about posting....should I, shouldn't I.....oh........

Uhm, I had a dream that I was with child. The little hands and feet were visibly pushing through my abdomenal wall. I'd take a gander the fetus was anywhere from 4 -6 months. My doctor was there asking me if I'd like him to induce labor. Shocked! I said no, fearing it wouldn't survive....I wanted to keep it, till it naturally arrived.

I did a quick I Ching reading and received Hexagram 19 Lin- Approaching.

Is this hexagram and dream pointing to something that is developing, growing, something I could persevere at.....or is this wishful thinking?

Should I have let the doctor induce or was I right in letting it develop naturally within the womb?

How do I interpret the dream with 19?

I appreciate your comments.

Thankyou
ravenstar

 

[willowfox]

Well, hex 19 does indeed suggest a time of growth for you, where your affairs prosper but of course you must supply the necessary effort for a successful outcome. This hex does warn you that after "8 months" things will start to go wrong, ie. after a period of time your affairs will start to go awry.
To be pregnant suggests that something is growing, and as it is a dream, it could signify business, home life or whatever but the doctor tried to end the pregnancy early 4-6 months because something is warning you that to prolong in whatever enterprise that you are in will probably lead to some kind of failure.
So, there you go, you think about this and see how it applies to your life.

 

[bruce_g]

Hi and welcome, Ravenstar. Glad you decided to jump in the pool.

I tend to agree with Willowfox. Something that stands out is “The little hands and feet were visibly pushing through my abdominal wall.” That’s one developed 5 month old you’re carrying there! This kid is pushing to get out. The doctor asked if you wanted to “induce labor”, which means to stimulate the birthing process.

Perhaps you’re a bit reluctant or timid to bring this whatever-it-is from out of you, just as you were to posting your question. Hmm, wonder if there’s a connection? Are you coming out?

 

[ravenstar]

Thankyou for your welcome and advice willowfox and bruce_g.

Yes, I am a procrastinator. There is something moving within, creatively as well as my work situation and I am very timid and undecisive how to proceed. But I've been feeling a very strong call to bring out what's been stirring inside. Both of you and the doctor are telling me to release what's being held in and 'take the plunge'.

I also heed your warning of this symbol. How do I pierce the barrier and put things into action? What am I clinging to that no longer serves my purpose? New questions, new answers.

I'm learning and discovering the I Ching is an incredible tool. It definitely is taking me deep into the heart of the matter. This site is very informative and friendly. Thank you.

ravenstar

 

[mudpie]

I tend in the other direction here. the doctor wants to induce labor, but your own voice was saying to let it keep growing to maturity, let it come full-term. There might be a temptation to doctor the situation, but would it be premature? Yes, the hands and feet are formed and very eager to live, a good sign, however there could be more development needed .. as indicated by your shock...you want it to survive once it is born! BUT YES, something is definitely forming, I would make preparations, nurture the devlopment.

 

[bruce_g]

The reason that I don't agree with Listener is due to consideration of 19, which to use Bradford's title is: Taking Charge.

But then I guess it could be argued: who takes charge, the doctor or the mother?

There is the third option of the baby taking charge. Based on how he/she/it is behaving so far, that seems a given.

 

[laylab]

Hi Ravenstar,

The fact that the little hands and feet of the child were "pushing to get out" also really speak to me. I think this means it is time for you allow that, and the doctor in your dream probably knew that inducing would be what was best for you, but only asked because he was aware that once the "child" is out, the "child" must be nurtured. And if the doctor represents another, part of you, a care-giver or healer representative of your psyche, then he also knew that you may not be ready. So he was looking after the interest of the "child" as well.

Does this make any sense?

In other words, the child could represent a project or something new that could not only provide nourishment for you, but YOU must nurture the project as well.

 

[Trojina]

Yes the doctor is created by you also so must represent the part that wants to move things along. I think the dream just represents a conflict in you of whether to give birth to this thing now or not. It doesn't tell you whats best - that choice is up to you.

