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The image you posted is wrongly labelled. What trashy website did you download that from (don't tell me it's this one )
Some eejit has drawn hexagram 49 and labelled it as 50.
So you got 49.2.3.6>10. That is 49 with lines 2,3 and 6 changing to 10.
Use the online tool here and the learning resources here as there are many rubbish I Ching sites with terrible advice on them and then people end up here for emergency treatment.
What was the website ? We know of a few bad ones but it always helps to know where people that come here have been misinformed from ?
So Hex 49 is the underlying answer and 10 is what I can expect?
The website I used was trustedtarot.com
I know what you mean about all these rubbish sites with poor interpretations. I'm glad I've found this place.
Do you think you could help me with the interpretation please? I'd really appreciate it. I've seen some good ideas on jamesdekorne.com (at least I think they're good). But not sure how to put it all together. Especially now that there are 2 hexagrams to consider.
If it is useful i could share more about the background of my situation too?
Heritage, I would suggest that you maybe start over with a new reading, using the free I Ching tool on this site:
Yes, that's it! Without knowing the numbers/lines of their (he, she, they's?) cast I don't think we can really know what the answer was (both the hexagrams and moving lines). I therefore thought it would be best to start over. D.why ? ... Oh hang on maybe you think that because if trash site couldn't even give her right hexagram name how can they be relied on to produce a hexagram at all ?
I didn't see the details of the lines when looking at it on my tablet, so I suppose if those are the correct lines, Heritage could go for it. But that's up to them as you say ...... I would take it as the picture shows which was 49.2.3.6>10 ... I guess it is to you whether to cast again heritage.
Hey Trojina & Freedda,
Thank you both for your replies. When I casted this reading I was in the right state of mind. At present, I'm surrounded by many distractions - very difficult to get space or time to breathe.
The reading I generated via that site (a shame the site got the labels wrong), I put a lot my energy into.
So I think maybe it is ideal to use this cast? I also don't want to keep making new hexagrams and end up confusing myself any further.
If it's okay with you guys can we read this cast?
Shall I make a new thread or can we discuss in here?
EDIT (Adding what my query was):
Question: Will my approach regarding pursuing X (girl of interest) be successful - culminate in girlfriend?
In late November, I was overseas for work. Met a girl, got to know her over the phone and then meet her the next week. We had back to back dates which went great. She agreed at the end of the first date, that she'd like to be in a relationship with me. Second date, we had an excellent time, she was laughing, responding well, but right at the end I was too intense (rushed holding her hand - made a joke she was nervous because her hand was sweating). - Silly I know.
She had wanted to go slow and told me. Because of the age difference, I suppose, I mistakenly talked about future priorities etc.
Nevertheless we had no contact till she told me toward the end of that week "sorry H, not ready to talk yet".
Foolish as I am (was too emotional as I'd fallen hard), I spam texted her the next week. She blocked me on chat! Fair enough.
My approach now, is to just give her space, no initiation of contact on my end.
I return to the country i met her in to live in late Feb. I am not sure what I will do at that time. Whether I reach out right away, or wait. I am hoping to be surprised by her contact.
Looking at both these hexagrams, in particular 10 -- it tells me i need to go really slow, and not try and rush things. The description of hex 10 -- walking on a tigers tail is very apt.
If I'm given another opportunity with her, I need to be very gentle in my approach.
Regarding hex 49, I am not sure how it applies to be honest! On surface level people must be thinking that I should probably just give up on this girl. But truth is, I am so clam inside, I intuit she's taking time - cooling off, before we start again. I hope that is not projection!
Underneath it all, I feel confident I will be able to succeed establishing a relationship but I would like to hear the Iching and I am sure you guys will help me navigate this situation carefully and appropriately! I made the mistake in the beginning with my actions, but I think we both know there's merit in us as a couple. Especially considering how well we relate.
Hi Trojina!
Thank you for replying - very much appreciate it.
Yes why not use this cast. It is 49.2.3.6>10 for any readers.
Not sure what you mean by 'spam texted'. I know what spam is but you weren't a spammer. Maybe you just mean you texted her is a spam like way. Anyway she blocked you. It doesn't sound good.
By spam text I mean I texted her a bunch of needy/emotional texts on a certain day - high number. Guys tend to do this. About the blocking bit, on surface level, yeah. Not good. But many people do this as a way to just deal with stuff - especially younger generation.
Well if she has blocked you then you have no choice. It seems like no further approach is even possible so it's no longer a question of approach at all.
Oh well, I can actually still reach out to her if I want. Two ways, I have a friend that contacted her many weeks ago on my behalf. X (let's call her Jane), did not block her so she can communicate with her. I can also message her from another chat account. Some guys, I'd wager, would say enough space has been allowed for so let me reach back to her. I am of the viewpoint that that should not be done at all.
She has rejected you in no uncertain terms so I'm not sure why you would reach out again.
That's true. Her last words were "sorry H, not ready to talk just yet". Her actions of blocking followed after a couple outbursts from me. I lost my balance.
Also be very cautious. From her perspective it's quite possible she would regard any further contact from as harassment and may take appropriate action against you. Be very careful not to cross her boundaries. If she says 'no' she means 'no' and it seems to me she has said 'no' as clearly as she possibly can. So I'd think the 10 here was describing possible consequences for you if you press yourself on her further.
Yes, if she says no that is quite right. Will just add though, I don't think she'll consider me to be a bully or harassing - as I'd have to be next level crazy for that. If I were to re-engage it would be very brief message.
