hex 20.4,5,6 how deep the water runs here?

[dragona]

:bows:
I wonder..what was ment to be the answer to a question about a person who has done wrong by me (consequently by both, I think) as I asked what will that person do regarding me when settles down?
Hex 20.4,5,6 into 16...especially would like to get better understanding of lines 5 and 6 since did not find much about them in comments and I find these lines to be a bit too philosophical for my understanding here.
Perhaps a few opinions could be placed here about hex 20.
Thank you :bows:

 

[dragona]

Do I understand well - no one cares for hex 20 very much or this is an uninteresting cast?
Ah, right, you are CONTEMPLATING on it

H20,Kwân shows (how he whom it represents should be like) the worshipper who has washed his hands, but not (yet) presented his offerings;--with sincerity and an appearance of dignity (commanding reverent regard).
1. The first SIX, divided, shows the looking of a lad;--not blamable in men of inferior rank, but matter for regret in superior men.
2. The second SIX, divided, shows one peeping out from a door. It would be advantageous if it were (merely) the firm correctness of a female.
3. The third SIX, divided, shows one looking at (the course of) his own life, to advance or recede (accordingly).
4. The fourth SIX, divided, shows one contemplating the glory of the kingdom. It will be advantageous for him, being such as he is, (to seek) to be a guest of the king.
5. The fifth NINE, undivided, shows its subject contemplating his own life(-course). A superior man, he will (thus) fall into no error.
6. The sixth NINE, undivided, shows its subject contemplating his character to see if it be indeed that of a superior man. He will not fall into error. Legge

http://www.iching123.com/20_text.htm offers explanations seemingly of some action
but it would be nice to read of any practical experiances with this hex.
Ty :bows:

 

[pocossin]

What will that person do regarding me when [he] settles down?
20.4.5.6 > 16

20 implies viewing from a distance. 16, a circle of friends. I don't see the distance between you two diminishing any time soon.

especially would like to get better understanding of lines 5 and 6

Line 5 is the line of the ruler. Line 6 is the line of the sage. In line 5 the process the hexagram describes is brought to completion. Line 6 (my opinion) is the finishing up. Hard as it may be, I think you should take a philosophical view of this situation. You are responsible for your own happinesss. You are an artist. Create something. Create your own sunshine. You don't need money for this. Only pencil and paper and commitment. Draw a picture of the person in question and sent it to him. That will remind him of who you really are.

 

[dragona]

Hm...I thought that hex 16 points to the hightened emotional state, annoyed, something of the sort...
So 20 is a cooling down period, distancing - one has to think while that process takes place, no?
I was thinking that 5th and 6th line are talking about 2 persons, not the same one in this case of 2 people on opposite sides.
This confuses me as also how is hex 16 about circle of friends...I like to take the oracle as literaly as I can, cos if i start to go places with it, I can get lost easily in making things up to suit my wishes...

I think you are being bias here, although, I understand your meaning.
There is only need for creativity, and acceptance from my side, but there are also different kinds of artistry in the world. Sending things to a person who does you wrong and turns back on you, does not seem to be anything but wrong. I think I have done my share of offerings.

 

[pocossin]

This confuses me as also how is hex 16 about circle of friends.

My interpretation of the hexagrams is mine, but look at 16.4: You gather friends around you as a hairpin gathers the hair.

I think you are being bias here

I am biased. I'd prefer you were happy rather than sad.

Sending things to a person who does you wrong and turns back on you, does not seem to be anything but wrong.

If you want a chance at reconciliation, you'll need to let resentment go and reach out.

I think I have done my share of offerings.

In matters of the heart, one doesn't keep accounts.

 

[dragona]

You are also sweet as well as biased.
I don`t keep count, just that I think too much advance is an ego-tripping of a sort, as is too much stubborness.
I don`t look for being happy - just content would do very well indeed.

I see, you were looking at 16.4...let me learn a thing or two here at least, cos in life I don`t - not to my advantage, anyway.

 

[dragona]

My interpretation of the hexagrams is mine, but look at 16.4: You gather friends around you as a hairpin gathers the hair.
Is this suggesting I keep people too tight to me? (like in a bun)?
Or that I am a naturaly magnetic a woman

Thanks, pocossin, you do make me smile

 

[NemeanMagik]

To Dragona (Deep Waters)

My interpretation of the hexagrams is mine, but look at 16.4: You gather friends around you as a hairpin gathers the hair.



