Having to remove the human emotion from decisions of practical importance.

[jerryd]

From my readings in the past there are very little in them which suggest strong intimate personal human designs. It appears to allow the reader free reign as to how much personal influence each line represents. Does anyone find this a problem?

 

[martin]

Could you elaborate Jerry? It's not clear to me what you are asking.

 

[jerryd]

I wil try Martin it is not easy to explain. As the method used here is ancient and all references are made by the individual questioner,(man) which I (presumed) defined earlier on as being a generic term. I now wounder if in fact it is? As the ancients were useing this method for prognostication and enlightenment for the Leaders and Kings and Mogles of the era. I then slid into a thought, how many women were accessing the Yi and was the MALE perspective of the Oricle a generic read for a majority and excluding a femine minority emotionally isolated from this perspective?

Did or does this scue any of the defineing Hexagrams to any degree? Or is this just my intellectual mastebation gone ary?

 

[dobro p]

The Yi consists of a variety of symbols. Each symbol can apply to a personal situation or to a group situation - it depends on the intention of the user and the question in their mind when they consult the oracle.

As for the sexism of some of the symbols: the society that produced this oracle was male-dominant, and the images the Yi uses reflect that male-dominant society in some cases. This isn't an endorsement of sexism though, if you take this approach: don't take the Yi literally; use it symbolically. That way, anybody can use it, since it isn't endorsing sexism, it's simply presenting what you'd call 'generic' meanings that can be applied by anyone to any situation. For example, Hex 54 talks about the 'marrying maiden' and uses various aspects of a young woman being married off to another family. This doesn't mean women should be married off to whoever their parents decide would make a good match - it means that when you draw this hexagram, you're in a situation where you're relatively powerless as you move into a new phase or stage of life. It's symbolic, not literal.

 

[yly2pg1]

Hi Jerry,

Yi is good at providing an objective perspective. That would help to clear the clouds, at least to provide a temporary psychological 'shelter' to hold on to.

Yi may not be that effective to filter out human emotions in the process of making a reading. One clue is that we will always notice some contradictory readings when our emotions are clouded and unsettled. A good rest and a calm mind is important for an accurate reading.

Emotion in Yi, i think it is not in the algoritm of the Yi originator, at least from my point of view. And I could be wrong.

 

[jerryd]

Both are good evaluations of my lack of insight and I will furthur my studies in this light.

Dobro I agree no literalism can be gleened from the symbolism unless individually you make it so. Your analogy of the Maiden is very good.

Yly2, I am embarking on just the rest you are now suggesting, To you both I have just posted another request one for a reading on the Friends Line please feel free to have a go at it.

Thank you and have a great New Year. :>)

 

[calumet]

Why would you want to do a reading "free" of emotion?

NOTE TO MALES: Emotions are a valuable and important source of information. You don't want to let them run the show, but you don't want to let reason run the show, either. If you can get emotion and reason working in tandem, you've got the best of both worlds.

 

[jerryd]

Just a comment on Emotional feelings, thay are personal and just because thay are (EMOTIONS) does not mean thay carry the same feelings from one person to the next. Some feelings make me elevated while the same feelings in the person next to me make them uncomfortable. A sterile analysis removing emotion allows a questioner free slather to bring their own feeling into the equasion. I THINK? Male or Female, as thay do think differently

 

[calumet]

I understand what you're saying, Jerry, and you're right. But still I disagree that emotions are expendable or undesirable. It's my belief and experience that you need both pieces--emotion and reason. In fact, I don't see how, as a human being, you can AVOID emotions in anything, be it a "purely practical" reading, a ride on the bus, or a roll in the hay. Of course, it's quite possible to be unaware of the emotional component of your cognitions, but I don't think such unawareness is desirable, again because it causes you to miss important information. When it comes to emotions, you can run but you can't hide, so you might as well make use of them. Unfortunately it IS possible to react with pure emotion, free of reason. That's usually a mistake as well.

