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Help with hexagram 54
- Thread starter steel
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M
mirian
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Dear steel,
I don't quite understand your question, I mean, I am not really sure about what you are asking the Yi for. So, what I can offer is a brief overview of Hexagram 54 and, hopefully, you can apply to the subject in hand.
Hex 54 comes up when a person is in a position in which he/she hasn't got much of a say, there is little power to change/influence/choose the conditions. You might have seen this hexagram associated to the words "subordinate" and "secondary" and/or described as "the second wife". The point is, it is a position in the background, with no status, and as such not a position for someone who wants to take the lead or put in practice his/her own plans.
Hope that helps:bows:
I don't quite understand your question, I mean, I am not really sure about what you are asking the Yi for. So, what I can offer is a brief overview of Hexagram 54 and, hopefully, you can apply to the subject in hand.
Hex 54 comes up when a person is in a position in which he/she hasn't got much of a say, there is little power to change/influence/choose the conditions. You might have seen this hexagram associated to the words "subordinate" and "secondary" and/or described as "the second wife". The point is, it is a position in the background, with no status, and as such not a position for someone who wants to take the lead or put in practice his/her own plans.
Hope that helps:bows:
Thank you by your posts.
Today i write this topic quickly, without explanations. This question is a sub-theme of a big theme in my investigation, about a problem with some years.
When i put the question to the Yi, it was putting a no-traditional question: what´s the evaluation of this possible marriage. After few moments, i need to put two specific questions:
What´s the correct action from me to Catia: the result is hex. 21
What´s the correct action from Catia to me: the result is hex 18.
Today i write this topic quickly, without explanations. This question is a sub-theme of a big theme in my investigation, about a problem with some years.
When i put the question to the Yi, it was putting a no-traditional question: what´s the evaluation of this possible marriage. After few moments, i need to put two specific questions:
What´s the correct action from me to Catia: the result is hex. 21
What´s the correct action from Catia to me: the result is hex 18.
i am new in I Ching, only i have some familiarity with the concepts because i tried to integrate this relativity in the inner workings of the ancient brands of eastern astrology, but astrology is degradated and has strong complexity, the specific results are deep, but only if the calculations are precise, and working well. It´s preferable to use oracles.
i´m suspecting: either exist some "smog" against this correct marriage, or exist "smog" to impulse to this incorrect marriage.
In other consultation, i put this question: How is my marriage: Hex 1
i´m suspecting: either exist some "smog" against this correct marriage, or exist "smog" to impulse to this incorrect marriage.
In other consultation, i put this question: How is my marriage: Hex 1
M
mirian
Guest
After few moments, i need to put two specific questions:
What´s the correct action from me to Catia: the result is hex. 21
What´s the correct action from Catia to me: the result is hex 18.
Hello steel,
I am surprised that you had all the hexagrams with no changing lines. You have mentioned four hexagrams in total: 54, 21, 18 and 1. Are you sure that you haven't had any changing line at all?
M
mirian
Guest
Dear steel,
I think that is very unlikely that you have cast 4 hexagrams in a row with no changing lines. I am not saying that it is impossible, but unlikely. So, I assume that somehow parts of your readings have gone missing. If that is the case, I don't know if it is still possible to put them together again based on your notes. You will probably have to ask your questions to the Yi again and get a new set of hexagrams.
In a nutshell, the hexagram is formed by six lines, if a line "changes" a second hexagram is formed. To understand this process I suggest you to go to the section "Learn" on this Website, where you can find a clear explanation of hexagrams and changing lines. And, of course, you can use the website to do your readings, using the section "Free I Ching Readings".
:bows:
I think that is very unlikely that you have cast 4 hexagrams in a row with no changing lines. I am not saying that it is impossible, but unlikely. So, I assume that somehow parts of your readings have gone missing. If that is the case, I don't know if it is still possible to put them together again based on your notes. You will probably have to ask your questions to the Yi again and get a new set of hexagrams.
In a nutshell, the hexagram is formed by six lines, if a line "changes" a second hexagram is formed. To understand this process I suggest you to go to the section "Learn" on this Website, where you can find a clear explanation of hexagrams and changing lines. And, of course, you can use the website to do your readings, using the section "Free I Ching Readings".
:bows:
Yesterday, I put again my important questions.
About: what is the meaning of the appearance of C.P. in my life?
