Good Question!

[rosada]

We've been having a discussion over in the moderation forum (log on and go to "Open Space" and it's at the top) about questions posted here in Shared Readings. There's a feeling folks would like to try their divining skills on subjects other than romance.

So I'm going to ask I Ching "what would be a good question for us to work on as a group?"
I'll be right back.

rosada

 

[rosada]

Okay, What would be a good question for us to ask the I Ching?

I received 37.3.4 - 25.

Hmmm... 37. 3, tempers flaring up in the family, woman and children dally laughing, humiliation. That sounds like what the griping was about over on the moderation thread - people asking trivial questions, responders feeling unappreciated.

37.4 the treasure of the house, great good fortune. Gosh, sounds like when the family at onlineclarity is in good order our group mind will be a treasure.

25. Innocence. I think Hilary's book says 25 poses the question, What is your responsibility?

This all leads me to interpret the answer as,
Ask not what the I Ching family can do for me, ask what I can do for the family.
Which I'm seeing as meaning not to stress about what the questions are, but to answer what I can as best I can. Hmm..maybe when I've shown I can answer the "he-mail" questions (as in, when will he email me?), I'll be ready for something more exotic.

Anyway, that was interesting for me. If anyone else cares to interpret this response that would be cool. Meanwhile, I do think it would be good if we could harness our group knowingness for questions on a variety of topics. Global warming? Population control? Death and taxes?

-rosada

 

[rodaki]

Okay, What would be a good question for us to ask the I Ching?

I received 37.3.4 - 25.

. .

It reminds me of a saying we have (slightly paraphrased here):
'There ain't no good or bad questions, there are only good or bad ways of understanding the answers! . .'
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(thanks for posting this Rosada)

 

[goddessliss]

Hi Rosada.
Well I'm not going to try and interpret but I would just like to have my say but actually can't find the discussion on this in Open Space.

Personally I have found whether my question have been about romance or other I have always, always appreciated the interpretations and insights given to me by others.
Interestingly enough yesterday I was reading a thread I posted just over 12 months ago that I just happened across when searching for help with another question, where I didn't feel that my life was worth living anymore. Well, tears welled up not only because it was reminder of how I was twelve months ago but because of the kindness shown to my by you guys on this site.
So I get what your saying about using your skills to divine something more substantial(for want of a better word) so maybe we should just have a space for relationship/romantic questions and then one doesn't have to 'sift' through to get to something challenging.
Yes more work for Hilary initially but she knows we love her!

have a fun day/evening Liss xx

 

[Trojina]

The thread Rosada mentions is not in Open Space but in 'Moderation' here http://www.onlineclarity.co.uk/friends/showthread.php?p=135484

BTW don't take it personally Melissa I don't think its aimed at you or anyone in particular....just general

 

[Trojina]

Okay, What would be a good question for us to ask the I Ching?

I received 37.3.4 - 25.

Hmmm... 37. 3, tempers flaring up in the family, woman and children dally laughing, humiliation. That sounds like what the griping was about over on the moderation thread - people asking trivial questions, responders feeling unappreciated.
37.4 the treasure of the house, great good fortune. Gosh, sounds like when the family at onlineclarity is in good order our group mind will be a treasure.

25. Innocence. I think Hilary's book says 25 poses the question, What is your responsibility?

-rosada

Rosada personally I feel comments like the above are better in the Moderation area because you are talking about your own POV , your perceptions, about things others said in Moderation here, in Shared Readings, so thats confusing IMO.

 

[goddessliss]

Thks trojan - no I didn't take it personally at all - I'm too egotistical to think it could be aimed at me.
I just wanted to reassure the ones who are frustrated about this matter that their opinions etc. are extremely valued - well at least by me anyway xx

 

[pocossin]

What would be a good question for us to work on as a group?
37.3.4 > 25

25 The Image

Under heaven thunder rolls:
All things attain the natural state of innocence.
Thus the kings of old,
Rich in virtue, and in harmony with the time,
Fostered and nourished all beings.

Thunder under Heaven suggests to me a good question would be, What are the special powers of the mind in divination?

 

[rosada]

Wow! Absolutely.
Since this is to be a group experience, how about the next person to read this thread do the toss?

