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Thus the superior man turns his attention to himselfAnd molds his character.
Were you thinking of the reading's trigrams when you wrote this? As its outer world is swirling clouds all the way through, while the inner world is qian-with-gen. Which, if you try to look at trigrams in the same way you would their hexagrams, might be 'heaven revealing the mountain' or 'heaven as seen from the mountain'. There's the energy child, and also plenty of strata of resting earth.
Also limits - mountain means stopping place, natural boundary and hence also gateway. But looking at those amazingly vertical Chinese mountains, you can see the meaning 'this is your limit; your normal life stops here.'
This is a dream - ah, you are reminding me of Ravi Walsh, who talks about treating waking life and dream as extensions of one another, being just as open to symbol in either. His response when someone asked about interpreting dreams was along the lines of 'don't stop interpreting just because you woke up'. (This is all in Into the Flow of Change, which I will link to in Friends' Notes - hopefully later today.)
Would you like to say more about how you see 39? That part hasn't quite come together for me yet. Thinking of the 'Pace of Yu' limping to and fro across the boundaries seems fruitful...
(Thank you for finding the thread, by the way. Because I tagged it as a reading in the blog, the system has copied it to SR, where it's liable to disappear under another mountain.)
Love that. The word normal sounds appropriately humorous.Also limits - mountain means stopping place, natural boundary and hence also gateway. But looking at those amazingly vertical Chinese mountains, you can see the meaning 'this is your limit; your normal life stops here.'
So now I’m not sure whether 39′s turnaround happens inside the dream or outside it
what I liked about this reading is that feeling of being in a 'pause' state but still things happen. Both hexes have that in common. Maybe glossing over some difficulties - new or older- but in my eyes those days I feel 39 is not being out the dao , but how dao - or the river - is formed...
Yes, I agree the turnaround - or carving the course of the river - is central to 39. Implicit in the old text (not sw, ne, 180 degrees away) and the hints at Yu vs his father, and explicit in the Image.Not specifically the trigrams, but Limping has never felt right to me for 39. I think LiSe uses it too... yes, cold feet, limping. I think, if I am limping I am still moving forward, and 39 is thrown back upon itself: the noble one reverses his being. It's a turning around, or to use a biblical likeness, you repent (which simply means to turn around). In terms of character building, you self-reflect. It's all the same backward looking and movement, as I experience it...
Ah! I like it!...I think the turnaround is the playback of the dream itself.
.It's our feedback on a subconscious level. Once in awhile a revolutionary dream occurs, usually along with real life revolutionary changes. They belong in their own category of dreams, containing archetypes in big visions and dreams. I personally think of them as crossroad dreams. They are the big 39s. But even our every night or cyclic dreams can have roots extend beneath the surface. Not all dreams are junk mail or last night's pepperoni pizza. I think 39 is a perfect explanation of what is the function of dreams?
Well... we do have kan as outer trigram all the way through. Probably a full wash and spin cycle .lisa said:apparently they have determined that during sleep our brains are literally washed, to flush out "neurotoxic waste products." The interstitial spaces in our brains open more widely during sleep, allowing a "lymph-like system" more room to slosh around in there.
But you wouldn't turn unless you were faced with a storm over a mountain and forced to stop, I think. My reading-conversations with 39 in tend to boil down to:
'Oh no, this heroic journey up this mountain in the teeth of the wind and rain all on my own is so hard! How can I go on?'
'Well, you could try turning round and going to join the people in those fields down there, where you might get something useful done.'
Exactly. For me, it's been the most frightening dreams that held the cart of daemons, that were the most abundantly rich and memorable. How you deal with fear during a dream is something worth noting. It can revolutionize you. Dangerous dreams are there to teach, remember?..and whether the dream is a nice comforting one or a nightmare , at the end of the day there is a felt feeling of nourishment that makes that river stronger to overcome the 39 challenges
Well... we do have kan as outer trigram all the way through. Probably a full wash and spin cycle .
Care to teach and elaborate on Yu and his father, for we western types.Yes, I agree the turnaround - or carving the course of the river - is central to 39. Implicit in the old text (not sw, ne, 180 degrees away) and the hints at Yu vs his father, and explicit in the Image.
I was standing on the wing of an airplane, flying at least 3000 ft high (1 km), and then I just jumped off.
I was falling down pretty fast, looking on the green field beneath me, then i got scared 'uh-oh' but i kept watching the dream, i was strapped in the seat of a wonderful cinema which had gravity effect system installed.
3.. 2.. 1.. and then BAM! I hit the ground, I felt the pain for a sec, and then ' I'm alive!! Woww!!! Let's do this again! '. I jump back 10 seconds in time, and then BAM! I hit the ground again, and again, and again! I felt like God.
They were my daemons, and my diamonds (29), because what they taught me was worth more than both. Crossroad dreams.
I had a go at telling the story here:Care to teach and elaborate on Yu and his father, for we western types.
Why do we dream, Yi? (What are dreams for?)
Hexagram 5, Waiting
The reasons for needing sleep aren't totally understood, as far as I know. There's theories but they aren't watertight. I recall years ago reading that our ancestors, cavemen, slept because there was nothing else to do....it was almost a survival mechanism, close down keep out of harms way, wait for daylight. Well it was something like that. Doesn't sound a very feasible theory the way I tell it but there is somewhere a theory of sleep as waiting.
I asked Yi,
‘Why do we dream?’
yes, or because of the natural selection, those stayed inside/sleep survived.
about dreams, some say ( will find that theory and post it later) that we "see" random images - remainder or our waking life and because our propensity to create narratives we "create" dreams and this is why many dream are surreal
some say that animal are "dreaming" too ( they use another word tho)... so if that is true, then how that answer would apply to animals in general ( humans and non-humans)
Or, when we’re making progress outwardly through flexible engagement (6.5), dreaming rehearses small words on the changing sands so there will be good fortune in the end.
Dreaming must consolidate learning as the information is processed and rehearsed. How that relates to the reading I'm not so sure....except in waiting one doesn't do nothing...we sort of 'tick over' like an engine on idle. Play is a form of rehearsal and in hex 5 we are advised to have play time, relax and so on in preparation for the more arduous times to come (hex 39) perhaps.
ah yes checked back, rehearsal was referred to here
That reminds me of something from Robert Moss - I've started devouring his material on dreams and signs. He has many stories of very ordinary, undramatic precognitive dreams, carrying warnings like, 'The air conditioning in the lecture theatre will be too loud'. He suggests that the ability to dream the 'future' is an ordinary, evolved human ability, useful for telling where the sabre-toothed tigers will be. Life (let alone sleeping!) in a world of large predators would not be safe without the dream-self on guard.yes, or because of the natural selection, those stayed inside/sleep survived.
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