The result is 8,8,9,7,8,7 Hexagram 56 changing to 35. The changing line is the third.
i have this doubt: if third line is changing, i need to follow the method of Zhu Xi?
The other question: How is the option of marriage with C.G?
The result is 9,8,8,7,7,8 Hexagram 17 changing to 45. The first line is changing.
I am remembering well, the answer is in the first line. Ineed to read only the first of 17, or i need some information of the 45?
About: what is the meaning of the appearance of C.P. in my life?
The result is 8,8,9,7,8,7 Hexagram 56 changing to 35. The changing line is the third.
i have this doubt: if third line is changing, i need to follow the method of Zhu Xi?
The other question: How is the option of marriage with C.G?
The result is 9,8,8,7,7,8 Hexagram 17 changing to 45. The first line is changing.
I am remembering well, the answer is in the first line. Ineed to read only the first of 17, or i need some information of the 45?
M
mirian
Guest
About: what is the meaning of the appearance of C.P. in my life?
The result is 8,8,9,7,8,7 Hexagram 56 changing to 35. The changing line is the third.
Dear steel,
Hexagram 56 is often described as the "traveller" or "wanderer", so it can be a situation that is temporary, there is no stability, the wanderer is just passing by. Also, in Hex 56 you might have to deal with circumstances that you are not familiar with, and as a result you can make mistakes, step on someone's toes, behave in a way that is not considered appropriate and so on.
Your changing line -the third- suggests someone who is not careful, who does not really pay attention to what he/she is doing, leading to a very bad result. Needless to say, the line does not bode well for relationships, and there is little understanding and/or co-operation between the two people involved.
The other question: How is the option of marriage with C.G?
The result is 9,8,8,7,7,8 Hexagram 17 changing to 45. The first line is changing.
Here you have two hexagrams -17 and 45 - that favour associations, they can work positively to bring people together to share their everyday life, experiences, etc...
The first changing line advises you to be open and accept differences between people. Maybe ideas, or social status, or beliefs, whatever the differences are, at the end of the day we are all just human beings, so be open-minded, listen, connect.
Hope that helps:bows:
Thank you very much
When anyone is searching a light about relationship/marriage, comparing several possibilities, we can have several positives results, but whether the right choice is within our group of options is another matter...
There is good advice on Hilary´s texts, referring the habit of asking two times: "if I try A", and "if try not A" When any hypotetical partner is the "soul mate" the i ching indicate this fact with forcefullness, with a specific hexagram?
I have other urgent question about job. One friend promise me a temporary job with good earning, by two months aprox., completely opportune by my financial problems, but it is in "standby". I asked to I Ching, what is the recommended action about this option. I get: 7,7,8,7,8,8 Hex 54.
When anyone is searching a light about relationship/marriage, comparing several possibilities, we can have several positives results, but whether the right choice is within our group of options is another matter...
There is good advice on Hilary´s texts, referring the habit of asking two times: "if I try A", and "if try not A" When any hypotetical partner is the "soul mate" the i ching indicate this fact with forcefullness, with a specific hexagram?
I have other urgent question about job. One friend promise me a temporary job with good earning, by two months aprox., completely opportune by my financial problems, but it is in "standby". I asked to I Ching, what is the recommended action about this option. I get: 7,7,8,7,8,8 Hex 54.
M
mirian
Guest
If you take the position, you won't have a choice. They might have others in "standby" as well, so when some work comes up it might be given to you or to someone else, you might not be their first option. And you will have to accept conditions as they are, it is not up to you to change anything.
:bows:
:bows:
About the result Hex 17 to 45, the changing line is the first line.
i have "The official has changed his mind.
Persistence brings good fortune.
Going out of the gate and engage brings results.
Changing one's mind over an issue that has consequences for someone else. Things go well by keeping to this. There will be results by engaging with the new situation."
You refer the possibility of any difference. How i know the nature of this difference? i know one difference, she is very rich.
How i can interpret the presence of Hex 45, if my answer is specified in the first line of my first hexagram?
i have "The official has changed his mind.
Persistence brings good fortune.
Going out of the gate and engage brings results.
Changing one's mind over an issue that has consequences for someone else. Things go well by keeping to this. There will be results by engaging with the new situation."
You refer the possibility of any difference. How i know the nature of this difference? i know one difference, she is very rich.