Who ever is reading this:
Tag, you're IT!

rosada

 

[angeleyes]

Wow!

I guess i was the "lucky" one.. Well here's the answer:

52.2.4>50

For some reason I have to say I find it exciting.. I am in a hurry though, have to go to work. So, I leave it here for the rest of you and I'll be back later today..

Interesting...

 

[bamboo]

wow. quite a response indeed

 

[rosada]

I'll take a crack at it...

52.2.4 > 50.

The diviner does not allow his thoughts to go beyond The Now.

The mind is always a bit in the past or a bit in the future but it does not exist when we are at one with The Now.

Man needs the ego, the mind, to be conscious of his individual viewpoint, so he cannot totally dissolve his mind, but he can keep it in check, he can hold his own view point while seeing those of others. He can use his mind to keep his heart at rest. This leads to eliminating egotistical drives. "Even though at this point one does not remain free from all the dangers of doubt and unrest, the frame of mind is not a mistake, as it leads ultimately to that other, higher level."

When one has been able to quiet the mind to the extent that the individual passions, hopes and fears are not disturbing the gazing pool aka. Caldron, then everything that is in The Moment can be seen.

So...
The purpose of the mind in divining is to calm the heart so the inner feeling is in a place of calm and neutrality so that one can receive a clear impression.

-rosada with thanks to Wilhelm.

 

[bamboo]

excellent Rosada!
I just love the whole gestalt of 52 to 50. for years, I had a little quote taped to a mirror in my office that read:
"A quiet mind is all you need." It is very true. and perhaps the I Ching is one way of quieting the "monkey mind" ....except that, in the beginning stages of practicing divination, the monkey mind still tries to over-analyze and confuse.....as portrayed in the complaints about the quick-click querents. When the mind is stilled, as you said Rosada, it becomes a pool for reflecting truth.
So this is such a perfect reading as the antidote to that kind of thing.
Thank you, Yi, for that. as always.

 

[angeleyes]

52.2.4>50...

I found that to be a rather inspirational answer.. The last couple of days I haven't had the time to sit and write about it but i've had so many thoughts and images coming and going and even now i find it hard to put it all in words.. But it's finally Saturday and i can have some quiet time so i'll give it a try!

So, 52 is about quieting the mind and keeping the passions still, so that one's whole being starting from the body ( yes, bamboo, that's gestalt indeed..) and extending to the heart can be in synch with what is happening Here and Now. And 50, to me has always been one of the most mystical and spiritual hexes.. It is where the human and the divine, the seen and the unseen blend into a transformation process. I like Wilhelm's comments on 50:

"The highest earthly values must be sacrificed to the divine. But the truly divine does not manifest itself apart from man."

And
"It is the same in human life; there is in man likewise a fate that lends power to his life. And if he succeeds in assigning the right place to life and to fate, thus bringing the two into harmony, he puts his fate on a firm footing. "

I don't really have anything new to say here. You both said it perfectly and in a much more organized way than me My thoughts are still scattered..

But i was thinking, to close the cycle, that if one's mind is indeed in that state of calmness and the ego keeps quiet for a while and if fear and expectation and anxiety are not in control, then maybe apart from a better understanding of the response one gets, there is also a good possibility that one can get in touch with the Real question behind the " He loves me, he loves me not " theme.. Speaking from personal experience here, whenever i do manage to ask from that calm and centered place, I find my questions to be about what i really need to know and the responses are always clear and meaningfull and take me one step forward in my personal transformation process..

Thank you for this thread!
Wishing us all "a quiet mind"..
A.:bows:

 

[ginnie]

Okay, What would be a good question for us to ask the I Ching?

I received 37.3.4 - 25.

To ask in all innocence: How can the diviners here see themselves as a group, stop the hostilities, and extend to each other fellowship, leading to prosperity?

I tossed on that and got: 53.1.3 > 3.

In the context of the current chaos [3], we see the hexagram of gradual development. 53.1: Trouble for which we are not to blame. 53.3: Need to take precautions for our mutual protection, including chastising those who harm the interests of the group.

 

[ginnie]

52.2.4 > 50.

Experiencing the sadness and worry of not being able to save other people. Stilling the whole self.

Unfortunately, it's true. We cannot save other people this way.