Some therapists would have you act out the role of the doctor, your self and the baby - you know you would speak from the drs point of view , then the babys and then yours - maybe putting yourself in a different place or chair for each role to get a perspective on what parts of you these characters represent.

This never worked for me however, but its just an idea

 

[ravenstar]

From listener

I tend in the other direction here. the doctor wants to induce labor, but your own voice was saying to let it keep growing to maturity, let it come full-term. There might be a temptation to doctor the situation, but would it be premature? Yes, the hands and feet are formed and very eager to live, a good sign, however there could be more development needed .. as indicated by your shock...you want it to survive once it is born! BUT YES, something is definitely forming, I would make preparations, nurture the devlopment.

Interesting thoughts listener. Yes, I want it to survive buy my own self confidence which could be the child needs to be pushed through the birth channel. It could be, this child pressing for release too soon. But if I wait too long.....

From bruce_g

The reason that I don't agree with Listener is due to consideration of 19, which to use Bradford's title is: Taking Charge.

Ohh this speaks volumes to me. My self esteem is in need of development, which I'm struggling to oork on. It has been proven that sounds, vibrations and feelings can be felt by an unborn child. Combining what both of you have said, if I let the child develop a 'little' further, allow the lungs especially to mature (life force) it's chance of survival will be maximized.

From laylab

The fact that the little hands and feet of the child were "pushing to get out" also really speak to me. I think this means it is time for you allow that, and the doctor in your dream probably knew that inducing would be what was best for you, but only asked because he was aware that once the "child" is out, the "child" must be nurtured. And if the doctor represents another, part of you, a care-giver or healer representative of your psyche, then he also knew that you may not be ready. So he was looking after the interest of the "child" as well.

Oh boy! Yikes! This speaks volumes too! I mean our lives totally change once a child (idea) is born. No only must we nurture it but we can feel awkward, out of our comfort zone (a big one for me)!!

I have only one I Ching book at present. "The Complete I Ching" by Alfred Huang.....he talks of the solid lines on the bottom of hexagram 19 and of the the four above..."They are growing and expanding, suggesting a state where one is advancing, preparing oneself to be great, a Leader".

IS advancing.....could this be a clue? What if the doctor and/or myself, are jumping to conclusions.....when the environment and preparation for this child are still in the making?

From trojan...

Yes the doctor is created by you also so must represent the part that wants to move things along. I think the dream just represents a conflict in you of whether to give birth to this thing now or not. It doesn't tell you whats best - that choice is up to you.

Some therapists would have you act out the role of the doctor, your self and the baby - you know you would speak from the drs point of view , then the babys and then yours - maybe putting yourself in a different place or chair for each role to get a perspective on what parts of you these characters represent.

This never worked for me however, but its just an idea

The choice is up to me! I know of one therapy you speak of here...Gestalt.

I will try to have a conversation with this doctor in my dream and try to understand his thoughts and concerns, which are as you say also mine. But as bruce_g said, it is "I" who must take charge. I've never been one to allow a doctor to take charge of my life. In fact in some cases there has been a clouds of mistrust between them and me. So, I do need to examine this logically and intuitively a bit further.

Thank you all!! Your comments and suggestions have been very helpful!

ravenstar

 

[mudpie]

I guess the BIG question is : what exactly is the "baby" that has hands and legs. ?

On a very superficial level, the dream could be about your hesitancy to post on clarity! you want to jump in and particpate (hands and feet) but another part of you was saying wait before you speak, afraid your ideas arent formed fully yet! IN Which case, "your voice" was your fear, and the doctor was a helpful voice telling you to take the plunge! Actually it could be about THAT, and ALSO about a goal in your life in general.

sometimes dreams , and the YI, speak to little dramas as well as to the big questions.....and sometimes the little dramas are reflecting the bigger issues.

Either way, or in any case, both the dream and the reading are very positive for going forward, for having something worthwhile to offer and to "birth" ... eventually or right now .