Get Hex 49. Please Kindly Help

[calfin]

Dear friends,

I am in the middle situation between choosing between A or B. I got hex 49 for this question :

My mother undergo cancer therapy in German. The doctor prescribed her a chemo drug named Endoxon 50mg to be taken 2x a day. Soon after taking the new pills twice, the negative side effects hit. She felts very inconvenience. So we stop, but the doctor recommended to continue take the pills. For the whole day she has nausea, vomit and loss of appetite. This is the worst experience she has ever had since she was diagnosed for the illness. Let me know if she should stop this chemo pill and just continue with the older one named tarceva.

Please kindly help how to correctly interpret the hex 49 for this question (Revolution). Forget to see if there are changing lines or not. Thank you very much for the help.

Calfin

 

[rosada]

I interprete 49 to mean your mother should decide for herself whether she will continue with the medication - and that you must respect her decision.

Rosada

 

[calfin]

Hi Rosada,

Thank you for your help. So far she is just a follower and doesn't really know about her real illness. So most of the treatment is decided by her children. Her condition is quite okay until the new medicine is prescribed. Should I let her decide base on hex 49 ? Thanks

 

[dragona]

Hello,it would be good to make sure of the actual cast- see about the changing lines.
Why was that medication changed? There must had been medical reasons so the body is reacting to the change and only the doctors can adjust the dosage or help her out with it.
If you cannot be sure of the lines from the first cast, maybe you could ask what is the reason your mother is having such a bad reaction to the drug?

 

[hopex]

calfin I know when I am upset I do not fully get the casting

in this case without the lines it could mean that a radical change
has happened - reaction to drug - that is acceptable
OR
that your Mother needs brand new medication

I believe asking her is a very good point - her instinct will know

Finally I would pose the question again in a clear form and post what
you get back here precisely......

or what is your gut response to 49 - revolution ?

 

[calfin]

Dear dragona & hopex and friends,

I am still a newbie to I-ching, although I know "a lot" about Chinese Metaphysics stuff. The doctor commended a new drug with the assumption that it has lighter negative side effect compare with the old one. But since everyone has her individual metabolism, my mom can't tolerate the side effect caused by the new pill. As a matter of fact, her body has better toleration with the old one although it also gives painful side effects.

If I let her decide, there is no doubt she will choose the old pill. And if you let me decide, as a sensible child, I will also choose the old one. But is this what the I-Ching want ? To see and let her suffer, how can we know that the new pills will bring better outcome than the old pill ? She has been taking the old pill since 4 months ago and everything seems passable. The doctor himself can't give any guarantee.

What is this 49 "revolution" really apply ? I myself have alternative treatment plan which is different than just the pills treatment above.

Thank you friends for helping.

Calfin

 

[anon]

This is what I get from this reading.

It seems to me like your mother is very ill and there is not much choice but to go with this extreme route.

The internal revolution that this medicine is causing her is extremely necessary.


I'm so sorry that you are going through this. It is very hard to see a loved one hurt so much. Trust your doctors and your instincts. You are all doing the best you can. Best wishes to you and your family. I will be praying that it all gets resolved in a favorable way to all involved.

 

[calfin]

This is what I get from this reading.

It seems to me like your mother is very ill and there is not much choice but to go with this extreme route.

The internal revolution that this medicine is causing her is extremely necessary.

I'm so sorry that you are going through this. It is very hard to see a loved one hurt so much. Trust your doctors and your instincts. You are all doing the best you can. Best wishes to you and your family. I will be praying that it all gets resolved in a favorable way to all involved.

Hi Anon. Thank you for your concern.

So the revolution is :

1. Accepting the new drug prescribed by the doctor as the replacement for the old ? (Don't know if this can be called revolution as these two drugs are quite similiar only different brand)
Or
2. Refuse to take the new drug and bravely continue stick to the old one ?
Or
3. Ignoring all the drugs and seeking for another alternative treatment which I already have in mind ?

Thank you once again.

 

[rodaki]

hi calfin,

this all sounds like you've been caught between a rock and a hard place . . I understand the anxiety and how difficult these decisions are but please keep in mind there's only so far we can rely on a Yi reading when medical decisions are at stake . . If asking the Yi gives you some sense of inner focus or de-cluttering your mind and releasing stress, I'd suggest you ask for each particular choice at hand separately (maybe sth like 'how would _ help/influence her health/healing) and maybe a question on what would be the best approach you can take in all of this and still, use the answers mostly as an addendum to everything else your logic and instincts tell you . .


wishing you best of luck!

 

[anon]

Well this particular reading to me sounds like: This particular drug is very necessary... That the revolution it is causing is in fact necessary.... Is it a stronger dose? Or is it known for being a heavier treatment? Or is this one drug known for causing these side effects???

Rodaki is absolutely right. Cast a reading for each alternative and let's all study them well so that you can make the best choice along with your doctors for your mother.

Please let us know if you need any more help. I will be praying for you and your loved ones.

 

[calfin]

Dear rodaki dan anon,

As your suggestion, I focus my question and ask I-ching again. The result is 49 to 47. Please kindly help (again).

http://www.onlineclarity.co.uk/free...+would+endoxan+help+healing+my+mom's+cancer+?