How i can interpret the presence of Hex 45, if my answer is specified in the first line of my first hexagram?
M
mirian
Guest
About the result Hex 17 to 45, the changing line is the first line.
You refer the possibility of any difference. How i know the nature of this difference? i know one difference, she is very rich.
How i can interpret the presence of Hex 45, if my answer is specified in the first line of my first hexagram?
Both hexagrams, 17 and 45, are part of your reading, part of the same picture. As relating hexagram, 45 can be interpreted here as the backdrop, what you have, what you are working for, people getting together to share whatever they have in common. How can you see it in your situation?
Hex 17 first line brings a message, advice, that it is favourable to connect to people from different backgrounds, status, etc So, you get out of your own circle and meet/connect/relate to people from other groups/associations.
:bows:
About the favourable advice in association with people of different status, etc, she has high status (financial).
I do not know her well. clear that there can be a science or reason for our mutual support. may be spiritual, I do not know. I say this because it is a factor which i give importance (not the only factor, but it is important).
I like to put several questions on a topic for a clearer answer, and see the common threads and essential meanings.
Yesterday i ask: if i try not marry with C.G? the answer is: 8,7,8,8,8,7.
Hexagram 4.
At the moment, i put other questions:
if i try Can. F? Hex 1 changing to 6
If i try not Can.F? Hex 41 changing to 27
If i try M.C.? Hex 35 changing to 12
If i try not M.C? Hex 41 changing to 27
I have other options, but it is better to go step by step analysis.
i will return in the afternoon (Lisbon hour)
I do not know her well. clear that there can be a science or reason for our mutual support. may be spiritual, I do not know. I say this because it is a factor which i give importance (not the only factor, but it is important).
I like to put several questions on a topic for a clearer answer, and see the common threads and essential meanings.
Yesterday i ask: if i try not marry with C.G? the answer is: 8,7,8,8,8,7.
Hexagram 4.
At the moment, i put other questions:
if i try Can. F? Hex 1 changing to 6
If i try not Can.F? Hex 41 changing to 27
If i try M.C.? Hex 35 changing to 12
If i try not M.C? Hex 41 changing to 27
I have other options, but it is better to go step by step analysis.
i will return in the afternoon (Lisbon hour)
Here i am.
The answer to my first question "if i try not C.G" give 4, ignorance. It´s good until defined point, after this point is unwise.
The first hypothesis (C.G) has some sense, but i´m trying to get the whole picture. Exist some interesting fact in the following questions?
The answer to my first question "if i try not C.G" give 4, ignorance. It´s good until defined point, after this point is unwise.
The first hypothesis (C.G) has some sense, but i´m trying to get the whole picture. Exist some interesting fact in the following questions?
Steel
The way you pose your questions leaves me a little in the dark. I don't know exactly what you are asking. As far as woman X and hexagram fifty four, just that doesn't lead me to any answer. How well do you know this person? And as Miriam is saying, are you sure there were no changing lines? Hexagram fifty four just does not give a clear answer unless you have been dating each other for a long time and have very strong feelings for each other.
Right now, under these circumstances, I simply cannot interpret this hexagram.
Gene
The way you pose your questions leaves me a little in the dark. I don't know exactly what you are asking. As far as woman X and hexagram fifty four, just that doesn't lead me to any answer. How well do you know this person? And as Miriam is saying, are you sure there were no changing lines? Hexagram fifty four just does not give a clear answer unless you have been dating each other for a long time and have very strong feelings for each other.
Right now, under these circumstances, I simply cannot interpret this hexagram.
Gene
M
mirian
Guest
Dear steel,
Gene is right, the way you pose your questions is making difficult for people here to help you out.
I really don't understand when you ask If I try not M.C.. It is some sort of negative question, about not doing something. I don't see how we can interpret the context of the question, let alone the answer.
Sorry :bows:
Gene is right, the way you pose your questions is making difficult for people here to help you out.
if i try not marry with C.G? Hexagram 4.
if i try Can. F? Hex 1 changing to 6
If i try not Can.F? Hex 41 changing to 27
If i try M.C.? Hex 35 changing to 12
If i try not M.C? Hex 41 changing to 27
I really don't understand when you ask If I try not M.C.. It is some sort of negative question, about not doing something. I don't see how we can interpret the context of the question, let alone the answer.
