Help with Clarity ??

[annietyme]

I come here off an on every 6 months or so it seems and as always I seek the perspective/translation/advice from all of you [or whom ever has time for a young gal].

My question to Yi was:

"Show me an image of where Suisse [my bf/soon to be fiance] is emotionally"

This is what I received:
11.1.3.5.6 > 59.2.4 [well there were red boxes next to lines 2 & 4 so I take that as meaning changing?]

Anyone have time to help me with this interpretation?? I'd greatly greatly appreciate it.

 

[Liselle]

Hi Annietyme,

I only started posting here about a week ago, but I do recognize your name (through lurking

.)

Hexagram 11 with lines 1, 3, 5, and 6 changing does indeed result in hexagram 59 (I just drew it out), but of course there are no changing lines in relating hexagrams. Whatever the red boxes are is certainly confusing, but maybe we can just ignore them for now. If they were an essential part of a reading I'm sure you'd know about it.

Wait a second! This is just a guess, but I wonder if the boxes are indicating the ruling lines of the hexagram? Are there similar boxes next to any lines in the primary hexagram?

Even if that is what they are, I have no idea what to do with them in a reading. I'm too new to this; mine eyes glazeth over easily.

Right now I'm too tired to concentrate, but maybe I'll make a wild stab at a reading tomorrow just for fun (well, fun for me; no doubt it's a serious issue for you.) You must PROMISE, though, to take it with an entire salt shaker of salt, since I'm a Yi newbie. (Promise?)

One question, though - is there any relevant background that you suspect might be affecting Suisse's emotions? Any troubling external circumstances? Or is it just a general inquiry?

Congratulations on your impending engagement

!

Lisa

 

[annietyme]

Hi Lisa and welcome!

I am not a newbie really but not really too advanced. There are so many talented and knowledgeable people around here I do my best to catch up.

I do look forward to your interpretation and I will bare in mind that you are new thus taking it with a 'grain of salt' as you say.

As far as background right now. My Mom's cancer just came back with a vengance [went from breast cancer two years ago to breast cancer matastisized into her central nervous system], so there is that we are both dealing with - well me yet him being my emotional support. The fact also that while we'll have been together for 2.5 yrs in September, we've been long distance for a little over 6 months now. That's been pretty stressful but has proved to bring us closer emotionally I think [and I've seen him grow quite a bit emotionally since then].

Is that enough? I am sure you could research all of the rest of it in the archives if you had time.

I look forward to your interpretation - have fun and again I promise!

Thanks,

Annie

 

[yly2pg1]

"Show me an image of where Suisse [my bf/soon to be fiance] is emotionally"

111000(11)- situation between you and your bf
101011(37)- emotional_support
------
010011(59)- dealing with both your current situations

 

[drfrog]

Sorry for butting in this thread, but how did Yly2pg1 get from 11 to 37 before moving to the relating hex of 59?

 

[annietyme]

I'm a little confused as to how that works out and what it means exactly as more of a interpretation with reading the hexes as well.

 

[drfrog]

Ah! Binary addition. Now that's cool. What does the middle one represent (#37)?

 

[annietyme]

Binary addition? what? *scratches head*

i am more confused now. what is a binary addition & what does the emotional support (#37) mean?

 

[drfrog]

Binary addition is just a guess. It seems to fit the pattern.

Reading from left to right there are three 1's which are the three yang lines for hex 11, the three 0's are the yin lines.

The binary pattern for hex 37 are the moving lives of hex 11 in position (left -> right) 1,3,5,6.

Add these up in binary style recalling that 1+1=0 and 1+0=1 produces the relating hex 11.

Quiet fascinating, really. I've checked some of my 'castings' with this formula and it seems good.

But I've no idea what the relation of 37 is to the primary and relating hexagrams!

 

[annietyme]

Okay I think I understand. But what is a good interpretation of 37 [emotional support] in relation to our situation?

did that make sense? eek.

 

[luz]

I think 37 is the hexagram that when 'operated' with any other one gives you what he calls the 'emotional support' aspect of it.. or something like that.

