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Hi Lindsay,
Thank you for the whimsical, possibly capricious interlude, not to mention the fine dining advice, but right now I have an appetite whetted for Jungian 'waffles'. Got any on the griddle that you would care to share?
Namaste,
Leonard
Thank you for the whimsical, possibly capricious interlude, not to mention the fine dining advice, but right now I have an appetite whetted for Jungian 'waffles'. Got any on the griddle that you would care to share?
Namaste,
Leonard
?Giving one?s opinion is not always the wisest thing to do. The decision is yours, but think before acting. Very often an opinion causes only a lot of trouble and nothing else. But having one, it is very difficult to see this.?
-- LiSe, Hexagram 43, Line 4
Sorry, Leonard, I?ve given this a lot of thought, and I?ve decided I am not going to defend or even explain my opinion about Jung?s preface. You certainly are right to ask me to do so, but when I look ahead, I see nothing but trouble for all of us if we go down that road. There are trolls in that particular piece of writing I dare not wake up.
If I were you, I would not be satisfied with such excuses, and I would come away with a rather low opinion of Lindsay. This loss of face, I?m afraid, is something I?ve brought upon myself for being fool enough to write so freely in the first place. If you think I?m not sorry about the unintended effect my remarks have had on you, Louise, Candid, and everyone else I like and enjoy so much on this board, then you would be very much mistaken.
My buttocks are without skin,
Lindsay
-- LiSe, Hexagram 43, Line 4
Sorry, Leonard, I?ve given this a lot of thought, and I?ve decided I am not going to defend or even explain my opinion about Jung?s preface. You certainly are right to ask me to do so, but when I look ahead, I see nothing but trouble for all of us if we go down that road. There are trolls in that particular piece of writing I dare not wake up.
If I were you, I would not be satisfied with such excuses, and I would come away with a rather low opinion of Lindsay. This loss of face, I?m afraid, is something I?ve brought upon myself for being fool enough to write so freely in the first place. If you think I?m not sorry about the unintended effect my remarks have had on you, Louise, Candid, and everyone else I like and enjoy so much on this board, then you would be very much mistaken.
My buttocks are without skin,
Lindsay
Dear Lindsay, I'm tantalized now, I really want to know your opinion of Jungs preface - I promise I will not get ratty with you - we should be free to express differing opinions here - otherwise there would be no life and we would all die of boredom - rot and stagnation. I'm sorry if I contributed towards silencing you - I think the medium we are using sometimes leads to lots of misunderstandings. Anyway suppose i can't force you to wake up those trolls...
Hi all,
I haven't been keeping up here since my last post and just spent some time reading through the discussion in the last week. I think Julianne's reply from the I Ching was very good and I can think of a few examples which fit perfectly...nine years ago I had a mammogram done (my first) and was extremely nervous about it. Before I went I asked the I Ching if the results would be good and received 11 - unchanging. After the initial pictures were taken, the x-ray technologist kept me sitting in the exam room for some time and then sent the nurse back in requesting more pictures. Of course, no explanation and wild panic on my part. Then he told me I would need to see my Dr. for an explanation. I went back to my OB, who sent me to a specialist, who told me that what he saw was often representative of early cancer, and the only way to tell would be surgery.
I was scheduled for the surgery 5 days before my second son's high school graduation. The surgeon told my husband that if the walnut sized piece he took out of me showed cancer in the lab, he would want me back immediately after the graduation for a total carve up job. I pondered the meaning of "Peace" for 3 days until the results were in. Totally negative. There was no cancer at all.
Now this wasn't the same as "No Peace" but was definitely an example of "waiting - duration". So I am adding this as my meaning of the majority of the hexagrams when there is no movement. But I still feel if I ask if a certain job interview would result in a job and got 27, it would not mean waiting (for this job to bring) duration. It would mean "no nourishment".