Well the 49 does appear to indicate that after much more discussion (49.3) perhaps you can establish something on quite a different footing than you first imagined. For some reason I wonder if you have under estimated her strength in some way ? I don't know whether this would be strength of character or strength of position, perhaps she has a protective family, protective friends, even another man.
Good question. I believe I have under-estimated her conservatism. I am very jupiterian in her company, i just feel that way. She's told me a couple of times she would like to take things slow etc. I think my large visions are a bit much and I think she really is quite reserved. She'd tell me I make her very shy. So I need to be really slow w/ her. I like how you say "establish something under different footing" - key word different. I was ready to just go "all - in". Pacing myself is essential now.
I only say this because my feeling as I'm writing is that you may stand to get bitten (10) if you don't fully recognise who you are dealing with. I think you need to be extra cautious in approach, deferential and also leaving her space to take this, if at all, at the pace she wants.
Yeah I intuited this too. I have to tread on the tail of the tiger carefully. I cannot be as expressive and forward as I was last time round. I made her excited, but too much intensity. Giving her the space, like you mention, was my approach. She can still see me in her contacts list, I am not going to force anything.
I realize it can often be difficult for a man to know how much to pursue a woman because on the one hand not giving up and continuing when she is reluctant is often portrayed as committed, romantic, passionate, exciting etc etc in the movies and such. There's fine line between that kind of determination to win her because you feel passionate and crossing the boundary into bullying or what can be seen as harassment. That's why I think you need to be ultra cautious. It does sound like you have frightened her off. Now if you think she has entirely the wrong idea about you how can you communicate without setting off alarm bells in her head ? Perhaps a sincere letter explaining how she may have misunderstood ?
I agree 100% - i was too strong. Which is the shame because I know she was into me. Ultra cautious like you say, is how I feel hexagram 10. I think my action is in restraint here.
If I hadn't seen the cast I would advise you to leave her alone and to be honest I don't feel too good about suggesting you continue trying to communicate with her, but the 49 does seem to suggest this whole thing can perhaps be remade, redefined, possibly far more on her terms.
Yeah I know where you're coming from. It is a peculiar situation. And even on surface level, if I were an outsider looking at this i'd be saying the same thing. It seems all wonky. But i intuit she does really like me, she'd moved very fast with me in 1 week, just my intensity in the end pushed her away requiring space. And i made a big blunder as she was moving house, sorting our her job contract all at the same time. If I had played it cool, i don't think i'd be in this space. But I have learnt.
I like this judgement I found for hex 49: " Hidden within its cocoon the caterpillar becomes a butterfly -- who would believe it until the Metamorphosis was complete?"
The latter makes perfect sense, no one would seem to trust me on this, when I say we'll be a couple. But given how we related, and what I know about her and even what i intuit etc. I think it will be.
And you right, it'd be more on terms she's comfortable with.
Well at first she did say she wanted a relationship and then something freaked her out, her perception of you suddenly changed.
Yes -- too forward.
I think if I were in your shoes (and if I were male) I wouldn't give up hope, I think there may be a turnaround from her but it is going to take time and much negotiation (49.3) and I also wonder if it isn't just her you have to negotiate with ? What about her background and her family, I wonder if they need to have input into how desirable the connection is.
The weird part is I don't know if i can call this hope. I have a conviction we will couple. And it will take time like you're saying. I think her family (sister) will help my case as her sister lives in my country and is engaged to an asian just like me. I think, in fact, her family could be favourable to me.
I say this because I have always found a lot of patience is needed in line 3. You want people to see something that is obvious to you but your word is not enough, everyone has to agree, there's no fast track here. There might be all sorts of factors to negotiate even in practical terms such as money, where to live and so on.
100% sums up how I feel. And that is how i felt when I was sending those needy/emotional messages to her which led to her cutting off. I was thinking that what I saying was 'obvious' like you say. And that she should just get it. What you've said here really resonates with me.
Line 2 suggests it is the right time to remake the relationship but both line 3 and 6 show you really are going to have to be very circumspect about your pacing and about your aims. So in short it seems a good idea to try and renew this but you will have to be very careful not only for her sake but for your own sake too. The 10 shows you stand to get hurt too if you aren't careful so maybe a letter explaining how you think things went wrong and then leave it up to her to get in touch ? Be very humble explaining you will let her lead you in how fast this moves and how it moves and make sure she knows you regret what happened before.
Sound advice, about the remaking bit. I am wondering if it is still needs more time though?
I don't feel the urgency, and i really want her to have space.. I am back in her country permanently I think in Mid-Late Feb.
You asked if your approach would be successful. Well I hesitate to predict because it's down to her and she isn't showing signs of interest but it is quite a powerful combination of hexagrams so whilst you must be careful it isn't a time to be very timid either. I'd think there was a chance of success - although maybe I ought not to say that given she blocked you.
About the timid bit. It's all to easy for me to start texting, but I am wondering, and I'd love your feedback, you suggest taking action now. But I wonder if more patience is required.
Heritage,
When I read for others, I first check it on Ewald's eclectic energies site to make sure the hexes and lines posted add up correctly.
Then for lines or unchanging hexes, I have used the memorizing threads or list of unchanging hexes threads sticky posts here at Clarity in the Understanding Divination forum, and use the lines search for what other people's experiences have been with particular combinations of lines. Failing that, the whole site search. This has enlarged my understanding of the Yi a lot. But I personally get many readings no one else has posted about a lot, for some unknown reason.
And I do use Dekorne's site a lot these days, because it shows you many different translations and commentaries side by side. That's called a "Concordance" with the Bible, and it's the only one I have found for the Yi online. Really helpful in understanding the hexes and the lines in context better.
- LL
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