"How would endoxan help healing my mom's cancer ?"

Your reading resulted in the following hexagrams:
49 changing to 47

Hexagram 49, Radical Change


Key Questions

How can you break the mould?
How must the form change to express the essence?
Oracle

‘Radical change.
On your own day, there is truth and confidence.
From the source, creating success, constancy bears fruit.
Regrets vanish.’

It is time for transformation. The old Chinese character for ‘Radical Change’, which also means ‘leather’, shows an animal hide: this is change like a shaman’s, putting on a new skin to change your identity. And it is also revolutionary change: this hexagram marks the day when the Zhou people and their allies marched out to meet the armies of the corrupt Shang dynasty, and defeated them. You change the governing principle, and bring about renewal.

In the moment of change, there is truth – sincerity and a sure knowledge. Then the power of the whole unfolding creative process, from the source through to fruition and fulfilment, can enter here and change the world. Naturally regrets vanish, along with the past to which they belong. The new time is coming.
Image

‘In the centre of the lake there is fire: Radical Change.
A noble one calculates the heavenly signs and clarifies the seasons.’
Sequence

Radical Change follows from Hexagram 48, the Well:
‘The way of the Well does not allow things not to change radically.’
Pair

Radical Change forms a pair with Hexagram 50, the Vessel:
‘Radical Change puts away the old; the Vessel grasps renewal.’
Changing Lines
Line 1

‘Bound with yellow rawhide.’
Line 2

‘Your own day, so make radical change
And set out to bring order: good fortune, no mistake.’
Line 3

‘Setting out to bring order means a pitfall,
Constancy means danger.
As words of radical change draw near three times,
There is truth and confidence.’

Hexagram 47, Confined


Key Questions

What if you could only rely on yourself?
Who are you, when you are alone?
Oracle

‘Confined, creating success.
Constancy of a great person, good fortune.
Not a mistake.
There are words, not trusted.’

The Chinese character for ‘Confined’ or ‘oppressed’ shows a tree completely encircled by walls: an image of entrapment and isolation. You are cut off, and cannot reach out to others. The great person finds good fortune in constancy to an inner ideal. This is the supreme test of character: whether you can hold to your purpose when there is no encouragement, no confirmation from outside, but only your own inner resources. The lack of outward signs of progress does not mean that you are wrong, or that the world is wrong. Rather than resenting the walls, concentrate on the life and growth within them.

Do not place too much value on words: they will not provide you with a way out – neither conversation, nor argument, nor your own reasoning and theorizing. Words alone are only circulating ideas; they lack the real, personal connection that would make them trustworthy.
Image

‘Lake without water: Confined.
A noble one carries out the mandate, fulfils her aspiration.’
Sequence

Being Confined follows from Hexagram 46, Pushing Upward:
‘Pushing upward and not reaching an end is naturally Confining.’
Pair

Confined forms a pair with Hexagram 48, the Well:
‘The Well is wholly connected; Confined means meeting together.’

 

[anon]

Sorry calfin my iPad keeps freezing on me.

Well here is my opinion:

You see where it says:

Radical change
On your own day, there is truth and confidence.
From the source, creating success, constancy bears fruit.

I interpret this to refer to the endoxan. .... Meaning that it will ( or has ) created a major (radical) change.

On your own day, there is truth and confidence..... To refer to the research that you are doing about the drug.... Maybe you will get to understand why it is needed and you will gain confidence in the treatment (though not easy. It might be necessary)

From the source, creating success, constancy bears fruit..... I take this to mean that continuing with this particular drug will have success. .... Constancy bears fruit. ...to mean do not discontinue. It will pay off in the end.

 

[anon]

The first two lines of the hex seem to agree with the above explanation. ....to continue the treatment. No mistake.

Then Line 3

‘Setting out to bring order means a pitfall,
Constancy means danger.
As words of radical change draw near three times,
There is truth and confidence.’

I personally take this to mean. That setting out to bring order.... Talks about venturing out to alternative treatments. Means pitfall. Constantly changing treatment means danger.

Again as you study this new drug and discuss it with your doctors that eventually you will gain confidence that this is the best alternative!

I am so sorry that you are going through this. I've already been through it one too many times. And I can honestly tell you there is hope!

 

[anon]

And of course we all know that 47 is a horrible oppressive difficult situation. You either feel this way. Or the situation itself is as described.

Best of luck. And please people lets keep helping calfi through this!

Prayers.

 

[calfin]

Hi anon,

Thank you so much for your prompt help.

Actually I was surprised to get hex 49 again. You are right, I should discuss it further with the doctor. The Iching tells me to continue with the new drug but people sometimes get suffer from being too smart From rational point of view, continuing the new pill make her difficult to take the needed vitamins and supplements since the pill give her nausea feeling.

For this reason, I cast for another reading :

http://www.onlineclarity.co.uk/free...+mom+and+leave+the+endoxan/tarceva+all+behind

The question :
I plan to seek treatment from Budwig/ Gerson for my mom and leave the endoxan/tarceva all behind.