Sorry :bows:
Yes, my way is dark, because i am investigating. One question not resolve many problems.
This situation of marriage is subsumed into a larger problem, which requires case itself, several questions to be discovered. The result of this sub-problem will help you get the correct orientation when I require at analyzing the general point of view.
I have my own way to put the answers, and this way is not exclusive from mine.
Independently of my poor experience with I Ching, i must to put questions to get the whole picture, considering I Ching a wise supplier of results to my questions. Divinitation is a reflect our subconcious mind. At least, I should try to discern the correct answer itself. If not, i will try other ways...
About the consecutive negative questions, i understand the point of view of Miriam. maybe is not very correct this way, only consecutives questions about options. If i try to get one question, only, i believe that the use of one question with "i Try" and "i try not" help to get a clear answer.
Back to the original questions of this topic, i noticed something. The first question is "What´s the meaning of appearance of C.P in my life?" the result is 56 changing to 35, the changing line is the third. I have this description about this line:
"The traveler burns down his camp.
He loses his committed young servant.
Danger.
As a stranger, making it impossible to return to the place one had to stay. One cannot expect to receive any help anymore now. Things are hard now."
This situation is very close of the landscape. I had to return for reasons strange and mysterious to land of my fathers, with poor financial situations, and in the middle of a dangerous situation, "orchestrated at the way the universe knows only do". Ok. The "coincides" with this woman are very strong, or sufficient strong to take in observation.
If the first statement say the landscape, i need to understand the relating hexagram, Progress within this situation.
About the second question "how is the potential of marriage with C.G" 17 to 45...i see the landscape of the first line, but the total result is not sufficient to me, or i do not understanding. In few words, seem vague, any good option, but not the correct and best option. If this woman is the soul mate, at moment i am not seeing a strong signal in my result, perhaps conditioned by my observation.
Curiously, my two negative questions about two possible options give the same result (41 to 27).
This situation of marriage is subsumed into a larger problem, which requires case itself, several questions to be discovered. The result of this sub-problem will help you get the correct orientation when I require at analyzing the general point of view.
I have my own way to put the answers, and this way is not exclusive from mine.
Independently of my poor experience with I Ching, i must to put questions to get the whole picture, considering I Ching a wise supplier of results to my questions. Divinitation is a reflect our subconcious mind. At least, I should try to discern the correct answer itself. If not, i will try other ways...
About the consecutive negative questions, i understand the point of view of Miriam. maybe is not very correct this way, only consecutives questions about options. If i try to get one question, only, i believe that the use of one question with "i Try" and "i try not" help to get a clear answer.
Back to the original questions of this topic, i noticed something. The first question is "What´s the meaning of appearance of C.P in my life?" the result is 56 changing to 35, the changing line is the third. I have this description about this line:
"The traveler burns down his camp.
He loses his committed young servant.
Danger.
As a stranger, making it impossible to return to the place one had to stay. One cannot expect to receive any help anymore now. Things are hard now."
This situation is very close of the landscape. I had to return for reasons strange and mysterious to land of my fathers, with poor financial situations, and in the middle of a dangerous situation, "orchestrated at the way the universe knows only do". Ok. The "coincides" with this woman are very strong, or sufficient strong to take in observation.
If the first statement say the landscape, i need to understand the relating hexagram, Progress within this situation.
About the second question "how is the potential of marriage with C.G" 17 to 45...i see the landscape of the first line, but the total result is not sufficient to me, or i do not understanding. In few words, seem vague, any good option, but not the correct and best option. If this woman is the soul mate, at moment i am not seeing a strong signal in my result, perhaps conditioned by my observation.
Curiously, my two negative questions about two possible options give the same result (41 to 27).
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I understand that Miriam and gene not understand the problem in the same way I do, because I have the rest of the story in my head.
In relation to the first question of the post n1, that was poorly worded, it is not necessary to take it into account. the two main questions of this topic are: "what´s the meaning of the appearance of CP in my life " and "what is the potential of a marriage with CG "
Do you want more information about the landscape of thsi two questions? or you want other information?
In relation to the first question of the post n1, that was poorly worded, it is not necessary to take it into account. the two main questions of this topic are: "what´s the meaning of the appearance of CP in my life " and "what is the potential of a marriage with CG "
Do you want more information about the landscape of thsi two questions? or you want other information?
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