 

[annietyme]

i must be a dumb-bell today. heheehe thanks a lot though!

annie

 

[luz]

Actually, I'm confused too.. I think he found 37 by doing

11 XOR X = 59

XOR is the operator he's using.
Don't worry about it. I don't know what it means either, I think 59 is the 37-ness of 11 or something. If I knew what that meant in practical terms it would mean I understand Chris (and Y), which is something I haven't achieved yet.
Maybe someone will explain...

 

[cal val]

Hi Annietyme...

ltns... happy to see you again.

I'm not the least bit surprised to hear about your engagement. Congratulations to Suisse! Best wishes to you.

This announcement is good feedback for a question you asked about two years ago... *grin*:

http://www.onlineclarity.co.uk/I_Ching_community/messages/92/736.html

Love,

Val

 

[bruce]

Quick! Someone get Lightangel to a deprogramming councilor!

 

[luz]

LOL!!!

I haven't slept much... that's my excuse..

 

[annietyme]

Val,

Wow, I am impressed you remember me! That was a flash back reading that. Wow, things do change and if that doesn't make one a firm believer of the Yi then I honestly don't know what would.

How's the grandchild? My nephew [may 12th] is talking so much it's hard to get a word in edge wise! I just taught him this weekend though that it's not polite to interrupt the adults when they are talking... he then started to cover his mouth and mumble until the adult conversation is finished.

And thank you. *smiles*

Annie

 

[annietyme]

Bruce,

I'll chip in with ya on the deprogrammer!

Annie

 

[bruce]

Annie, I think she's past the crisis now, but we'll keep a close eye on her.

Just teasin?, Chris. No offense, I hope.

 

[luz]

Ha!

Chris doesn't mind.
He knows he's subliminally influencing all of us, even if we don't read him!!!

You just wait, all of you, one day you will wake up and you will find yourselves attempting to X-OR the Universe!

 

[annietyme]

Phew! So relieved!

If I knew what X-OR meant perhaps I would be tempted!

Annie

 

[bruce]

"He knows he's subliminally influencing all of us" {scared emote}

 

[cal val]

Hi again Annie...

LMAO at your nephew. He's apparently connected covering his mouth (during coughing and sneezing) with politeness.

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</center>My grandson (may 9th) is really growing his vocabulary at super sonic speed. I see him about once a week, and he's communicating better and better every visit.

He and my daughter went to Florida a couple of weeks ago to visit his daddy who is on location down there. And in the car from the airport, he talked to his dad on the phone. What my daughter overheard (his end of the conversation) was, "Thomas Isle of Sordor... *in low booming voice* Hello Thomas. Percy is the fastest engine. Grammaw Ma-ga-car (He and I had just been to see Madacasgar for the third time together the weekend before). He's also getting more and more cuddly all the time, and every time I leave him, I leave my heart in a puddle at his feet. I have another grandson due October 20-ish.

When you received 35 about you and Suisse two years ago, I got a very strong feeling it would work into a wonderful partnership or I wouldn't have answered your post. And I was even more certain after reading your blog. I'm so pleased it has!

Love,

Val

 

[Liselle]

Annietyme,

Sometimes when I look through various translations and commentaries on the hexagrams involved in a reading I've done for myself, they will crystallize into what I think is the message. (Which is certainly NOT to imply that it's correct!)

Other times, I'll go through that exercise and it still won't make sense. Unfortunately, that's the case with your reading, at least so far.

So no wild guesses from me...warm thoughts, though, for you and your mother and your bf. While I recognized your name, I didn't remember your story. Cancer is a horrible horrible disease that casts a huge black shadow around it. Sometimes I just get SO MAD at whatever is in charge (be it God or whatever one believes) - which, obviously, is not a productive attitude!

Bless,

Lisa

 

[luz]

Bruce,

these are scary times... you will be needing this:

Make copies, make sure you have enought to last you at least until 2012!

 

[bruce]

 

[luz]

Coooooool!!!!

 

[lightofdarkness]

Yly's perspective I think:

association of family and emotions with 37 after finding what hexagram XORed with 11 creates 59. The close relationship, with pending formality (and so rigidity) is mapped to 37.