On the subject of prediction vs. throwing the I Ching has already changed the future somewhat ... I use the I Ching for prediction accurately in almost every aspect of my life. Some things can not be changed because fate and the actions of others also have their say, but the things I see as changeable are often presented as two distinctly different answers to the same period/question/problem. One example of this is a very difficult problem I was having with my husband. The future looked alternately very bleak/very positive. Then I realized I had seen this alternation before at times and it was telling me, if I take the correct action, I can influence the outcome. Then I carefully spent the next 9 months asking at every juncture what MY correct move should be in regard to this situation. (remember, someone has said you can't change anyone else's actions, only your own). But changing my own of course changed his reactions to me and what I said or didn't say. And his own actions ended up being quite different from the way he usually chose to be, because I think my actions, as guided by the I Ching, changed his mind about what he felt was important in his life. The answers got continually more enlightening and positive and the situation has now almost passed without any major mishap. So there is certainly a way to predict the future and even to change certain aspects of it to bring a more positive outcome. I have been doing this so long, I could never doubt that the answers are guiding me to know the future and respond in the most positive way for myself and my family.
I haven't been keeping up here since my last post and just spent some time reading through the discussion in the last week. I think Julianne's reply from the I Ching was very good and I can think of a few examples which fit perfectly...nine years ago I had a mammogram done (my first) and was extremely nervous about it. Before I went I asked the I Ching if the results would be good and received 11 - unchanging. After the initial pictures were taken, the x-ray technologist kept me sitting in the exam room for some time and then sent the nurse back in requesting more pictures. Of course, no explanation and wild panic on my part. Then he told me I would need to see my Dr. for an explanation. I went back to my OB, who sent me to a specialist, who told me that what he saw was often representative of early cancer, and the only way to tell would be surgery.
I was scheduled for the surgery 5 days before my second son's high school graduation. The surgeon told my husband that if the walnut sized piece he took out of me showed cancer in the lab, he would want me back immediately after the graduation for a total carve up job. I pondered the meaning of "Peace" for 3 days until the results were in. Totally negative. There was no cancer at all.
Now this wasn't the same as "No Peace" but was definitely an example of "waiting - duration". So I am adding this as my meaning of the majority of the hexagrams when there is no movement. But I still feel if I ask if a certain job interview would result in a job and got 27, it would not mean waiting (for this job to bring) duration. It would mean "no nourishment".
On the subject of prediction vs. throwing the I Ching has already changed the future somewhat ... I use the I Ching for prediction accurately in almost every aspect of my life. Some things can not be changed because fate and the actions of others also have their say, but the things I see as changeable are often presented as two distinctly different answers to the same period/question/problem. One example of this is a very difficult problem I was having with my husband. The future looked alternately very bleak/very positive. Then I realized I had seen this alternation before at times and it was telling me, if I take the correct action, I can influence the outcome. Then I carefully spent the next 9 months asking at every juncture what MY correct move should be in regard to this situation. (remember, someone has said you can't change anyone else's actions, only your own). But changing my own of course changed his reactions to me and what I said or didn't say. And his own actions ended up being quite different from the way he usually chose to be, because I think my actions, as guided by the I Ching, changed his mind about what he felt was important in his life. The answers got continually more enlightening and positive and the situation has now almost passed without any major mishap. So there is certainly a way to predict the future and even to change certain aspects of it to bring a more positive outcome. I have been doing this so long, I could never doubt that the answers are guiding me to know the future and respond in the most positive way for myself and my family.
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Lindsay, when I read your mail about Jung's waffles, I was interested. I like Jung, and I was curious about what those waffles were. I even considered reading his preface to the Yi again, looking for them. Liking someone sometimes is a habit, overlooking things, and seeing it all too pink. It is always good to re-evaluate one's opinions once in a while.
So please, go ahead.
LiSe
So please, go ahead.
LiSe
OK- I am going home tonight and read Jung's intro for the first time. This is getting good!!! Whose scared of some little ol' trolls anyway....
"Fear needs a future to exist"
- some buddhist monk somewhere sometime...
Peace - Brian
"Fear needs a future to exist"
- some buddhist monk somewhere sometime...
Peace - Brian
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Linsay - I'm with Louise, Leonard and LiSe all the way. I find it interesting that you have a different take on Jung than some here do. I've had exactly the same response as LiSe, re-reflecting upon it to see if perhaps I've been romanced by the Jungian Stone. At this point, I'm unchanged from my original opinion, but that's all it is - my opinion.