I am biased. I'd prefer you were happy rather than sad.



If you want a chance at reconciliation, you'll need to let resentment go and reach out.



In matters of the heart, one doesn't keep accounts.

DRAGONA, I just got this reading. Seems to me the circumstances are very similar, and I feel exactly the same! We are human, in process of development. We have feelings and at where we are at. I am sure the I ching understands that (or whoever/whatever I ching is). I feel betrayed. I have looked at my situation every which way and I keep coming back to that. At present I do not see how I can work with therapist again as she shows no compunction. I do not believe for a therapist to behave in the way she has shows care. To me her behaviour has been cavalier and put me at serious risk. She tells me 'She does care'. She has certainly been 'enthusiastic', but I feel recklessly so. If this didn't concern a therapeutic relationship I would indeed view it differently and it would easier to let go of. As it is I think she has betrayed me - in that context. Whatever my aspirations, I need to work though my issues. This has set me back terribly. On a human level, this conclusion is very very hard at this time to escape...If I let go, move on, the social 'agreements', the ultimate non-dualistic dimension is something else. Where I am operating, the whole point is that most of us to live within dualistic framework. Otherwise therapy surely would be irrelevant or not the point anyway. I'd be Enlightened & have escaped Samsara...You know?
If I made an official complaint, I think that itself would be very distressing for me, maybe make the wounds worse as I would more alienated from her. There seems to be so little understanding from her and from other officials who have been involved supposedly to try to sort out the difficulties. If I do nothing, I feel, have felt for months, in limbo, and my body screwed up in pain and ---frustration and anger. At time I have let go through relaxation, etc etc, holding on in hope I was wrong. Now I still find after meeting after meeting, no clear answers, no resolution. Moods and perspectives still swinging around..............and no sensible...'Care'.

 

[dragona]

Ahm...what can I say...if there is a chance to change a therapist, do it now. No waiting, no lingering.
I think that sometimes when we cast and get "situational" hex, it may be to a point but may also be a sign to get out of it. Like perhaps, trying no to think toooooo much. Sometimes even doing the opposite.
If there is a thread to this situation you are describing, do let me know.

 

[NemeanMagik]

DRAGONA, I just got this reading. Seems to me the circumstances are very similar, and I feel exactly the same! We are human, in process of development. We have feelings and at where we are at. I am sure the I ching understands that (or whoever/whatever I ching is). I feel betrayed. I have looked at my situation every which way and I keep coming back to that. At present I do not see how I can work with therapist again as she shows no compunction. I do not believe for a therapist to behave in the way she has shows care. To me her behaviour has been cavalier and put me at serious risk. She tells me 'She does care'. She has certainly been 'enthusiastic', but I feel recklessly so. If this didn't concern a therapeutic relationship I would indeed view it differently and it would easier to let go of. As it is I think she has betrayed me - in that context. Whatever my aspirations, I need to work though my issues. This has set me back terribly. On a human level, this conclusion is very very hard at this time to escape...If I let go, move on, the social 'agreements', the ultimate non-dualistic dimension is something else. Where I am operating, the whole point is that most of us to live within dualistic framework. Otherwise therapy surely would be irrelevant or not the point anyway. I'd be Enlightened & have escaped Samsara...You know?
If I made an official complaint, I think that itself would be very distressing for me, maybe make the wounds worse as I would more alienated from her. There seems to be so little understanding from her and from other officials who have been involved supposedly to try to sort out the difficulties. If I do nothing, I feel, have felt for months, in limbo, and my body screwed up in pain and ---frustration and anger. At time I have let go through relaxation, etc etc, holding on in hope I was wrong. Now I still find after meeting after meeting, no clear answers, no resolution. Moods and perspectives still swinging around..............and no sensible...'Care'.

Dragona, there are quite a few! What I should add is that my 'episodes' are frequently blighted by paradox, and the energy in this situation is similar. I just feel most of the time tied in knots, yet equally there is something in the situation, in the energy of the therapeutic dyad that has enormous potential. Can I hack it? I seem to be on the cusp (or the wrack). All relevant posts are from January, 2014. You probably have already contributed to this subject's discussion in Shared Readings.

 

[dragona]

can`t find it