Your reading resulted in the following hexagrams:
37 changing to 3

Please kindly help me again.

Sincerely,

Calfin

 

[rodaki]

Calfin,

In the past I have used Yi to make queries about the best possible treatment for my sister's health issue and the experience back then showed me that answers like this can usually go both ways . . I know there are members here that use medical I Ching books or know of other methods, yet personally I know very little of this. Maybe it wasn't clear on my previous post but it's my personal belief that Yi's answers can offer more help as a way to focus our thought and make our own decision rather than offering the answers . .

Having said so, I think this is what I see reflected in your reading, Calfin . . 49, in your own day, you will be believed is about a slow process of radical change or revitalization process, it's where we renew our individual sense of power and the lines show the way to make it work:
line 1: there's itching and discomfort, something changes or must do so, yet what?
line 2: decisive action is needed but the actual results can only be predicted so far
line 3: this is where you lay your options on the table and take time to consider and discuss every case with everyone involved

then you can take the decision that seems right to you to overturn the sense of helplessness (47)


I know this might not be what you expected to listen, but I hope it helps you to find your own way to move through your difficult times

 

[hopex]

Dear Calfin
i agree with all the above

please may I ask are you casting in the right way
we are assuming you got 49 unchanging - that is with no
changing lines.

please make sure you are calm when you do the casting -
and The Yi is only an aid to clearing your own thoughts -
often in my experience confirming what you already know

as it stands 49 could mean the new drug is radically shaking up
the illness within - in some medications if there is a dramatic
aversion effect in the beginning Doctors believe it will work better
in the end.

your Mothers comfort no doubt your main concern

49 may mean going to the Doctor and saying there must be a
complete change of tactic in some way. So make sure you
cast and take note of all changing lines in a relaxed state and
voice your concern to the Doctor as soon as possible - these are
merely suggestions - I pray you are guided to the right thing for you
and your Mum:bows:

 

[calfin]

Hi anon, hopex, rodaki and friends,

Thank you all for your wishes and support. I am really grateful.

Sincerely,

Calfin

 

[meng]

Sometimes a revolution could simply be an adjustment of medication. Coming up with a renewed approach or regiment.

Yijing and health matters, particularly if serious, even life and death itself, seem strangely transparent from Yi's view, based on responses; possibly, I thought, Yi has no direct experience with illness or pain, other than a few thousand years of listening to the constant whines of we who come to it for answers.

 

[dragona]

Dear dragona & hopex and friends,

I am still a newbie to I-ching, although I know "a lot" about Chinese Metaphysics stuff. The doctor commended a new drug with the assumption that it has lighter negative side effect compare with the old one. But since everyone has her individual metabolism, my mom can't tolerate the side effect caused by the new pill. As a matter of fact, her body has better toleration with the old one although it also gives painful side effects.
She has been taking the old pill since 4 months ago and everything seems passable. The doctor himself can't give any guarantee.

What is this 49 "revolution" really apply ? I myself have alternative treatment plan which is different than just the pills treatment above.

Thank you friends for helping.

Calfin

I can`t seem to understand, sorry...but I understood this as:
- old pill was doing its job but the doctor wanted to improve on side effects with a new one
- a new one is not working to that effect, as side effects are not diminishing, but increasing
and Yi says it is hex 49, Revolution..so why is revolution a good thing?
It teaches us something, even if we don`t like the lesson learned. Perhaps it is simply showing that the new drug is not good as the body is struggling with it.
However, sometimes there is a minimum time course to determent if side effects are worth the main aim of the drug, diminishing cancer. Can she wait it out?

For the alternative method you casted 37.3,6 into 3
It would be a new course, a new beginning that would need restructuring of old ways, way of living, perhaps a diet? I don`t think it will be met with an overall approval. The line speaks of needed discipline and severity of the matter.
In the last analysis, order within the family depends on the character of the master of the house. If he cultivates his personality so that it works impressively through the force of inner truth, all goes well with the family. In a ruling position one must of his own accord assume responsibilityW.
Somebody have to step up while implementing the therapy, maintain the discipline..or it relates to your mother, she should be made understood what the treatment is all about.

Sorry if I am confusing you but perhaps the revolution is leading towards alternative method.

 

[hopex]

Calfin sorry for previous response - I see you cast again
49 > 47 - thats the radical change within a confined situation IMO

i feel the dramatic change is the one you asked about budwig/gerson v
endoxan looks like the way out 37 > 3

someone has to take charge and I am sure your Mother will believe you
have the best instinct - my Mother begged me to take her off a certain
medication - it came out in the press it was severely depressant

I think carry the mantle and put your Mothers' comfort first - you best know
what that is

3 implies you will be starting all over again - but then thats what you get after
revolutions. Be well

 

[bradford]

Just a point of clarification - the word radical doesn't necessarily mean sudden, dramatic or intense. Etymologically it means "from the root." It's change that comes from the bottom of things.
If things have been disjointed or out of place for a long time they can snap quickly back into place, like an earthquake relieving pent up pressure on a fault line. Or like the collapse of a tyrannical regime. But just as often it's just as gentle a revolution as the revolving of the seasons.

 

[anon]

How is your mother doing?