As for your ?joyess lake humor?, I liked it! It seemed a little out of your usual neat and articulate style, but hey, sometimes we need to put a tear on the wrapping just to see what's in there.
Pam, I really liked reading about your experience and found this statement especially interesting: "Then I realized I had seen this alternation before at times and it was telling me, if I take the correct action, I can influence the outcome." This, I believe, is the direct result of activating, or as Chris would say, "enlisting" that part of you which sees intuitively. Its what gave breath and life of Yi's influence into your future. You saw the potential in the light of the choices, which the I Ching made clearer to you. Beautiful!
As for your ?joyess lake humor?, I liked it! It seemed a little out of your usual neat and articulate style, but hey, sometimes we need to put a tear on the wrapping just to see what's in there.
Pam, I really liked reading about your experience and found this statement especially interesting: "Then I realized I had seen this alternation before at times and it was telling me, if I take the correct action, I can influence the outcome." This, I believe, is the direct result of activating, or as Chris would say, "enlisting" that part of you which sees intuitively. Its what gave breath and life of Yi's influence into your future. You saw the potential in the light of the choices, which the I Ching made clearer to you. Beautiful!
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Hi Lindsay,
I certainly and sincerely hope the impression conveyed by my post was as simply an honest query. ...and also a tad lazy on my part, after reflection. So, I'll reread the preface also, and do it this time with an eye cocked towards the local Int'l House of Pancakes. ;-)) I will admit I have a Jungian bias, and after reflecting on that bias realized that I haven't actually updated any Jungian files in quite a while. Considering the massive quantities of psychedelics ingested during my Jungian period, perhaps a revisit during less intense moments might shed new light. ...'onward into the Valley of Death, rode the six hundred'!
Namaste,
Leonard
I certainly and sincerely hope the impression conveyed by my post was as simply an honest query. ...and also a tad lazy on my part, after reflection. So, I'll reread the preface also, and do it this time with an eye cocked towards the local Int'l House of Pancakes. ;-)) I will admit I have a Jungian bias, and after reflecting on that bias realized that I haven't actually updated any Jungian files in quite a while. Considering the massive quantities of psychedelics ingested during my Jungian period, perhaps a revisit during less intense moments might shed new light. ...'onward into the Valley of Death, rode the six hundred'!
Namaste,
Leonard
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Hi Leonard.
Interesting - Jungian bias. Many of us (like you and me) have taken the strong cocktail of Jung, I Ching, Carlos Castaneda and a bushel of Timothy Leary, back in the 60s-70s. Its good to sort through and reorganize the mix of influences to retrofit into our current position from time to time.
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Interesting - Jungian bias. Many of us (like you and me) have taken the strong cocktail of Jung, I Ching, Carlos Castaneda and a bushel of Timothy Leary, back in the 60s-70s. Its good to sort through and reorganize the mix of influences to retrofit into our current position from time to time.
"Sacred cows make the best hamburger!" (but terrible guides)
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I have been thinking about the lines of hexes with-no-moving-lines.
A line is moving when it is old or big yang or yin, ready to change into its opposite. Young yang and yin are stable, so the unmoving lines are the good ones (in Chinese they are called great and small yang and yin: maybe an indication for the big and small man?)
The moving lines show the realms where one should do something, and what, to avoid trouble. The unmoving ones don?t need attention now, no trouble there. The moving ones are the hitch, they need or tell the advice.
So I think when there are no moving lines, the hexagram just says: this is the situation, think about it. No special advice, just an overview.
Like when buying a car: the lines tell you about its good and bad points, warning you here and there, the hexagram tells you its brand: a cheap one, a fast one, a showy one. And when no line is moving, then it cannot be a real bad buy, no disasters ahead. Just consider your choice, if this is the kind you want.
..Talking about sacred cows..
LiSe
A line is moving when it is old or big yang or yin, ready to change into its opposite. Young yang and yin are stable, so the unmoving lines are the good ones (in Chinese they are called great and small yang and yin: maybe an indication for the big and small man?)