 

[calumet]

None of the above is to say that you need to emote all over the place if you're doing a reading for someone. You might have good reason not to let the person you're reading for know your emotional response. However, YOU need to know your emotional response. In other words, you don't necessarily have to say something like, "Gosh, this reading I did for you makes me SO sad!" But if in fact the reading makes you feel sad, that is important information and I would say you're doing the person a disservice if you aren't aware of it. Whether and how you pass along information about your emotions would depend on the situation.

 

[jerryd]

Calumet, I could not agree with you more. I perhaps misled you a bit as I did not mention useing commonsense to filter emotions and agree you can incert your feelings if you are comfortable doing so.The essence for me comes back to wheather the Hexagrams in a stand alone reading "without emotions" of their own, can apply to readings of both sexes? Are we as the conduit of Yi supplying our emotional input or the Yi transference? empathy or sympathy?

 

[jte]

Perhaps it's possible to go through life making (or trying to make) purely reason-based decisions - but would this really result in good decisions?

For many kinds of decisions, ignoring the emotional component would be a major mistake.

Marry the wealthy person instead of the one you really love? Take a job you detest just because it pays more or for logistical reasons? Those don't sound like smart choices to me...

- Jeff

 

[micheline]

In the same vein here, too much regard for the literal interpretation of the Yi results in stifling the myriad ways an oracle can convey messages to us. Intellectualism shuts many doors and imprisons one in a narrow room.

 

[jerryd]

Anyone who believes there is only one way to come to any conclusion may be nieve in lifes processes, I have never found excluding an alternative or evaluating an option before making a judgement is wrong. The reality of Tao's accepting duality as necessity leaves me no other choices. This aside just being dualistic by nature as a human, living in a society of contradictions brings me full circle, having to rationalize as best I can and apply interpertations to my readings which best fulfill what the Oracle brings to the readings.

 

[seeker]

I don't know if emotions affect your reading so much as your interpretation, the old seeing what you want to see. I have no doubt that I have been guilty of this many times over. For a while I thought perhaps my emotions did affect the answers, as it seemed like the only time I got abysmal was when I was depressed, but perhaps in those cases Yi was reflecting my feelings back to me instead of answering the questions, maybe a warning I was not in a good frame of mind to be casting. But the other night, I was rather melancholy and ready to give up all hope, and yet I got fairly positive readings. I did not see them that way at first though, I guess because of my mood. It took a couple the friends here to give me a different perspective. When I looked at the answers again, in a more objective, calmer state of mind, I realized they were not as dire as I thought they were. Although I know there are no guarantees, I was able to realize that my first impressions were colored by my mood at the time.

 

[yly2pg1]

"NOTE TO MALES: Emotions are a valuable and important source of information.
You don't want to let them run the show, but you don't want to let reason run the show, either.
If you can get emotion and reason working in tandem, you've got the best of both worlds."

"For many kinds of decisions, ignoring the emotional component would be a major mistake.
Marry the wealthy person instead of the one you really love? "


The process of divination is like two 'real' lovers 'taking oath' in a wedding ceremony,
sincerity counts.

 

[yly2pg1]

Making a reading is like connecting with a "source" which we may have developed a deep trust and love or
at least a certain degree of affinity. Sometimes, it is like going back to mother nature (or father nature?).

A baby who is crying for mummy, daddy or nanny may reflect a kind a natural response (an affection ?).
A response that is spontaneous, sincere, without much thought and reasoning.
A baby-nature, probably a better term, right?

 

[jerryd]

Yly2, a very estute point and in my case my first impressions are generally what I reflect upon and eventually accept, this is the case 80 to 90 % of the time for me. Is this intuitive or classed as something more esoteric?

 

[jerryd]

Seeker, Unless I am reading for my self which I do rarely, seeing what one wants to see is a bit difficult is it not? Perhaps as a woman (which I am making a giant guess here that you are) is this normal?