Hex 17.1 to 45

[cal val]

I've made a decision, and the Yi's response was 17.1 to 45. Would someone please translate line 1 of 17 for me. Or tell me what the Yi's response to my decision is please.

I really don't understand the Wilhelm/Baynes interpretation at all.

Thanks for your help!

Val

 

[chrislofting]

Hi Val,

17.1 : "If a belief seems to be fading it implies that something about it is no longer appropriate to the times. An imbalance has occurred. This is rectified by going out amongst the people to discover where the change has occurred and thus restoring its life."

Note the emphasis about "going out amongst the people" and so reflecting the influence of generic characteristics of 45. Restoring the 'life' of the belief can be achieved through involvement with a crowd that can act to 'lift' things through the intensity of devotion and so act as a 'booster shot'.

That said, a 'warning' interpretation of "following" influenced by "congregating" as an example of an exaggeration of some form suggests that a belief is not solely validated by celebrating it with others - there is more to it so dont get too carried away with the dance and song. ;-)

The general change interpretation of 17 to 45 reflects the belief is established and now is in need of 'celebration' with others to 'get close' to its core.

Chris.

 

[gene]

Hi Val

I agree with Chris's answer, and I really like the way he answered it. To the point. I will just add a little tiny bit in the sense, yes a belief system is changing, it could also be said in the same vein, that that which we follow and has meaning to us is changing. What was appropriate for us no longer is. We come to a new understanding and augment our core beliefs or change them per the new understanding. In a sense, and in a word, change.

Gene

 

[learner]

Hi Val,

I regard Hex 17 first line as a difficult one to come up with a precise interpretation.
I may offer you a different translation that I have here. Those ideas are not mine, because I would not know what to tell you.
They are literally from Tom Riseman?s translation, in the book Understanding the I Ching:

Nine at the bottom: the condition changes.
Persevering is auspicious.
To go out and mingle produces good effects.

?The relationship between a man and his friends is changing. As leader he should adapt to their needs, but do what is right. However, the circle of friendship, or activity, is too much of a clique, with all that implies.?

Hope this helps,

All the best,
Mirian

 

[cal val]

Thank you everyone for the great interpretations.

I understand this line much better now...thank you thank you thank you...

Sincerely,

Val