The moving lines show the realms where one should do something, and what, to avoid trouble. The unmoving ones don?t need attention now, no trouble there. The moving ones are the hitch, they need or tell the advice.
So I think when there are no moving lines, the hexagram just says: this is the situation, think about it. No special advice, just an overview.
Like when buying a car: the lines tell you about its good and bad points, warning you here and there, the hexagram tells you its brand: a cheap one, a fast one, a showy one. And when no line is moving, then it cannot be a real bad buy, no disasters ahead. Just consider your choice, if this is the kind you want.
..Talking about sacred cows..
LiSe
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Hi all,
Recently had a conversation with a friend who is studying Yi also. When I brought up this thread she said her experience had been that she usually got hexs with no moving lines when she had asked a question which could be answered with a yes/no answer. Anyone else have that experience?
I briefly scanned my diary of recently asked questions and found that to be the case 5 out of 7 times.
Namaste,
Leonard
Recently had a conversation with a friend who is studying Yi also. When I brought up this thread she said her experience had been that she usually got hexs with no moving lines when she had asked a question which could be answered with a yes/no answer. Anyone else have that experience?
I briefly scanned my diary of recently asked questions and found that to be the case 5 out of 7 times.
Namaste,
Leonard
OMG I don't know what to think about hexagrams with no moving lines anymore
I feel a need to summarise the different possibilities we've had so far
I'm open to correction but I think we've so far had
1. Its a hexagram shouting at you - one thats laying down empahsis on a situation. Its very clear - words we had were, lucid, emphatic etc
2. In some cases its a hexagram thats indicating that something is not going to happen at all or it may be indicating a lack ie 27(your not nourished or you need to consider nourishment)
3. Lise's latest perspective ; no specific action required in the situation - an overview.
4.Leonards last post - a question that can be answered with a yes or no answer.
5. Not forgetting Julianne asking Yi what no moving lines meant and getting 5, lines1,4 and 5 and bringing up the idea of a stationary period as in astrology.
I haven't read back so I may have missed something there. Collectively I think we are well on the way to producing a book on the subject (lol)
Each different view I've read I've agreed with, though I was a little confused by Pams.
. So I think each differing view has been equally valid, but am now scratching my head(really)because how can i agree with all of them, they are contradictory ! It seems to me the main
contradiction has been between 1 and 2 above.
Reading Leonards latest post, I think there may well be something in that. Though I have realised that although I record hexagrams with moving lines, I often don't bother recording hexagrams with no moving lines. To me it feels like a non answer or an answer I don't know what to make of - am rather dependent on the moving lines.
I know someones going to say 'ah well, all these different views could apply'. To which I'd say 'ah well I guess so'. Still scratching my head though
Can someone please organize my head ? (joke}
I feel a need to summarise the different possibilities we've had so far
I'm open to correction but I think we've so far had
1. Its a hexagram shouting at you - one thats laying down empahsis on a situation. Its very clear - words we had were, lucid, emphatic etc
2. In some cases its a hexagram thats indicating that something is not going to happen at all or it may be indicating a lack ie 27(your not nourished or you need to consider nourishment)
3. Lise's latest perspective ; no specific action required in the situation - an overview.
4.Leonards last post - a question that can be answered with a yes or no answer.
5. Not forgetting Julianne asking Yi what no moving lines meant and getting 5, lines1,4 and 5 and bringing up the idea of a stationary period as in astrology.
I haven't read back so I may have missed something there. Collectively I think we are well on the way to producing a book on the subject (lol)
Each different view I've read I've agreed with, though I was a little confused by Pams.
contradiction has been between 1 and 2 above.
Reading Leonards latest post, I think there may well be something in that. Though I have realised that although I record hexagrams with moving lines, I often don't bother recording hexagrams with no moving lines. To me it feels like a non answer or an answer I don't know what to make of - am rather dependent on the moving lines.
I know someones going to say 'ah well, all these different views could apply'. To which I'd say 'ah well I guess so'. Still scratching my head though
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For one thing, I can combine my own view very well with Julianne?s hex-5-to-32, the Yi?s own answer. After all the Yi is the expert, and I think it was a very clear answer.