IOW the question elicited this 11 into 59 answer where that relationship reflects 37 XOR 11.

I have not focused on this approach re divination but it is possible; my XOR stuff is more focused on spectrum derivation given finer details about a hexagram but Yly is applying it to the changing lines and divination processes - we just need to see if it 'works' ;-)

37 XORed with 11 gives you 59. What does it mean?

37 deals with tension release through rigid structure, and in more traditional terms focuses on family (where the ordering in the family is rigid and sets a context that reduces tension - no competition within the family)

XOR 37 with 11 gives you a description of the 37-ness of 11 and this is described by analogy to hexagram 59. IOW the tension-release nature of 37, when in, working through, a context of 11 is more focused in characteristics of clearing the fog, dispelling the illusions and so being as rigid and as tension releasing as 37 but in a different way to 37 expressed directly.

Imagine all of the hexagrams have genes. These genes are 64 in number, represented by the hexagrams. The gene associated with 37, when EXPRESSED through 11 creates a perspective more like that described by 59.

AN easy one to pick up is 27 - XOR 27 with any other hexagram and you get the description of that hexagram's 'raw' state - before all the furnishing went in. 27 as a universal represents this 'raw' state - skeleton in need of 'meat'. In the IC there is a warning about what 'meat' you take in. - and so the 27-ness.

WIth 37 you get the characteristics of a hexagram in how it expresses what 37 represents - and so the 37-ness.

Hexagram 59 deals with dispelling illusions, making things clear, lifting the fog, and so the nature of 37 expressed THROUGH a context described by 11. (11 is a focus on mediation, on harmonising, balancing - the traditional icon for 11 is of someone in the middle linking two sides and so serving as agent of mediation - see traditional name associations given in:

http://www.iimetro.com.au/~lofting/myweb/lofting/x000111.html)

The interpretation can be on a need to make things clear to each other emotionally. - a focus on mediation (but soft, not the hard type of 01) leads to dispelling illusions. As such the emotional position is a mediating one (tie that back to the imposition of rigidity to elicit tension release, and so each member of the relationship is in the 'right' place, etc)... thats the vibe I get from what Yly is doing.

So this is interpretable as your fiance is emotionally in a mediating position (sitting on the fence! ;-)) through which the focus is on family etc THROUGH dispelling illusions etc.

MY 'issue' with using random methods is well known, I prefer the questions approach (http://www.iimetro.com.au/~lofting/myweb/lofting/icplusProact.html )

For the description of the XOR etc see http://www.iimetro.com.au/~lofting/myweb/icstruct.html

Some preliminary work on line change patterns indicates that 37 XOR 11 extended into 37.1.2.3 XOR 11 will give 59.1.2.3 - we move to a level of dodecagrams etc and an area still in need of fleshing-out.

 

[annietyme]

Val,

He is so adorable!! Here is my Mom and Nephew on the 4th of July [despite the look on his face he really loved the fireworks].

It must be something about the age because kole is the same way, always lots of hugs and kisses when he sees you and when you leave. If only they could retain that when they got older huh?
His sister just turned 5 and that's all the kids they are going to have. I don't blame them because together they have their perfect little girl and boy.

October 20th would be a great day for your grandson to be born as it's my bday too!!

I've had my insecurities and doubts over the last two years about us but I've never been more sure of anything as I am now. We have the date picked out all ready and he insists that the official proposal be a surprise. I did give him a deadline of one year before the actual wedding [I'm a libra I need as much time making decision as I can get!!] which is October 14th, 2006.

I think he is going to pick the ring out himself because he has not asked me anything about what I like or don't like. I'm not too worried though because so far the only jewelry I've received from him as been from Tiffany's. I can't wait to see what he picks out, I have complete faith him.

Regarding my blog, I locked it for stalker-type reasons but I think it's been long enough and I will be unlocking it soon.

Annie

 

[annietyme]

lightofdarkness,

Wow, that is a lot of info! Thanks for providing those links it helped me out a lot in understanding what you mean. I seriously need to get back to my reading!

Annie