Hex 60 unchanging - relative struggling with addiction

[post-snow]

I have a dear relative who drinks too much - not daily but sometimes it is just bas for his health. he sought help and is beginnign treatment but it will of course be a long journey. i asked how can i be of service and got hexagram 60 unchanging. i understand i shall have some measures/borders/rules and reflect on things. i am not sure what else it says, can you help? i would really like be a sours eof support (but not let myself be dragged down of course).

 

[Sarah_]

Yes feels like 60 advises taking a measured approach to help. Maintaining healthy boundaries and not falling into codependent thinking - where boundaries are blurred? Measuring where you stop, and they start? 60 might be something about recognising / measuring where you stand in relation to them, as a separate person, so you can see them but not fall into their turmoil and chaos with them, you stay on safe ground.. as an installation of hope for them to come towards…
Some of the interpretations of 60 seem to suggest not being overly restrictive too, so giving enough without giving too much of yourself that you risk your own peace of mind, something like that perhaps ..?

 

[moss elk]

i asked how can i be of service and got hexagram 60 unchanging.

Interesting, I have two thoughts.
Maybe both apply, maybe not.

1-If it is a direct answer to the question, it would mean you can help them regulate their behaviour. Are they going cold turkey or cutting back? If cutting back, you can help them create a measuring system for purchasing and consumption.
(1 trip to the store per week, buying only X amount per trip)

2-But, If the answer is speaking to you it would indicate that your assistance would be limited in effectiveness. One can only do so much for another.

Time will tell.

#1 worked for me, I used to drink a lot.
(m.e. = Former 4th generation barkeep)
Now I limit purchasing and consumption with great success and drink less than the average. But I was willing....key factor.

#2 applies perfectly to all the time and energy I spent to help my uncle who lived under a bridge for 30 years in Chicago Winters. At least I got him into an apartment where he spent the last few years of his life, but he never quit or cut back for even 1 day.

 

[post-snow]

Yes feels like 60 advises taking a measured approach to help. Maintaining healthy boundaries and not falling into codependent thinking - where boundaries are blurred? Measuring where you stop, and they start? 60 might be something about recognising / measuring where you stand in relation to them, as a separate person, so you can see them but not fall into their turmoil and chaos with them, you stay on safe ground.. as an installation of hope for them to come towards…
Some of the interpretations of 60 seem to suggest not being overly restrictive too, so giving enough without giving too much of yourself that you risk your own peace of mind, something like that perhaps ..?

this makes very much sense, thanks!

 

[post-snow]

Interesting, I have two thoughts.
Maybe both apply, maybe not.

1-If it is a direct answer to the question, it would mean you can help them regulate their behaviour. Are they going cold turkey or cutting back? If cutting back, you can help them create a measuring system for purchasing and consumption.
(1 trip to the store per week, buying only X amount per trip)

2-But, If the answer is speaking to you it would indicate that your assistance would be limited in effectiveness. One can only do so much for another.

Time will tell.

#1 worked for me, I used to drink a lot.
(m.e. = Former 4th generation barkeep)
Now I limit purchasing and consumption with great success and drink less than the average. But I was willing....key factor.

#2 applies perfectly to all the time and energy I spent to help my uncle who lived under a bridge for 30 years in Chicago Winters. At least I got him into an apartment where he spent the last few years of his life, but he never quit or cut back for even 1 day.

thanks you and i very mucha ppreciate the examples! i live far away so that i dont think i can have a direct influence on the amount consumed, so to some extent it tend to think that 2 is the fitting reply. i dont have illusions they will stop drinking because i wish so, and the one time they went to rehab it was because they decided so (10 let sober after that, which was a success). i dont think i can influence that much, but i am prepared to support and be there and i assure my relative i dont condemn them and i udnerstand he is struggling and doing what he can. he has been very kind and supportive also, which makes me appreciate his personality even more and i see his struggles as something that is very tough for him

 

[rosada]

Hilary calls 60 Articulating, as in forming clear and distinct words. I have a friend who has successfully lost weight in a weight loss program where every morning she and her coach talk on the phone for 15 minutes. This session seems to empower - make more real - the part of her that is aiming to stick with her weight loss goals. This suggests to me you might be able assist your relative doing something similar as in talking to him every morning to strengthen his resolve.

The 15 minute idea also seems to fit with the oracle’s reference to measurements. It seemed to be important that the talk last for a full 15 minutes.

 

[post-snow]

Hilary calls 60 Articulating, as in forming clear and distinct words. I have a friend who has successfully lost weight in a weight loss program where every morning she and her coach talk on the phone for 15 minutes. This session seems to empower - make more real - the part of her that is aiming to stick with her weight loss goals. This suggests to me you might be able assist your relative doing something similar as in talking to him every morning to strengthen his resolve.

The 15 minute idea also seems to fit with the oracle’s reference to measurements. It seemed to be important that the talk last for a full 15 minutes.

wow this is very interesting! thanks a lot! i will suggest something like that!

 

[post-snow]

Interesting, I have two thoughts.
Maybe both apply, maybe not.

1-If it is a direct answer to the question, it would mean you can help them regulate their behaviour. Are they going cold turkey or cutting back? If cutting back, you can help them create a measuring system for purchasing and consumption.
(1 trip to the store per week, buying only X amount per trip)

2-But, If the answer is speaking to you it would indicate that your assistance would be limited in effectiveness. One can only do so much for another.

Time will tell.

#1 worked for me, I used to drink a lot.
(m.e. = Former 4th generation barkeep)
Now I limit purchasing and consumption with great success and drink less than the average. But I was willing....key factor.

#2 applies perfectly to all the time and energy I spent to help my uncle who lived under a bridge for 30 years in Chicago Winters. At least I got him into an apartment where he spent the last few years of his life, but he never quit or cut back for even 1 day.

i got a notification that you repsonded agan but i dnt see that post here - anyway thaks very much! i dont think i can change someone but i want to be as supportive as i can - without being too entangled