Hex.5 is not just waiting, it is needing something (rain) and waiting-hoping. One of the meanings of xu is ?needing?.
You need something ? obviously, you asked the oracle because of that ? and it tells you to wait for it, and not to change your own course (hex.32). No changing lines: steady on.
Today I got hex.4 w/no-changing-lines as advice how I should treat a certain person. At first it was quite a puzzle. Who was the ignorant, or maybe even the fool, he or me? And who was the sage who was sought after by the ignorant? After pondering it for some time, I decided that no lines meant in this case that the entire meaning of the hexagram applied to all, both him and me. He was a fool and a sage, and me too. It worked wonderful, nothing got pinned down, and what looked like a difficult situation turned into a lot of fun for both of us. I did not tell him about my oracle, but he was acting one moment like a child, the next he was a sage, then a fool, as if he was deliberately acting out all sides of hex.4. And because I was prepared, I could join in at all the right moments.
Namaste
LiSe
Hex.5 is not just waiting, it is needing something (rain) and waiting-hoping. One of the meanings of xu is ?needing?.
You need something ? obviously, you asked the oracle because of that ? and it tells you to wait for it, and not to change your own course (hex.32). No changing lines: steady on.
Today I got hex.4 w/no-changing-lines as advice how I should treat a certain person. At first it was quite a puzzle. Who was the ignorant, or maybe even the fool, he or me? And who was the sage who was sought after by the ignorant? After pondering it for some time, I decided that no lines meant in this case that the entire meaning of the hexagram applied to all, both him and me. He was a fool and a sage, and me too. It worked wonderful, nothing got pinned down, and what looked like a difficult situation turned into a lot of fun for both of us. I did not tell him about my oracle, but he was acting one moment like a child, the next he was a sage, then a fool, as if he was deliberately acting out all sides of hex.4. And because I was prepared, I could join in at all the right moments.
Namaste
LiSe
Any trolls around??? Come out, come out wherever you are...
Anyone else ever have the experiences Jung relates on page xxxi of his forward to W/B I-Ching? He states, "If for instance a person finds himself in a confusing situation he may himself appear in the oracle as the speaker. Or, if the question concerns a relationship with another person, that person may appear as the speaker." Personally, I have never had the expereince that "I" am talking to myself, or that another person as object of inquiry is speaking through the I-ching, but this is quite possibly because my mind has not been open to such ideas. Anyone???
namaste - Brian
Anyone else ever have the experiences Jung relates on page xxxi of his forward to W/B I-Ching? He states, "If for instance a person finds himself in a confusing situation he may himself appear in the oracle as the speaker. Or, if the question concerns a relationship with another person, that person may appear as the speaker." Personally, I have never had the expereince that "I" am talking to myself, or that another person as object of inquiry is speaking through the I-ching, but this is quite possibly because my mind has not been open to such ideas. Anyone???
namaste - Brian
Dear Brian,
I think I've just had an example of another person 'speaking' through I Ching, that is, their views being expressed through a hexagram. My aunt has been acting as a mentor to me on a relationship problem. As I have not been able to report any dramatic progress to her, I asked I Ching, "She's expecting to hear some news. What do I say to her?". The answer was H64 'Not Yet Across' with moving line 4 (which actually promises eventual success), giving resultant hexagram 4. Why did I get H4? Possibly the 'Sage' in this case is my aunt who has already given me quite a bit of advice. It doesn't always have to be I Ching itself speaking through this hexagram.
I think I've just had an example of another person 'speaking' through I Ching, that is, their views being expressed through a hexagram. My aunt has been acting as a mentor to me on a relationship problem. As I have not been able to report any dramatic progress to her, I asked I Ching, "She's expecting to hear some news. What do I say to her?". The answer was H64 'Not Yet Across' with moving line 4 (which actually promises eventual success), giving resultant hexagram 4. Why did I get H4? Possibly the 'Sage' in this case is my aunt who has already given me quite a bit of advice. It doesn't always have to be I Ching itself speaking through this hexagram.
Hello everyone its 'hurricane louise' here - hee hee. No its not its mild mannered/reasonable louise today (for now). Last night feeling intensley worried about my finances - which are desperate - I asked Yi to comment on my financial situation and - you guessed it - got 14 !!! Wealth, no moving lines !! I have no idea what to make of that ? There is literally not a penny in my pot. Any ideas would be gratefully appreciated. Pam says its about letting go of something - theres nothing left to let go..OMG
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The image of 14 is a hand (the 'big' part is a big man, or someone making the gesture of anglers: the one that I threw back was THIS big), but the hand meant in old times not only one's own hand, having much. It was often God's hand, and its meaning was 'blessings', or better for you yet: receiving blessings.
So don't despair, it might mean that something is coming your way.
Still another possibility: possessions are not only worldly goods, but also mental assets. Like a talent to be happy, to name the best one.
Looks like a small consolation, and when someone offers this one when you cannot pay the rent, it is difficult not to throw this person out of the door.
Don't worry, I am used to hurricane-people, I even like them, and being digital it will be difficult to throw me or anything at me.
LiSe
So don't despair, it might mean that something is coming your way.
Still another possibility: possessions are not only worldly goods, but also mental assets. Like a talent to be happy, to name the best one.
Looks like a small consolation, and when someone offers this one when you cannot pay the rent, it is difficult not to throw this person out of the door.
Don't worry, I am used to hurricane-people, I even like them, and being digital it will be difficult to throw me or anything at me.
LiSe
Hi Louise,
Just a couple of quick thoughts. One is that perhaps Yi's comment is to remind you that wealth, possessions are something that pass through you. They are not useful when arrested in their movement, only when moving. Thus, instead of merely looking into the empty pot, look at the whole cycle by which the pot fills and empties.
Wilhelm says about the 5th line, "The weak fifth line occupies the place of honour and all the strong lines are in accord with it. All things come to the man who's modest and kind in a high position...How is it possible that the weak line has power to hold the strong lines fast and to possess them? It's done by virtue of unselfish modesty." Then there is the idea of making an offering. To me, it sort of leads to the question, "What is the wealth FOR?" and suggests that the immediate answer - paying the rent, etc. is not a big enough perspective to be able to see the whole cycle of blessing. Mother Theresa. "Consider the lilies of the field."
Perhaps the Yi-comment is asking you to consider what you are devoted to, and what is devoted to you? Also, maybe find where it is in your life that "letting go" (in the sense of easy generosity) still is operating (because you feel yourself connected at both ends to a cycle: receiving, and giving). Maybe that won't turn out to be the cycle that gets the rent paid, but at least in contemplating its existence, you can see something else about the rent-cycle that is helpful.
Just a couple of quick thoughts. One is that perhaps Yi's comment is to remind you that wealth, possessions are something that pass through you. They are not useful when arrested in their movement, only when moving. Thus, instead of merely looking into the empty pot, look at the whole cycle by which the pot fills and empties.
Wilhelm says about the 5th line, "The weak fifth line occupies the place of honour and all the strong lines are in accord with it. All things come to the man who's modest and kind in a high position...How is it possible that the weak line has power to hold the strong lines fast and to possess them? It's done by virtue of unselfish modesty." Then there is the idea of making an offering. To me, it sort of leads to the question, "What is the wealth FOR?" and suggests that the immediate answer - paying the rent, etc. is not a big enough perspective to be able to see the whole cycle of blessing. Mother Theresa. "Consider the lilies of the field."
Perhaps the Yi-comment is asking you to consider what you are devoted to, and what is devoted to you? Also, maybe find where it is in your life that "letting go" (in the sense of easy generosity) still is operating (because you feel yourself connected at both ends to a cycle: receiving, and giving). Maybe that won't turn out to be the cycle that gets the rent paid, but at least in contemplating its existence, you can see something else about the rent-cycle that is helpful.
Thankyou Willow, that is such a thought provoking response you have given me. I've read it over a few times because the ideas you are expressing are quite subtle - I think you have expressed some ideas I was unable to articulate. What you said here was especially resonant with me
To me it sort of leads to the question "What is the wealth FOR" and suggests the immediate answer - paying the rent, etc is not big enough to see the whole cycle of blessing
It appears to me on the face of it that things like rent, bills etc are all I need the money for, yet I know exactly what you mean. Wealth or the lack of it does seem to operate or be part of a much bigger cycle. I am going to contemplate the wealth cycle. Thankyou for helping me see this.
To me it sort of leads to the question "What is the wealth FOR" and suggests the immediate answer - paying the rent, etc is not big enough to see the whole cycle of blessing
It appears to me on the face of it that things like rent, bills etc are all I need the money for, yet I know exactly what you mean. Wealth or the lack of it does seem to operate or be part of a much bigger cycle. I am going to contemplate the wealth cycle. Thankyou for helping me see this.
Louise,
Great comment by Willow...I just checked back in here after not looking since my last post. I do want to reassure you that I received the same answer to a question about finances back in August I think (I was laid off from my job designing software the August before and had only managed to find temporary jobs since then, and was unemployed at the time). I also threw many other things at various times, but that particular throw made me think I had to let go of the idea of needing money and focus on what I could do to make my family's life better and less stressful. So I put more effort into my son's homework and spent time hiking with my husband and the dog and tried to stop stressing about it.
Then I started asking, 'what can I do now to get a job' or 'where should I look (online, newspaper, friends, etc.)' and also 'if I can't get a permanent job now, should I volunteer to help somewhere and maybe get more connections that way?'. I don't know your situation, but sometimes you can be lead to the right result if you know where to look and how to spend your time. Do you have a partner to help with the finances? I hope things are going to clear up for you because here in Silicon Valley I know so many people out of work, out of luck, and running out of money. Ask the Yi what you SHOULD do maybe and then try to do that. Sometimes that question brings a gradual improvement if you can understand the path to follow.
I just got my old job back a week ago last Monday, so even though in August my coffers were still draining away I am at least employed again and hopefully if this little startup gets more money in February, my contract will be turned into a permanent position again.
Great comment by Willow...I just checked back in here after not looking since my last post. I do want to reassure you that I received the same answer to a question about finances back in August I think (I was laid off from my job designing software the August before and had only managed to find temporary jobs since then, and was unemployed at the time). I also threw many other things at various times, but that particular throw made me think I had to let go of the idea of needing money and focus on what I could do to make my family's life better and less stressful. So I put more effort into my son's homework and spent time hiking with my husband and the dog and tried to stop stressing about it.
Then I started asking, 'what can I do now to get a job' or 'where should I look (online, newspaper, friends, etc.)' and also 'if I can't get a permanent job now, should I volunteer to help somewhere and maybe get more connections that way?'. I don't know your situation, but sometimes you can be lead to the right result if you know where to look and how to spend your time. Do you have a partner to help with the finances? I hope things are going to clear up for you because here in Silicon Valley I know so many people out of work, out of luck, and running out of money. Ask the Yi what you SHOULD do maybe and then try to do that. Sometimes that question brings a gradual improvement if you can understand the path to follow.
I just got my old job back a week ago last Monday, so even though in August my coffers were still draining away I am at least employed again and hopefully if this little startup gets more money in February, my contract will be turned into a permanent position again.
Hi Pam, thanks for that. When I ask about working, earning i seem to come up with 6 line 4 often, which i discussed in another thread. It always seems to point to withdrawal, renewal in oneself which is absolutely fine by me, except you don't get money for staying home and meditating LOL. But I don't think I've asked Yi the question you suggested so I shall go and do that. Working isn't working for me right now, and Yi seems to say thats fine, thats right. So I ask okay then what about money and often get 15.
I've been going round in circles with these questions for months now - maybe time to get a new angle on the questions. Thanks for your concern and I'm glad you are getting back on your feet again.
I've been going round in circles with these questions for months now - maybe time to get a new angle on the questions. Thanks for your concern and I'm glad you are getting back on your feet again.
Hey Louise,
Same hexagram I got repeatedly!!!! Maybe the conflict is something else though...in my case I was also facing a difficult situation with my husband, who IS employed but hates his job and is actively looking for another. The only problem with that is that for the last six years every change in job has brought some heavy new romantic interest, to the point where I was thinking I had no patience for it anymore. Even though he doesn't actually have affairs, he becomes so distracted by these women that he treats me like a stranger. Just this year I have finally seen some dramatic improvement and the man I used to love has appeared again - I'd almost forgotton what he was like!!! So I am hesitant to have him move on again and repeat the cycle.
So in my case the problem was to gently convince him of the value of our relationship and the destruction he causes by these other fantasies. And to throw the I Ching every time he thought there was an opportunity for a move - sometimes he has requested me to to - sometimes he has bucked at the restriction it puts on him...but I think he has finally realized that what the I Ching says about him is true. (He would never admit this to me, however.) The last interview he had (in August) I warned him he shouldn't take the job because 5 - 31 and 51 - 31 were certainly not good indicators. Sure enough, he went on the interview, the woman and he struck it off famously, she spent hours telling him her life story and he came back and acted like a teenage idiot for about 3 days. Then she called and offered him the job and he by then realized from my looking at him like he wasn't fooling anyone (is there an icon for that) that he would be in deep trouble if he was working around this woman every day. He refused it. (Unfortunately it meant a rather big salary increase).
So I guess the "conflict" I was supposed to "disperse" was the conflict of him working in another situation where this would happen. Now I am getting answers that the coast is clear - he has changed the way he thinks about his marriage and his life somewhat. And I got called back to work!! Hard to guess EXACTLY what the Yi is saying, but I had this one figured out after that incident and had to use the same logic with him a few more times. It could have also meant that if I had taken a job before then, I might have missed throwing about his job and the results would have been another year or more of estrangement.
Same hexagram I got repeatedly!!!! Maybe the conflict is something else though...in my case I was also facing a difficult situation with my husband, who IS employed but hates his job and is actively looking for another. The only problem with that is that for the last six years every change in job has brought some heavy new romantic interest, to the point where I was thinking I had no patience for it anymore. Even though he doesn't actually have affairs, he becomes so distracted by these women that he treats me like a stranger. Just this year I have finally seen some dramatic improvement and the man I used to love has appeared again - I'd almost forgotton what he was like!!! So I am hesitant to have him move on again and repeat the cycle.
So in my case the problem was to gently convince him of the value of our relationship and the destruction he causes by these other fantasies. And to throw the I Ching every time he thought there was an opportunity for a move - sometimes he has requested me to to - sometimes he has bucked at the restriction it puts on him...but I think he has finally realized that what the I Ching says about him is true. (He would never admit this to me, however.) The last interview he had (in August) I warned him he shouldn't take the job because 5 - 31 and 51 - 31 were certainly not good indicators. Sure enough, he went on the interview, the woman and he struck it off famously, she spent hours telling him her life story and he came back and acted like a teenage idiot for about 3 days. Then she called and offered him the job and he by then realized from my looking at him like he wasn't fooling anyone (is there an icon for that) that he would be in deep trouble if he was working around this woman every day. He refused it. (Unfortunately it meant a rather big salary increase).
So I guess the "conflict" I was supposed to "disperse" was the conflict of him working in another situation where this would happen. Now I am getting answers that the coast is clear - he has changed the way he thinks about his marriage and his life somewhat. And I got called back to work!! Hard to guess EXACTLY what the Yi is saying, but I had this one figured out after that incident and had to use the same logic with him a few more times. It could have also meant that if I had taken a job before then, I might have missed throwing about his job and the results would have been another year or more of estrangement.
Good Grief Pam, you must have the patience of a Saint - still at least you say hes improving. Strange that you had 6,4 aswell during your 'wealth' crisis. Yi and me have got some more talking to do. S/he has been very patient with me lately, giving me the same answers over and over. I can imagine Yi rolling her eyes to heaven, sighing and saying 'oh no, not her again, if I've told her once I've told her a million times'. Hope you have a happy Xmas (I'd keep him indoors if I were you)
